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Loyd

(309 posts)
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 02:30 PM Oct 2017

Democrat Congresswoman Blames Sexual Assault On Women Who Appear Too Inviting

Source: Mediaite

by Caleb Ecarma 11:23 am, October 19th, 2017

Every few weeks a random congressional representative will stumble out of the shadows of obscurity and make national headlines by saying something outrageously sexist, racist, or otherwise offensive its a tale as old as the 1st United States Congress.

Typically, its an old GOP congressman who will say something like [Black people] hate white people because white people are successful or perhaps theyll blame a white nationalist rally on a Obama sympathizer. However, this time, the wildly offensive comment was made by a Democratic congresswoman, who blamed victims of sexual assault on the actions of women.

In an interview with NBC5, Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson of Texas weighed in on the Harvey Weinstein scandal by saying women could avoid sexual harassment if they wanted to by simply appearing less inviting.

I grew up in a time when it was as much the womans responsibility as it was a mans how you were dressed, what your behavior was, she said. Im from the old school that you can have behaviors that appear to be inviting. It can be interpreted as such.



Read more: https://www.mediaite.com/tv/democrat-congresswoman-blames-sexual-assault-on-women-who-appear-too-inviting/



I spent about 20 minutes asking myself if I should post this story; but then I realized that not posting would be precisely the thing a Republican would do. They love reporting on the screwups of our party, even making shit up out of thin air on many occasions, but when one of their own steps in it (a weekly--and in Trump's case daily!) occurrence, "Well, this is not the time to discuss ________." So damn the torpedoes! Full speed ahead!

ON EDIT: I am very much aware that the term "Democrat Party" is used as a slur by Republicans. (Remember Bob Dole talking about "Democrat Wars" in his 1976 debate with Mondale?) But, at the time I came across the story, I could find only two other websites carrying it: The Daily Caller, which is 100% right-wing, and Newsmax, which is 100% alt-right-wing. Mediaite, on the other hand, at least has some centrist writers (I'd estimate 40%).
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Democrat Congresswoman Blames Sexual Assault On Women Who Appear Too Inviting (Original Post) Loyd Oct 2017 OP
not all women are my sisters. she is definitely on that list!! niyad Oct 2017 #1
Oh hey, you actresses whose entire career is based on your looks... ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #2
Yeah, you Hollywood actresses whose livelihoods depends on being HOT.... Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #35
What's her excuse for abused children? Men? Deb Oct 2017 #3
Adults have argued in court that young children seduced them IronLionZion Oct 2017 #14
May She Be Primaried Me. Oct 2017 #4
Yes. Fossils need to be shown the door. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2017 #19
WTF JHan Oct 2017 #5
.... internalized misogyny ftl arithia Oct 2017 #6
I totally agree: yagotme Oct 2017 #36
Indeed, Mayim Bialik said something very similar IronLionZion Oct 2017 #7
People ripped her a new one too n/t TexasBushwhacker Oct 2017 #43
You know, I've been around since the 40's. Stonepounder Oct 2017 #8
How many of us heard this growing up unil we grew up to see through this bullshit? hlthe2b Oct 2017 #9
Writing "Democrat" Congresswoman rather than marybourg Oct 2017 #10
I noticed that too Loyd Oct 2017 #17
In your defense, according to the rules you CANT alter the actual title. nt 7962 Oct 2017 #23
This is true. I didn't realize this was marybourg Oct 2017 #26
Nonetheless it was a good catch Bradshaw3 Oct 2017 #29
Thanks, 7962! Loyd Oct 2017 #40
There are people mercuryblues Oct 2017 #11
I become immediately suspicious that bias is involved when any publication uses TheDebbieDee Oct 2017 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Wednesdays Oct 2017 #13
"I grew up in a time. . . " matt819 Oct 2017 #15
In all fairness, I have to point out that your mother would have worn a hat, white gloves marybourg Oct 2017 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author csziggy Oct 2017 #45
Poor woman. My first thought was it's time for her to step down. My second one is... brush Oct 2017 #16
I stopped reading at "Democrat Congresswoman" George II Oct 2017 #18
Me too happy feet Oct 2017 #22
She grew up in the segregated South IronLionZion Oct 2017 #20
She shames the nursing profession HelenWheels Oct 2017 #21
That might be the key to her comments csziggy Oct 2017 #46
That we can be so brutal to her shows us how far we've come elias7 Oct 2017 #24
There is no law that says we need to keep hitting ourselves in the head with a hammer. Squinch Oct 2017 #25
isnt that why women are made to cover up in 3rd world countries? samnsara Oct 2017 #27
Yes, and they still get raped TexasBushwhacker Oct 2017 #44
"Democrat Congresswoman"? The use of "Democrat" in this form is a GOP slur. lagomorph777 Oct 2017 #28
For fucks sake onecaliberal Oct 2017 #30
Oh, FFS, Mediaite. It's "Democratic" or if you really wanna save chars, "Dem." n/t TygrBright Oct 2017 #31
Thanks for taking a moment to wonder about motives in posting a story like this. Judi Lynn Oct 2017 #32
Get primaried or retire Bradical79 Oct 2017 #33
If she's that unaware of the world, she needs to go. nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #37
If ONLY I'd KNOWN! All I have to do to never get assaulted, groped, propositioned, or raped... Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #38
Sigh! Once again: Marie Marie Oct 2017 #39
Fuck that ignorance. Solly Mack Oct 2017 #41
Irony. We let men who can't control themselves delisen Oct 2017 #42
Welcome to DU Pugster Oct 2017 #47

