Fri Dec 29, 2017, 05:55 PM
Saviolo (2,919 posts)
Russian tankers fueled North Korea via transfers at sea
Source: CNBC
Russian tankers have supplied fuel to North Korea on at least three occasions in recent months by transferring cargoes at sea, according to two senior Western European security sources, providing an economic lifeline to the secretive Communist state. The sales of oil or oil products from Russia, the world's second biggest oil exporter and a veto-wielding member of the United Nations Security Council, breach U.N. sanctions, the security sources said. The transfers in October and November indicate that smuggling from Russia to North Korea has evolved to loading cargoes at sea since Reuters reported in September that North Korean ships were sailing directly from Russia to their homeland. "There is no evidence that this is backed by the Russian state, but these Russian vessels are giving a lifeline to the North Koreans," the second European security source said. Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/29/russian-tankers-fueled-north-korea-via-transfers-at-sea-reuters.html Putin is just moving chess pieces around the board, and Trump still thinks he's winning at checkers while chewing on tiddlywinks.
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Saviolo | Dec 2017 | OP |
Snarkoleptic | Dec 2017 | #1 | |
Rollo | Dec 2017 | #14 | |
Eliot Rosewater | Dec 2017 | #2 | |
Saviolo | Dec 2017 | #3 | |
Eliot Rosewater | Dec 2017 | #4 | |
Saviolo | Dec 2017 | #5 | |
Irish_Dem | Jan 2018 | #32 | |
Eliot Rosewater | Jan 2018 | #33 | |
Irish_Dem | Jan 2018 | #34 | |
Eliot Rosewater | Jan 2018 | #35 | |
Irish_Dem | Jan 2018 | #36 | |
Eliot Rosewater | Jan 2018 | #37 | |
Irish_Dem | Jan 2018 | #40 | |
Eliot Rosewater | Jan 2018 | #29 | |
Saviolo | Jan 2018 | #30 | |
Eliot Rosewater | Jan 2018 | #31 | |
Irish_Dem | Jan 2018 | #27 | |
UpInArms | Dec 2017 | #6 | |
bronxiteforever | Dec 2017 | #7 | |
Irish_Dem | Jan 2018 | #28 | |
bluestarone | Dec 2017 | #8 | |
former9thward | Jan 2018 | #20 | |
bluestarone | Jan 2018 | #21 | |
former9thward | Jan 2018 | #22 | |
bluestarone | Jan 2018 | #23 | |
RKP5637 | Jan 2018 | #26 | |
Eliot Rosewater | Jan 2018 | #38 | |
Sneederbunk | Dec 2017 | #9 | |
jpak | Dec 2017 | #10 | |
Eliot Rosewater | Jan 2018 | #39 | |
Turbineguy | Dec 2017 | #11 | |
keithbvadu2 | Dec 2017 | #12 | |
dchill | Jan 2018 | #18 | |
dalton99a | Dec 2017 | #13 | |
duforsure | Dec 2017 | #15 | |
SkatmanRoth | Dec 2017 | #16 | |
Turbineguy | Dec 2017 | #17 | |
keithbvadu2 | Jan 2018 | #19 | |
ck4829 | Jan 2018 | #25 | |
ck4829 | Jan 2018 | #24 |
Response to Saviolo (Original post)
Fri Dec 29, 2017, 05:56 PM
Snarkoleptic (5,616 posts)
1. Putin owns Trump and is unafraid to let it show.
We are screwed.
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Response to Snarkoleptic (Reply #1)
Sat Dec 30, 2017, 12:45 AM
Rollo (2,410 posts)
14. Well, at least there's an adult in charge of the White House Presidential Day Care Center...
Response to Saviolo (Original post)
Fri Dec 29, 2017, 05:57 PM
Eliot Rosewater (26,828 posts)
2. In one way it is good trump is putins lapdog, if trump thought he could BEST putin somehow
the results would be disastrous.
Trump really does have the mind, always has, of a 9 yr old child. Putin is a murderer, thief and dictator, but he is not an idiot. |
Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #2)
Fri Dec 29, 2017, 05:58 PM
Saviolo (2,919 posts)
3. No, he is not an idiot.
You don't rise through the ranks as he did by being stupid. He's shrewd and cunning, and that makes him all the more terrifyingly dangerous. Not that it's all that hard, but he's thinking many steps ahead of Trump at all times.
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Response to Saviolo (Reply #3)
Fri Dec 29, 2017, 06:00 PM
Eliot Rosewater (26,828 posts)
4. his political opponent is no more in Russia, putin just made it illegal to have opponents
He murders anyone who gets in his way.
