Teen charged with killing girlfriend's parents. They had worried he was a neo-Nazi.

[mainer]

Source: Washington Post

Buckley Kuhn-Fricker was so disturbed by what she discovered about her teenage daughter’s boyfriend, she spent a tumultuous week pushing for a breakup. By Thursday, she texted a friend saying the “outspoken Neo Nazi” was out of their lives.

But just hours later, the family said the 17-year-old boyfriend shot and killed Kuhn-Fricker, 43, and her husband, Scott, 48 in their Reston, Va. home. It was around 5 a.m. Friday, while the couple’s children and relatives were inside. They had gathered to celebrate the Christmas holiday.

The teen, who then turned the gun on himself and is in critical condition at a local hospital, was charged with two counts of murder Saturday after police spent Friday investigating at the large green single family home decorated with Christmas wreaths and snowflakes. The Washington Post generally does not name juveniles charged with crimes unless they are charged as adults. The family of the teen, who is from Lorton, declined to comment.

Fairfax County police declined to offer a motive for the double slaying, but family members and friends tied it directly to the couple’s struggle to keep hate out of their home, as one friend put it. They agreed to talk about the efforts because they said it was important to expose what happened.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/teen-charged-with-killing-girlfriends-parents-they-had-worried-he-was-a-neo-nazi/2017/12/23/e2102894-e761-11e7-833f-155031558ff4_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_shooting-1250pm-nhp%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.2789d64fbcc6

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Brave, brave parents who tried to do the right thing.

Their daughter is going to grow up with a load of guilt.

[Sancho]

1. A dangerous teen had possession of a gun...

People Control, Not Gun Control

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

[BigmanPigman]

4. Well thought out!

Very reasonable and this is what the requirements and laws should be. I noticed that you didn't even mention the 2nd Amend either. I read that in Canada or Australia you need to have the spouse(s) written permission too since many gun crimes were against women by their male spouses. Since this became the law the number of crimes by male spouses (and former spouses) has dropped by over 50%.

[Sancho]

19. A really good book on the 2nd...

The Second Amendment: A Biography
by Michael Waldman

[cannabis_flower]

5. Very good..

I would like to add that simply having a marijuana possesion conviction or being a marijuana consumer should not bar you from owning a gun.

[Sancho]

23. The only "convictions" that would affect a gun license are ones where you are dangerous.

Restraining orders, violent crimes, or whatever.

My view is that possession and use of guns require some rational gate keeping to prevent obviously dangerous people from easily obtaining guns.

[cannabis_flower]

28. Well the current background check..

for buying a gun includes these words...

Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?
Warning: The use or possession of marijuana remains unlawful under Federal law regardless of whether it has been legalized or
decriminalized for medicinal or recreational purposes in the state where you reside.

[Sancho]

32. I didn't know that...but the current "background checks" don't seem to be effective.

Of course, more states are making marijuana legal too.

[alphafemale]

39. There is no actual check on that though.

And a check would be easy

Your credit can be run in a few seconds when you buy a cell phone.

[alphafemale]

43. There is no actual check on that though.

And a check would be easy

Your credit can be run in a few seconds when you buy a cell phone.

[Ligyron]

7. Seems reasonable.

[jmowreader]

15. The test needs to include a practical examination, with a minimum proficiency

We don't let people go out on the road unless they prove they can drive. We shouldn't let them have a gun unless they can shoot.

Have them fire the Army qualification test for the kind of gun they want to use; they can't receive a gun license unless they pass.

[Sancho]

20. Training should be required..

and proficiency.

[Ilsa]

18. Well done!

[DeminPennswoods]

25. Mandatory insurance is an excellent idea

If you are a careless gun-owner, insurance premiums will be very high. I'd add to get a license, you have to show proof of insurance first, just like you do when buying a car or a house.

[TexasBushwhacker]

26. Insurance would not cover illegal acts

So I don't really see the point of it.

[DeminPennswoods]

33. Just having to have/produce insurance is

sometimes a deterrent in and of itself.

[hack89]

36. It would be so cheap as to have little to no deterrent value.

The risk pool would be so large and the number of payouts very small. It is already dirt cheap - it will only get cheaper.