ExciteBike66

(2,445 posts)
2. Oh hey, you actresses whose entire career is based on your looks...
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 02:35 PM
Oct 2017

Just stop looking so damn hot, then men won't try to harass you!

Just like in certain countries where women are forced to cover themselves in public, since they might incite some poor innocent man to rape them?

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
35. Yeah, you Hollywood actresses whose livelihoods depends on being HOT....
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 05:43 PM
Oct 2017

stop look so HOT! We then won't rape you! OF course, we also won't give you a job, but that's another story.

IronLionZion

(45,836 posts)
14. Adults have argued in court that young children seduced them
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 02:54 PM
Oct 2017

and you don't want to know what happens to men who were abused. Suicide is quite common in that demographic.

arithia

(455 posts)
6. .... internalized misogyny ftl
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 02:46 PM
Oct 2017

I was wearing a shirt buttoned up to the collarbone, khakis and a baggy sweater when I was assaulted by my boss. I was a legal minor. Should I have been wearing a burqa? Oh wait, that doesn't prevent sexual assault either.

This is the crap we get fed our whole lives- that we are somehow willing participants in a violent crime perpetrated against us simply because we dress/act/think a certain way. Bullshit!

Sexual assault isn't about sex- it's about power and it's abuse. It's about degrading the other person, ignoring their agency as a person and reducing them to an object that is acted upon. People are not THINGS, we have a right to say no, no matter how we are dressed, no matter what time we are walking back to our cars, no matter how far intimacy has willingly progressed up until that point.

I can't even.... gaaah!

yagotme

(3,088 posts)
36. I totally agree:
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 05:44 PM
Oct 2017

"Sexual assault isn't about sex- it's about power and it's abuse."

This exactly.

IronLionZion

(45,836 posts)
7. Indeed, Mayim Bialik said something very similar
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 02:47 PM
Oct 2017

like try being a smart feminist instead of pretty and no one will sexually assault you. It's all your fault. Completely ignoring the fact that tough muscular combat-trained lesbian soldiers with buzz cuts get assaulted too.

Also elderly, overweight, disabled, etc. it's all types of women who don't look "sexy" by conventional standards and certainly did not do anything to invite it.

We all choose what to focus on.

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
8. You know, I've been around since the 40's.
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 02:48 PM
Oct 2017

I've seen any number of extremely attractive, provocatively dressed and/or scantily clothed women. And yes, I have fantasized about getting some of them into bed. However, I have never had the slightest urge harass, assault, or otherwise try and force myself onto a woman or act on those fantasies.