Anyone |
Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #4)
Fri Dec 29, 2017, 06:01 PM
Saviolo (2,919 posts)
5. I should have added "ruthless"
Ruthless, shrewd, cunning, power-hungry. Deadly combination. He's already accomplished so much of his goal of destabilizing NATO and the UN.
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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #4)
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 06:42 PM
Irish_Dem (9,119 posts)
32. Do you think Putin would start murdering American politicians who turn on him?
Which they may do as Mueller targets Congress?
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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #32)
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 06:45 PM
Eliot Rosewater (26,828 posts)
33. No, not now. He doesnt have enough control, enough muscle on the ground here to
do that and not take shit for it.
He has stolen 200 billion from his country-persons, he wants to spend that and cant at least not easily. He also wants to destroy our democracy, has since he was a kid, the same way Ryan wants to destroy, kill by preventing them from having food and medicine the poor and minorities. This brings back to my mind my FURY when I would see people compare our candidate to this PIECE OF SHIT. Putin was scared to DEATH of Hillary, for good reason. |
Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #33)
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 06:50 PM
Irish_Dem (9,119 posts)
34. Yes I thought too that he could not pull it off now due to the points you raise.
Yes I think it would be a PR disaster for him as well.
Certainly Putin has stolen more that $200B from his country, I have read he drained the economy and is worth $600 Billion. Yes there is a reason he hates Hillary, she and Obama had his number and called him on his crap. I wonder what he thought Hillary would do to him that scared him so much? More sanctions and loss of some of his personal wealth? An alliance with Europe to stop Putin's meddling in elections? |
Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #34)
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 06:54 PM
Eliot Rosewater (26,828 posts)
35. Yeah, way more I am sure. He knew she would make his life miserable and that
she would call him out for what he is, murderous dictator.
Any American who supports trump is actively helping a traitor sell us out, I no longer want anything to do with them. |
Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #35)
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 06:56 PM
Irish_Dem (9,119 posts)
36. We are looking at a corrupt US government selling out the country for power and money.
And it remains to be seen how the story will end.
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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #36)
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 06:58 PM
Eliot Rosewater (26,828 posts)
37. But it isnt the US government, it is Trump and the GOP...we still have great
people in our government.
The average GOP voter has this life that government made possible for them but they dont realize that is why. So they buy into the nonsense that Reagan started, and his ignorance and hatred of government was like a virus. You and I and all trump supporters will pay a price so high for their stupidity that I cant even imagine. |
Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #37)
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 07:05 PM
Irish_Dem (9,119 posts)
40. Trump and the GOP congress represent the power structure of this country now.
And they sold us out to Putin.
American standard of living is due to policies put into place by the US government. And yes, an intense propoganda machine has convinced the populace that the government is their enemy. I can imagine some of the out come of all of this. America loses its world standing as a superpower. American standard of living drops significantly. It will take some time to restore America's institutions that Trump has decimated. Some of the damage will be permanent. |
Response to Saviolo (Reply #3)
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 06:34 PM
Eliot Rosewater (26,828 posts)
29. Trump is shrewd?
Oh no, not at all.
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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #29)
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 06:39 PM
Saviolo (2,919 posts)
30. Not at all! Putin is shrewd!
Trump is propped up by his intellectual superiors hoping that by feeding him flattery they'll be able to create a deeply right wing judiciary for the next generation.
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Response to Saviolo (Reply #30)
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 06:40 PM
Eliot Rosewater (26,828 posts)
31. I figured I was misreading. No, Putin is not dumb at all, he ran the god damn KGB
or was at the top.
Putin has stolen 200 billion dollars from people like you and me in Russia. He is going to steal your house, my house, your neighbors house, etc if we dont stop them now. |
Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #2)
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 06:32 PM
Irish_Dem (9,119 posts)
27. Putin is evil/genius and Trump is evil/stupid.
I am not sure which is worse.
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Response to Saviolo (Original post)
Fri Dec 29, 2017, 06:03 PM
UpInArms (48,627 posts)
6. But, were they caught
RED HANDED?
I am just so sick of this ... meaning all of this crap ... we are so screwed as a country 🤦♂️ |
Response to Saviolo (Original post)
Fri Dec 29, 2017, 06:32 PM
bronxiteforever (7,070 posts)
7. Holy Crap! China and Russia are just toying with us.
China cut its corporate tax to zero and Russia fuels North Korea.
