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TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 07:05 PM Jan 2018

Long Branch shooting: 16-year-old boy suspected of New Years Eve murder of family

Source: NBC News

A 16-year-old New Jersey boy is suspected of fatally shooting his parents, teenage sister and a family friend with a semi-automatic rifle shortly before midnight on New Year's Eve, police said.

Police responded to a call of shots fired inside a Long Branch home just 17 minutes before the east coast rang in New Year's Day. At the residence they found parents Steven Kologi, 44 and Linda Kologi, 42, their daughter Brittany, 18, and family friend Mary Schultz, 70, dead.

The unidentified shooter is believed to have used a Century Arms semi-automatic rifle to kill his family members and Schultz, the Monmouth County Prosecutor's Office said. He was arrested without incident, according to a press release.

On Monday morning, Monmouth County Prosecutor Chris Gramiccioni called the situation an “unfortunate scenario.”

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/long-branch-shooting-16-year-old-boy-suspected-new-year-n833821



How does a 16 year old autistic kid get his hands on a $700 semi-automatic rifle?
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Long Branch shooting: 16-year-old boy suspected of New Years Eve murder of family (Original Post) TomCADem Jan 2018 OP
How do you know he's autistic? lisa58 Jan 2018 #1
It's in the linked news report marylandblue Jan 2018 #4
Autism? Don't see it reported lisa58 Jan 2018 #5
Sorry, read it elsewhere, here's the link marylandblue Jan 2018 #8
Thanks - this is heartbreaking lisa58 Jan 2018 #14
K&R for exposure of gun insanity. Why does any family need to have an assault rifle? SunSeeker Jan 2018 #2
Evidence? ClarendonDem Jan 2018 #6
SMH. Every fucking time. Squinch Jan 2018 #11
Right? SunSeeker Jan 2018 #18
I said a GUN in the home triples the risk of homicide. Not just ARs. SunSeeker Jan 2018 #24
Are you seriously asking for a study based on that criteria? irisblue Jan 2018 #28
Evidence? pazzyanne Jan 2018 #38
I don't know what kind of "hunting family" you come from. former9thward Jan 2018 #43
Evidence? Gun owned by family member used to kill family... TomCADem Jan 2018 #39
+++ Agree. THERE IS NO NEED FOR ANYONE OTHER THAN MILITARY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT to have assault rifle iluvtennis Jan 2018 #25
Article says a family member owned the gun marylandblue Jan 2018 #3
What does allowing someone to touch the firearm ClarendonDem Jan 2018 #7
Mental illness and guns don't mix. marylandblue Jan 2018 #9
Sure ClarendonDem Jan 2018 #10
It didn't protect this family marylandblue Jan 2018 #12
So you don't think ClarendonDem Jan 2018 #16
How are you posting when you're flagged for review? Or did that just happen? Squinch Jan 2018 #19
How do you know someone is flagged? marylandblue Jan 2018 #34
Click on their account name, then click the Profile button jmowreader Jan 2018 #36
Click on the profile tab. Igel Jan 2018 #37
I don't think your interpretation of the Bill of Rights applies to this situation marylandblue Jan 2018 #23
Bye bye... FailureToCommunicate Jan 2018 #30
Don't worry. Your hobby will continue to be allowed to senselessly cause deaths of thousands Squinch Jan 2018 #13
That also didn't answer ClarendonDem Jan 2018 #15
Bla bla bla, canned talking point, canned talking point, canned talking point. Squinch Jan 2018 #17
Yep, SOS comming around again, "gun nut bingo" game. n/t RKP5637 Jan 2018 #27
When it comes to guns, that's questionable. crim son Jan 2018 #29
Here in the 21st century the second ammendment blows chunks... hunter Jan 2018 #33
Neither do guns and toxic masculinity rusty fender Jan 2018 #45
People Control, Not Gun Control Sancho Jan 2018 #20
Yep. The Second Amendment was put in to avert the need for a standing army in peacetime. SunSeeker Jan 2018 #26
No. The Bill of Rights are all individual rights hack89 Jan 2018 #35
That's just pandering to the stupid. GeorgeGist Jan 2018 #42
Right. hack89 Jan 2018 #47
It was given up about the same time as petulant responses become trendy and popular among the commo LanternWaste Jan 2018 #46
That's nice. nt hack89 Jan 2018 #48
Yep, well. crim son Jan 2018 #31
I will never understand families who indulge their fucked up sons with guns Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2018 #21
Reminds me of when Ronnie deFeo killed his family. Nt raccoon Jan 2018 #22
Horrible. What could possibly have lead him to do such a thing? Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #32
What drugs do you suspect is responsible for mass shooting? maxsolomon Jan 2018 #44
all i can say is groan AllaN01Bear Jan 2018 #40
Sometimes the major threat to a family is a family member who owns a gun Kaleva Jan 2018 #41