To blame your criminal behavior toward a woman on the woman is about as lousy an excuse as saying that your robbed a bank because they had 'all that money' and you couldn't help myself and they shouldn't have been displaying it. Men, if you can't take responsibility for your own actions, then you are a wimp, a loser, and no kind of man that I ever want to associate with!

hlthe2b

(102,875 posts)
9. How many of us heard this growing up unil we grew up to see through this bullshit?
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 02:48 PM
Oct 2017

I'm guessing some are eternally a product of environment, upbringing or ignorance...

marybourg

(12,671 posts)
10. Writing "Democrat" Congresswoman rather than
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 02:49 PM
Oct 2017

"Democratic" Congresswoman is an indication that the media being quoted is hard right wing. On DU it should be put in quotes, since it is NOT the name of the party and is considered a slur. If not a direct quote from the article, then it means that a poster is reading and listening to right-wing media, rather than mainstream media. And probably need some re-education before posting on DU.

I don't know which is the case here, but it's one or the other.

 

Loyd

(309 posts)
17. I noticed that too
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 02:58 PM
Oct 2017

And indeed, Mediate does have some right-wing writers. Actually, that's partly why I didn't edit the title.

marybourg

(12,671 posts)
26. This is true. I didn't realize this was
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 04:04 PM
Oct 2017

LBN. If it were me, I would have put either the word "Democrat" in quotes or the whole headline in quotes, but it's not fair to expect that of other people if the rules don't require it.

mercuryblues

(14,602 posts)
11. There are people
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 02:50 PM
Oct 2017

who refuse to understand. She is one of them.

No lady, in the old days women were told to shut up about it. We refuse to be quiet anymore.

 

TheDebbieDee

(11,119 posts)
12. I become immediately suspicious that bias is involved when any publication uses
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 02:53 PM
Oct 2017

Democrat Congressman or Democrat Senator as opposed to Democratic Congressman or Democratic Senator...

Response to Loyd (Original post)

matt819

(10,749 posts)
15. "I grew up in a time. . . "
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 02:55 PM
Oct 2017

Bullshit.

Okay, so Eddie Bernice there is 81. She has some 20 years on me. But I'm sorry, the "earlier time" gambit is BS.

It's BS for Harvey Weinstein and it's BS for Rep. Johnson.

I grew up in the era of miniskirts and bra burning. And I knew that however much I might have been attracted to a braless woman wearing a miniskirt, I didn't have a right to rape her, as Harvey Weinstein would have us believe was his due because of when he came of age. Bullshit. And those women had a right to dress as they wished and had an equal right not to be raped, which Rep. Johnson seems to disagree with. And you know something, as scandalous as risque apparel might have been in Rep. Johnson's youth, those same principles applied. Growing up in the 30s and 40s, my mother, however she dressed, expected that she had a right to do so without being assaulted. And my father had the good sense not to rape a woman because of how she dressed. These are basic principles of decent human behavior. And violators of these principles - and of the law - are what we call criminals, whatever era they grew up in and whatever the woman might have been wearing.



marybourg

(12,671 posts)
34. In all fairness, I have to point out that your mother would have worn a hat, white gloves
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 05:01 PM
Oct 2017

a long skirt and stockings to go out in public, even just to go shopping or to the dentist in the 30's, 40's and 50's. She would hardly have had the option to do otherwise. Nor, in all likelihood, the desire. I grew up in the most progressive city in the country and this is how women dressed, expected to dress, and expected other women - unless they were actual prostitutes- to dress.

The 60's and 70's brought about a true revolution in the way Americans thought, dressed, and thought about dressing. Most of us are happy with a change to more casual, comfortable and less restrictive - and restricting - clothing, but I certainly also understand the sister's skepticism (and she's several years older than me) about those who dress in a way that seems to some of us to be not casual, comfortable or even pleasantly androgynous, but deliberately, flauntingly, provocative.

It may be their right to do so in the current social climate, and it may look "normal" to our juniors, and mostly we elder ladies keep our mouths shut about it, but we do have our own gauge on which to measure appropriateness. But not to worry - we'll be gone soon, and the next generation will have their chance to abhor the behavior of the young.