We are hopelessly outmatched with drumpf as Potus. You can’t make this sh*t up. ![]() |
Response to bronxiteforever (Reply #7)
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 06:34 PM
Irish_Dem (9,119 posts)
28. I think so too. Soviet-China alliance playing Trump. nt
Response to Saviolo (Original post)
Fri Dec 29, 2017, 06:32 PM
bluestarone (11,241 posts)
8. and what will our greatRepubs in congress do???
NOTHING!!!!!!!
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Response to bluestarone (Reply #8)
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 10:00 AM
former9thward (23,380 posts)
20. What would you have the U.S. do?
Sink Russian ships? Sink N Korean ships? Attack Russia and China, both of which are violating UN sanctions? What would you have the U.S. do?
NK is not going to respond to sanctions. They never have and never will. They have violated any agreement they have ever made with the U.S. Russia and China have always defied UN sanctions on NK. So we either attack NK and deal with the problem in that way or we do pretty much nothing. Doing pretty much nothing is what the last few administrations have done and I suspect the current administration will do. |
Response to former9thward (Reply #20)
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 01:42 PM
bluestarone (11,241 posts)
21. oh i dion't know maybe
SANCTION RUSSIA YOU THINK??? Come on what the hell you talking about? Congress needs to force tRump on the RUSSIAN SANCTIONS!! Don't make it sound like WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING!!!
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Response to bluestarone (Reply #21)
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 02:01 PM
former9thward (23,380 posts)
22. Have you forgotten we already have multiple sanctions against Russia?
Concerning Ukraine. Has that changed Russian behavior one particle? Nope, it hasn't.
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Response to former9thward (Reply #22)
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 02:04 PM
bluestarone (11,241 posts)
23. and what did tRump do with it????
NOTHING and what did Repubs do about it? NOTHING end of story
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Response to bluestarone (Reply #23)
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 06:31 PM
RKP5637 (60,405 posts)
26. Yep, ... except kick the can down the road. Kim continues to get everything
he wants. Trump and the GOP don't know WTF to do. And all Trump does is bellow and bully on his tweets like an asshole.
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Response to former9thward (Reply #22)
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 06:59 PM
Eliot Rosewater (26,828 posts)
38. Which sanctions have been enforced?
Response to Saviolo (Original post)
Fri Dec 29, 2017, 06:44 PM
Sneederbunk (8,125 posts)
9. Tell NK all is forgiven if it can get us the PeePee tapes.
Response to Saviolo (Original post)
Fri Dec 29, 2017, 06:44 PM
jpak (39,615 posts)
10. We begin bombing in 5 minutes
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Response to jpak (Reply #10)
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 07:00 PM
Eliot Rosewater (26,828 posts)
39. There he is, borderline IQ, probably around 90 or so, what would be below normal?
And he convinced so many of us to go out and work against ourselves, amazing.
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Response to Saviolo (Original post)
Fri Dec 29, 2017, 07:09 PM
Turbineguy (31,955 posts)
11. I smell a set-up here.
Trump must have had access to this info, but did nothing because it was Russia.
Ironically, if Trump had done something it would have served him better. So who owned the Russian ships? An Old Friend of Putin perhaps? |
Response to Saviolo (Original post)
Fri Dec 29, 2017, 09:01 PM
keithbvadu2 (19,264 posts)
12. Didn't Dotard claim they were Chinese ships?
Didn't Dotard claim they were Chinese ships?
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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #12)
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 01:39 AM
dchill (26,283 posts)
18. Actually, they're owned by a ...
400-pounder sitting in his mother's basement.
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Response to Saviolo (Original post)
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Response to Saviolo (Original post)
Sat Dec 30, 2017, 02:41 AM
duforsure (10,838 posts)
15. Oil
Shows what side Russia and China are going to be on if a war breaks out over NK, and Iran. But he only attacks China for it ? Another sign Putin has him compromised, and worried. We're really going to be screwed with him in charge.
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Response to Saviolo (Original post)
Sat Dec 30, 2017, 07:05 AM
SkatmanRoth (843 posts)
16. Trump and Putin conspire to keep the conflict going
The conflict continues to escalate to open warfare making Trump a "War Time President", keeps Putin as the "Strong Leader of Russia", and keeps the gravy train rolling for Lockheed Martin and Boeing.
Profits from defense spending are at an all time high! |
Response to Saviolo (Original post)
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 10:40 PM
Turbineguy (31,955 posts)
17. One of the things that happens on Russian ships
is that the captain and crew run their own trading operations on the side to compensate for the dogshit wages. This may very well be part of that, which means that the government as well as the ship owner was not involved.
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Response to Turbineguy (Reply #17)
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 09:14 AM
keithbvadu2 (19,264 posts)
19. Plausible deniability
Plausible deniability
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