lisa58

(5,755 posts)
1. How do you know he's autistic?
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 07:14 PM
Jan 2018

How do you know what kind of firearm he used?

This happened blocks from
My home - this has not been reported

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
2. K&R for exposure of gun insanity. Why does any family need to have an assault rifle?
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 07:15 PM
Jan 2018

A gun in the home triples the risk of homicide, even when there isn't an autistic teen around.

 

ClarendonDem

(720 posts)
6. Evidence?
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 07:25 PM
Jan 2018

And even if you have evidence, does the study control for homes where the gun owner is a felon and shouldn't have a gun, as compared to someone who is legally permitted to own a gun? Regarding assault rifles, what evidence is there that owning an assault rifle, instead of a pistol, triples the risk of homicides?

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
24. I said a GUN in the home triples the risk of homicide. Not just ARs.
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 08:26 PM
Jan 2018


I can see that you would not believe any evidence I did provide you, since you are obviously ignoring what is right in front of your eyes.

All countries have autistic kids. All countries have felons and criminals. But no developed ountry has the per capita number of gun deaths we do. Nor does any country have the per capita number of guns that we do. That is not a coincidence.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countries/

pazzyanne

(6,551 posts)
38. Evidence?
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 10:51 PM
Jan 2018

I come from a hunting family. Assault rifles are not used for hunting. Family gun owners also own gun safes which are locked and the key is carried by the most senior hunter in the family. Even then accidents can happen. Also, an assault rifle increases the number of potential victims. No one needs an assault rifle for hunting or for "protecting" their family in my opinion, and I am not anti-gun.

former9thward

(31,997 posts)
43. I don't know what kind of "hunting family" you come from.
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 10:48 AM
Jan 2018

I know many hunters and they all use semi-automatic rifles. They are used for hunting, more than bolt action or anything else.

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
39. Evidence? Gun owned by family member used to kill family...
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 11:41 PM
Jan 2018

I would think that the body count is evidence, but I guess that we should ignore that?

iluvtennis

(19,852 posts)
25. +++ Agree. THERE IS NO NEED FOR ANYONE OTHER THAN MILITARY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT to have assault rifle
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 08:34 PM
Jan 2018

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
3. Article says a family member owned the gun
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 07:17 PM
Jan 2018

I'm sure it was another responsible gun owner who kept his guns securely locked in a safe and never allowed children or the mentally ill to touch them.



 

ClarendonDem

(720 posts)
10. Sure
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 07:36 PM
Jan 2018

But that didn't really answer my question. I'd argue that the Bill of Rights protect all Americans.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
36. Click on their account name, then click the Profile button
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 09:23 PM
Jan 2018

If they're flagged, it'll show up close to the top of the page.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
37. Click on the profile tab.
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 09:25 PM
Jan 2018

It says of his account status, "Flagged for Review."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/125610242 adds that too many hidden posts in a short period of time can trigger that.

As for why he can post when he's flagged, it might just be a temporal thing: His posting status is updated constantly, so the profile link is live; but that link can be attached to posts made before he was flagged.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
23. I don't think your interpretation of the Bill of Rights applies to this situation
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 08:21 PM
Jan 2018

As it doesn't apply to many other situations. But of course, there is never a good time to talk about the right not to be shot. Apparently the founding fathers forget to put that one in the Bill of Rights, so it's just the price of freedom, I guess.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
13. Don't worry. Your hobby will continue to be allowed to senselessly cause deaths of thousands
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 07:46 PM
Jan 2018

of innocent people.

 

ClarendonDem

(720 posts)
15. That also didn't answer
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 07:51 PM
Jan 2018

My question. What hobby of mine allows the "deaths of thousands"? Question for you - do you think the gun or the person pulling the trigger is responsible for the murder?