Response to marybourg (Reply #34)

brush

(54,301 posts)
16. Poor woman. My first thought was it's time for her to step down. My second one is...
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 02:56 PM
Oct 2017

the voters will take care of that.

IronLionZion

(45,836 posts)
20. She grew up in the segregated South
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 03:06 PM
Oct 2017

and was " the first African-American Chief Psychiatric Nurse at the Dallas Veterans Administration Hospital".

Of all people, she should know that times have changed and progress comes through fighting through bullshit set up by people longing for the old ways.

I really hope she was encouraging victims to speak up and hold their abusers accountable. But I'm not so sure.

“because they are allowed to get away with it by the women.”

csziggy

(34,144 posts)
46. That might be the key to her comments
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 08:40 PM
Oct 2017

African American women, especially those who had professions, held themselves to very high standards.

In the book Hidden Figures there is a passage about this. I can't find my copy at the moment to copy the section here, but the author made a point about this.

elias7

(4,064 posts)
24. That we can be so brutal to her shows us how far we've come
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 03:34 PM
Oct 2017

It's very easier to be condescending to an idea or concept that has grown obsolete, become a provincial relic of an earlier time. I think that if you need to harshly judge those who internalized such things and are not as "evolved" as us contemporary folks, so be it. I believe that the truly evolved person, however, can appreciate that in several decades, they may find themselves in precisely the opposite position.

Squinch

(51,196 posts)
25. There is no law that says we need to keep hitting ourselves in the head with a hammer.
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 03:56 PM
Oct 2017

As the article points out, every week or two some asshole comes out of the woodwork and says something asinine. And it is usually a Republican.

When it is a completely obscure Democrat, there is no reason for us to be the ones who spread the story around and give people reasons to hate us. If articles like this were not shared on Democratic venues, they would be shared half the time (or less), and Democrats would not seem as if they were rife with assholes. Because we are not. She is an aberration. There is no reason for us to publicize her views.

This adds nothing to any conversation.

samnsara

(17,705 posts)
27. isnt that why women are made to cover up in 3rd world countries?
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 04:05 PM
Oct 2017

..shes also saying that men cant control themselves?

TexasBushwhacker

(20,318 posts)
44. Yes, and they still get raped
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 08:09 PM
Oct 2017

Then, in some cases, they are made to marry their rapist. In other cases, they are blamed and punished, even killed.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
28. "Democrat Congresswoman"? The use of "Democrat" in this form is a GOP slur.
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 04:09 PM
Oct 2017

Makes me suspicious about the source.

Judi Lynn

(160,862 posts)
32. Thanks for taking a moment to wonder about motives in posting a story like this.
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 04:17 PM
Oct 2017

I did that hours ago before coming to the conclusion this older lady undoubtedly has had life experiences which molded her beliefs and I don't want to hold her up to ridicule when there's much more important information pressing for attention.

Hating women, and hating black women is standard for Republicans hoping to find some way to make any woman with views which might generate hostility look bad.

Claiming wanting to do the "moral" thing can play out in any number of ways.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
38. If ONLY I'd KNOWN! All I have to do to never get assaulted, groped, propositioned, or raped...
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 05:45 PM
Oct 2017

is to simply wear a conservative dress, I would've done that years ago! I guess all those women before 1965 were NEVER groped or propositioned or raped. And that once I reach a certain age, all that worry is GONE FOREVER, because older women are never groped or raped, right?

Question: Do they make burkas in aqua?

Marie Marie

(9,999 posts)
39. Sigh! Once again:
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 05:48 PM
Oct 2017

Rape and sexual assault are not about sex. They are violent crimes of power and domination that happen to use sex as a weapon.

delisen

(6,065 posts)
42. Irony. We let men who can't control themselves
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 07:26 PM
Oct 2017

run the country because women are supposedly too emotional.

 

Pugster

(229 posts)
47. Welcome to DU
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 11:11 PM
Oct 2017

Usually at call them "Democratic congressmen" or democratic congresswomen".
Republicans prefer the term "Democrat" as an adjective.

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