Long Branch shooting: 16-year-old boy suspected of New Years Eve murder of family
Source: NBC News
A 16-year-old New Jersey boy is suspected of fatally shooting his parents, teenage sister and a family friend with a semi-automatic rifle shortly before midnight on New Year's Eve, police said.
Police responded to a call of shots fired inside a Long Branch home just 17 minutes before the east coast rang in New Year's Day. At the residence they found parents Steven Kologi, 44 and Linda Kologi, 42, their daughter Brittany, 18, and family friend Mary Schultz, 70, dead.
The unidentified shooter is believed to have used a Century Arms semi-automatic rifle to kill his family members and Schultz, the Monmouth County Prosecutor's Office said. He was arrested without incident, according to a press release.
On Monday morning, Monmouth County Prosecutor Chris Gramiccioni called the situation an unfortunate scenario.
Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/long-branch-shooting-16-year-old-boy-suspected-new-year-n833821
How does a 16 year old autistic kid get his hands on a $700 semi-automatic rifle?
lisa58
(5,755 posts)How do you know what kind of firearm he used?
This happened blocks from
My home - this has not been reported
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)lisa58
(5,755 posts)marylandblue
(12,344 posts)lisa58
(5,755 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)A gun in the home triples the risk of homicide, even when there isn't an autistic teen around.
ClarendonDem
(720 posts)And even if you have evidence, does the study control for homes where the gun owner is a felon and shouldn't have a gun, as compared to someone who is legally permitted to own a gun? Regarding assault rifles, what evidence is there that owning an assault rifle, instead of a pistol, triples the risk of homicides?
Squinch
(50,949 posts)"Show me evidence, but even if you do, I won't believe it!"
Sigh.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)I can see that you would not believe any evidence I did provide you, since you are obviously ignoring what is right in front of your eyes.
All countries have autistic kids. All countries have felons and criminals. But no developed ountry has the per capita number of gun deaths we do. Nor does any country have the per capita number of guns that we do. That is not a coincidence.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countries/
irisblue
(32,971 posts)really not much you want there.
pazzyanne
(6,551 posts)I come from a hunting family. Assault rifles are not used for hunting. Family gun owners also own gun safes which are locked and the key is carried by the most senior hunter in the family. Even then accidents can happen. Also, an assault rifle increases the number of potential victims. No one needs an assault rifle for hunting or for "protecting" their family in my opinion, and I am not anti-gun.
former9thward
(31,997 posts)I know many hunters and they all use semi-automatic rifles. They are used for hunting, more than bolt action or anything else.
TomCADem
(17,387 posts)I would think that the body count is evidence, but I guess that we should ignore that?
iluvtennis
(19,852 posts)marylandblue
(12,344 posts)I'm sure it was another responsible gun owner who kept his guns securely locked in a safe and never allowed children or the mentally ill to touch them.
ClarendonDem
(720 posts)Have to do with this crime?
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)Trust me on this one. I have personal experience.
ClarendonDem
(720 posts)But that didn't really answer my question. I'd argue that the Bill of Rights protect all Americans.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)ClarendonDem
(720 posts)The Bill of Rights applies to Americans with a mental illness?
Squinch
(50,949 posts)marylandblue
(12,344 posts)jmowreader
(50,557 posts)If they're flagged, it'll show up close to the top of the page.
Igel
(35,300 posts)It says of his account status, "Flagged for Review."
https://www.democraticunderground.com/125610242 adds that too many hidden posts in a short period of time can trigger that.
As for why he can post when he's flagged, it might just be a temporal thing: His posting status is updated constantly, so the profile link is live; but that link can be attached to posts made before he was flagged.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)As it doesn't apply to many other situations. But of course, there is never a good time to talk about the right not to be shot. Apparently the founding fathers forget to put that one in the Bill of Rights, so it's just the price of freedom, I guess.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,013 posts)Squinch
(50,949 posts)of innocent people.
ClarendonDem
(720 posts)My question. What hobby of mine allows the "deaths of thousands"? Question for you - do you think the gun or the person pulling the trigger is responsible for the murder?
Squinch
(50,949 posts)Look up the "gun nut bingo" game. We've all seen all of this before.
RKP5637
(67,107 posts)crim son
(27,464 posts)If it's all you've got then maybe you haven't got anything at all.
hunter
(38,311 posts)... just like Constitutionally sanctioned slavery did in the nineteenth century.
Your gun fuckery does NOTHING, NOTHING AT ALL in defense of MY civil rights.
All it does is get a lot of innocent people killed.
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)Add that to the list
Sancho
(9,067 posts)This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that werent secured are out of control in our society. As such, heres what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. Im not debating the legal language, I just think its the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because its clear that they should never have had a gun.
1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learners license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.
Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a drivers license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.
For those who want to argue legality, please reference: The Second Amendment: A Biography by Michael Waldman
At a time of increasing gun violence in America, Waldmans book provoked a wide range of discussion. This book looks at history to provide some surprising, illuminating answers.
The Amendment was written to calm public fear that the new national government would crush the state militias made up of all (white) adult menwho were required to own a gun to serve. Waldman recounts the raucous public debate that has surrounded the amendment from its inception to the present. As the country spread to the Western frontier, violence spread too. But through it all, gun control was abundant. In the twentieth century, with Prohibition and gangsterism, the first federal control laws were passed. In all four separate times the Supreme Court ruled against a constitutional right to own a gun.
The present debate picked up in the 1970spart of a backlash to the liberal 1960s and a resurgence of libertarianism. A newly radicalized NRA entered the campaign to oppose gun control and elevate the status of an obscure constitutional provision. In 2008, in a case that reached the Court after a focused drive by conservative lawyers, the US Supreme Court ruled for the first time that the Constitution protects an individual right to gun ownership. Famous for his theory of originalism, Justice Antonin Scalia twisted it in this instance to base his argument on contemporary conditions.
In The Second Amendment: A Biography, Michael Waldman shows that our view of the amendment is set, at each stage, not by a pristine constitutional text, but by the push and pull, the rough and tumble of political advocacy and public agitation.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)It assured the states they could maintain "well regulated militias." That is now an anachronism. Indeed, it became a pointless amendment soon after it was enacted. We have always had a standing army and always will, despite our founding fathers' fear of such an entity.
hack89
(39,171 posts)They were added as amendments to ensure The government did not take away unalienable rights.
Don't they teach civics anymore?
The Democratic party platform says that the 2A protects an individual right not connected to militia service. Bernie, HRC, and President Obama all believe thst.
GeorgeGist
(25,320 posts)Because none of them understand the Constitution.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Don't they teach civics anymore?"
It was given up about the same time as petulant responses become trendy and popular among the common and base.
(six of one, half a dozen of the other... and each as petulant as the other. Bless your little heart.
hack89
(39,171 posts)crim son
(27,464 posts)Until we get children to understand and abide by the rules, we keep them away from dangerous objects.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)raccoon
(31,110 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)The brother said the parents are good parents. Teens have emotional issues quite often. It's a trying time. Having a semi-automatic rifle around when you have a teen (esp a male, since most of the shootings occur by males) seems foolish to me.
He knew how to shoot it, so someone gave him experience at it.
I believe there are 2 different kinds of people in the world. People who blame themselves for their unhappiness, and take it out on themselves. These are the teens in danger of suicide. Then there are those who take their problems out on others. These are the teens in danger of killing others.
How sad. So horrible. I wouldn't be surprised if the boy does drugs.
maxsolomon
(33,327 posts)Have you ever taken drugs recreationally? I have. None of them made me want to kill my family.