[DeminPennswoods]

37. You really wouldn't know until the actuaries

weigh in on the risks or what the licensing requirements are.

[hack89]

38. They already have

there is a reason when you get home owners insurance they ask you about dogs and swimming pools but not guns.

You can already get liability insurance for guns. It is cheap for a reason.

[LanternWaste]

40. 14,000-19,000 nonfatal injuries stemming from accidental shootings per year in the U.S

"I don't really see the point of it..."

14,000-19,000 nonfatal injuries stemming from accidental shootings per year in the U.S. That's merely one of many points.

Kinda like what auto insurance does, Professor.

[hack89]

35. It would make the NRA a fortune

they would do an AARP and go into the insurance business. They would then offer huge discounts for members thereby increasing their membership (with dues) by a huge amount.

Do you really want a larger, richer, more powerful NRA?

[underthematrix]

2. This is sad but it's a story we all need to follow to

understand how the daughter could've wound up with someone so despicable.

[Orrex]

24. Not quite sure what you're proposing there

It sounds like you're suggesting some kind of troubled upbringing, in effect blaming the murdered parents.

Is that your intent?

[underthematrix]

27. NO. NO. NO. I was thinking something along the lines

of the cults that sprung during the sixties and manipulated young people into joining them. The family seems normal.

[Orrex]

30. Ah. The mistake was mine. Thanks for clarifying!

In that light, your question is very reasonable, and worth exploring.

[liberalhistorian]

42. I wouldn't be surprised if the daughter was in on it

herself. She was falling more and more under the sway of her skinhead boyfriend's bullshit, and refused to comply with her parents' insistence that he not be allowed around her and them. She snuck him into the house at five in the morning, knowing full well what her parents thought and that he wasn't permitted there. She bears culpability in this as well, and I hope she's satisfied now at having helped destroy her own family. Too bad she can't be charged as an accessory.

[csziggy]

3. That poor girl - the Nazi shot her parents and himself in front her

From the link in the OP:

The parents discovered the boyfriend in their daughter's bedroom, according to the detective's account.

Scott Fricker yelled at the boyfriend to get out of the house and to never return, Janet Kuhn said the detective told her. At that point, the boyfriend pulled out a gun and shot both parents, the detective told Janet Kuhn.

The boyfriend then shot himself in the head, Janet Kuhn said.

[Aristus]

6. As usual, the gun-fuck gets the target-order wrong:

Shoot yourself first, and then your targets...

[Judi Lynn]

8. Parents killed in Reston, Va. triple shooting

Peggy Fox and Murugi Thande, WUSA 7:46 AM. EST December 23, 2017



RESTON, VA. (WUSA9) - A husband and wife were killed in their Reston home Friday morning.

Buckley Kuhn-Fricker, 43, and her husband 48-year-old Scott Fricker died of gunshot wounds, according to Fairfax County Police.

Another person was also shot and is in critical condition.

Neighbors describe a gut-wrenching scene in front of the home on Black Fir Court at around 5:30 a.m. Friday. A nine-year-old boy was screaming; his parents had been killed.

Four months ago, the Fricker family moved from a smaller home in Reston into the bigger one on Black Fir Court. They had two children a 16-year-old girl and a nine-year-old boy.

More:
http://www.wusa9.com/news/local/reston/police-two-people-dead-after-triple-shooting-in-reston-va/501754757

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The Mid-Atlantic GCM Blog
Member Spotlight: Buckley Fricker
August 7th, 2015
picture of Buckely's bookBuckley Fricker Buckleys for Seniors

Foreword by JoAnn Ellenberger:

I received an excited email from Denise Valerio who wanted the Public Relations Committee to Highlight Buckley Fricker in our newsletter because she had just published her book. I asked Buckley to write her article about her book and send a picture. I decided to read up on the book and then bought it. It has been a great help to me as a reference manual and a fantastic tool for my clients. I would recommend any of our aging information specialists to purchase Buckley’s book and use it. I am glad I did!

Article by Buckley Fricker:
My intent with publishing “Elder Care: The Road To Growing Old Is Not Paved” was to address the double-whammy facing baby boomers: preparing for their own retirement while simultaneously caring for elderly loved ones.