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
17. Bla bla bla, canned talking point, canned talking point, canned talking point.
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 07:52 PM
Jan 2018

Look up the "gun nut bingo" game. We've all seen all of this before.

crim son

(27,464 posts)
29. When it comes to guns, that's questionable.
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 08:47 PM
Jan 2018

If it's all you've got then maybe you haven't got anything at all.

hunter

(38,311 posts)
33. Here in the 21st century the second ammendment blows chunks...
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 09:08 PM
Jan 2018

... just like Constitutionally sanctioned slavery did in the nineteenth century.

Your gun fuckery does NOTHING, NOTHING AT ALL in defense of MY civil rights.

All it does is get a lot of innocent people killed.



Sancho

(9,067 posts)
20. People Control, Not Gun Control
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 07:59 PM
Jan 2018

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

For those who want to argue legality, please reference: The Second Amendment: A Biography by Michael Waldman

Widely acclaimed at the time of its publication, the life story of the most controversial, volatile, misunderstood provision of the Bill of Rights.

At a time of increasing gun violence in America, Waldman’s book provoked a wide range of discussion. This book looks at history to provide some surprising, illuminating answers.

The Amendment was written to calm public fear that the new national government would crush the state militias made up of all (white) adult men—who were required to own a gun to serve. Waldman recounts the raucous public debate that has surrounded the amendment from its inception to the present. As the country spread to the Western frontier, violence spread too. But through it all, gun control was abundant. In the twentieth century, with Prohibition and gangsterism, the first federal control laws were passed. In all four separate times the Supreme Court ruled against a constitutional right to own a gun.

The present debate picked up in the 1970s—part of a backlash to the liberal 1960s and a resurgence of libertarianism. A newly radicalized NRA entered the campaign to oppose gun control and elevate the status of an obscure constitutional provision. In 2008, in a case that reached the Court after a focused drive by conservative lawyers, the US Supreme Court ruled for the first time that the Constitution protects an individual right to gun ownership. Famous for his theory of “originalism,” Justice Antonin Scalia twisted it in this instance to base his argument on contemporary conditions.

In The Second Amendment: A Biography, Michael Waldman shows that our view of the amendment is set, at each stage, not by a pristine constitutional text, but by the push and pull, the rough and tumble of political advocacy and public agitation.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
26. Yep. The Second Amendment was put in to avert the need for a standing army in peacetime.
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 08:39 PM
Jan 2018

It assured the states they could maintain "well regulated militias." That is now an anachronism. Indeed, it became a pointless amendment soon after it was enacted. We have always had a standing army and always will, despite our founding fathers' fear of such an entity.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
35. No. The Bill of Rights are all individual rights
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 09:18 PM
Jan 2018

They were added as amendments to ensure The government did not take away unalienable rights.

Don't they teach civics anymore?

The Democratic party platform says that the 2A protects an individual right not connected to militia service. Bernie, HRC, and President Obama all believe thst.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
46. It was given up about the same time as petulant responses become trendy and popular among the commo
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 02:40 PM
Jan 2018

"Don't they teach civics anymore?"

It was given up about the same time as petulant responses become trendy and popular among the common and base.


(six of one, half a dozen of the other... and each as petulant as the other. Bless your little heart.

crim son

(27,464 posts)
31. Yep, well.
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 08:51 PM
Jan 2018

Until we get children to understand and abide by the rules, we keep them away from dangerous objects.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
32. Horrible. What could possibly have lead him to do such a thing?
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 09:07 PM
Jan 2018

The brother said the parents are good parents. Teens have emotional issues quite often. It's a trying time. Having a semi-automatic rifle around when you have a teen (esp a male, since most of the shootings occur by males) seems foolish to me.

He knew how to shoot it, so someone gave him experience at it.

I believe there are 2 different kinds of people in the world. People who blame themselves for their unhappiness, and take it out on themselves. These are the teens in danger of suicide. Then there are those who take their problems out on others. These are the teens in danger of killing others.

How sad. So horrible. I wouldn't be surprised if the boy does drugs.

maxsolomon

(33,327 posts)
44. What drugs do you suspect is responsible for mass shooting?
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 12:32 PM
Jan 2018

Have you ever taken drugs recreationally? I have. None of them made me want to kill my family.

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