I taught a course for a few years at our local community college. I had created the course to translate vital retirement planning and care options for the elderly into “plain English.”

I realized that each geriatric care case has a start point of relevant factors dating way back, such as what age (and therefore amount) a client decided to take Social Security, did they choose traditional Medicare, or an advantage program? Did they fail to sign up for Medigap in time? Did they buy a long-term care insurance policy? Did they assign some one to be their power of attorney before a stroke or dementia hit or did they leave the door open to family arguments or court guardianship . . . ?

More:
http://www.midatlanticgcm.org/2015/08/07/member-spotlight-buckley-fricker/

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Buckley Fricker, attorney, certified geriatric care manager, author and speaker:



Buckley Anne Kuhn Fricker, JD, CMC

Attorney licensed in the District of Columbia with a background in Estate Planning and Elder Law

Author of "Elder Care: The Road To Growing Old Is Not Paved" available on amazon.com

Member of the National Association of Professional Geriatric Care Managers

Certified Care Manager with the National Academy of Certified Care Managers

Small business owner of Buckley's for Seniors LLC providing unique premium companion services to Seniors in the DC area since 2005.

Speaker on Elder Care Issues focusing on Financial, Legal and Care Options from Retirement through end-of-life care, see www.buckleyfricker.com

Notary available for in-home notary services

Her experience in working with the elderly and disabled has given her a great understanding of the day-to-day difficulties and challenges they face. Buckley formed Buckley's for Seniors, LLC to help those clients and their caregivers to meet those challenges.

More:
http://www.buckleys4seniors.com/buckley/

[Ferrets are Cool]

12. My DISGUST for this hate filled act knows no words. nm

[FirstLight]

9. wow...just wow

THIS is how HATE just creeps in to a "normal" family and wreaks havoc... so fucking sad!The BF was obviously working on brainwashing/indoctrinating the GF...

ugh...

My teens and I have ALL said in one way or another in the last 2 -3 days "How is it that the world have devolved into good/evil?"
Seriously, the freaking polarity is just crazy on ALL levels! People are going fucking nuts!

I chalk it up to a society in the final throes of decline/demise. We are *SO* close to some kind of breaking point and SHTF it's scary. I told my Sophomore she might graduate into a VERY different world in a few years...

[iluvtennis]

10. This is very sad. Parents doing the right thing to get this Nazi out of their lives are killed.

[edbermac]

11. A load of guilt for the daughter?

“she spent a tumultuous week pushing for a breakup”

Took mom a week to try to convince her to stop dating an outspoken Neo-Nazi??

She sounds as wacko as her boyfriend.

[Blue_Tires]

22. I dunno... There is an age for a lot of girls

where they literally try to date the boy who will shock/outrage their parents the most...

[LanternWaste]

41. Riiiight.... because only "wacko" teens date people their parents disapprove of.

Riiiight.... because only "wacko" teens date people their parents disapprove of.

Good christ.

[Ferrets are Cool]

13. Oh, and I'm sure there will be "thoughts and prayers" from

the sickophants of the NRA. (yes, it was misspelled on purpose)

[Initech]

14. Scary how much hate has consumed our youth.

These people are barely old enough to vote, and they're that consumed with hatred. Imagine what they will be like when they're old enough to run for office. This is going to get scary.

[Oneironaut]

16. Seems like Neo-Nazi ideology is trendy with teenagers now.

It’s sucking them in with flashy memes, a sense of belonging, and social media. There is very little difference between the alt-right and Nazi ideology.

[EarthFirst]

17. The alt-right IS a Nazi/Nationalist ideology...

They simply re-branded it with the help of Bannon, Miller, Milo et. al with complete complicity of the MSM.

The “alt-right” re-branding is just as dangerous as the ideology that it supports!

[Blue_Tires]

21. I predict we're going to get a lot more of these

Since Trump himself said Nazis were "very fine people"

[Bengus81]

29. Guarantee that puke was in Charlottesville with his Nazi brothers.....

The same ones Trump had nothing to say except how fine of people they are.

[Cold War Spook]

31. Why is he in a hospital?

Do they really have to save his life so the taxpayers foot the bill for the rest of his life? He wanted to commit suicide so let him.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

34. Trump's base