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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 12:44 PM Jan 2018

Dem who lost VA House seat in random drawing concedes

Source: The Hill




BY AVERY ANAPOL - 01/10/18 11:38 AM EST

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The Democratic candidate who lost a seat in Virginia’s House of Delegates in a random drawing has conceded.

Shelly Simonds, who ran to represent the state’s 94th district, lost to GOP incumbent David Yancey last week after the state’s board of elections decided the tied race by drawing names from a bowl.






Yancey won the election by 10 votes on election night in November, triggering a recount that resulted in Simonds winning by one vote. Republicans then challenged the single ballot, and a three-judge panel determined that it should count for Yancey, tying the race.

Democrats attempted to overturn the challenge, but the complaint was rejected. In accordance with state law, the race was decided “by lot” in January when officials drew names from a bowl.



Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/368299-dem-who-lost-va-house-seat-in-random-drawing-concedes
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Dem who lost VA House seat in random drawing concedes (Original Post) DonViejo Jan 2018 OP
Sad day for Virginians. lagomorph777 Jan 2018 #1
Never let anyone tell you their vote doesn't matter. n/t FSogol Jan 2018 #3
One single voter could have flipped the whole state. lagomorph777 Jan 2018 #7
Not so fast. Please read this: mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2018 #34
"a handful of those voters could have made the difference" lagomorph777 Jan 2018 #35
"No one from her campaign had knocked on those doors." NT mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2018 #36
Yes that too. But the ultimate responsibility is on the voter. lagomorph777 Jan 2018 #37
This is a travesty. No justice in this process. nm AmericanActivist Jan 2018 #2
As much as I hate the outcome, I feel the judge panel did the right thing. n/t FSogol Jan 2018 #4
I completely disagree. It was an overvote. Justice Jan 2018 #30
The outcome pains me, Codeine Jan 2018 #19
Rec'd for exposure. n/t PoliticAverse Jan 2018 #5
So the next time that there is an election in this particular district and there are let's say turbinetree Jan 2018 #6
Are we certain all the marks on this ballot came from the original voter? lagomorph777 Jan 2018 #8
Good point, the state had someone handling that ballot turbinetree Jan 2018 #9
Sad. Another stolen election really. KPN Jan 2018 #10
what a bunch of bullshit... Blue_Tires Jan 2018 #11
Fuck. SunSeeker Jan 2018 #12
at a loss here!! Why the Hell didn't she call bluestarone Jan 2018 #13
This *was* the recount. She was cheated when the spoiled ballot was included... NurseJackie Jan 2018 #15
this was recount AFTER the name drawing? bluestarone Jan 2018 #16
Nurse Jackie had it right BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #17
not really! Did this take place? bluestarone Jan 2018 #18
AHHHH, it's clear you would rather continue to bash Dems....not enough Reps around for you? BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #22
so you didn't answer the question tho bluestarone Jan 2018 #23
read post #15 and the statement in the OP BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #24
did you not read post 18 (MY POST) bluestarone Jan 2018 #25
yopu need to provide a link to that vote counting rule...i've never heard of it BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #27
hope this helps bluestarone Jan 2018 #29
You did not provide the statute, but from the article. BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #31
please read about 9 lines from the bottom bluestarone Jan 2018 #33
There already was a recount. How many times does one have to ask for a recount for you.... George II Jan 2018 #20
as soon as you show me bluestarone Jan 2018 #21
Never heard of your rule....do you have a link to that vote count rule? BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #26
Here you go... PoliticAverse Jan 2018 #32
Did anyone check the other film canister nykym Jan 2018 #14
Actually yes they did. He's a video of the process... PoliticAverse Jan 2018 #28

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
7. One single voter could have flipped the whole state.
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 01:03 PM
Jan 2018

To the 94th District voter who stayed home: Next time, pal, get your ass off the sofa. You fucked us over.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,446 posts)
34. Not so fast. Please read this:
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 04:33 PM
Jan 2018
Can a Democrat newly famous for losing turn defeat into political gold?

People in search of a conspiracy theory need to head down to the bolded part.

Retweeted by David Fahrenthold: https://twitter.com/Fahrenthold

“It was ‘Every vote counts,’ a beautiful story, and then it morphs into a darker story — you can play tricks and a judge can decide an election" -- Shelly Simonds of VA, who sounds like she has not accepted defeat after name-drawing to break a tied race



Virginia Politics

Can a Democrat newly famous for losing turn defeat into political gold?

By Paul Schwartzman January 8 at 6:07 PM

NEWPORT NEWS, Va. — The instant Shelly Simonds walked into an Italian restaurant near her home the other day, a booth full of diners rose from their seats to hug and console her. ... “This is one hot mess,” another diner volunteered when Simonds wandered by.

For an excruciating moment last week, Simonds was America’s most-talked-about political loser, a distinction she earned after her defeat in an electoral game of chance that was broadcast live across the country on CNN. ... Simonds, a Democrat who may still challenge the outcome, had thought she lost the race for the Virginia House of Delegates by 10 votes on election night, only to learn after a recount that she had won by a single vote. ... The astonishing turn momentarily threatened the GOP’s 18-year majority in the House of Delegates and transformed Simonds into an improbable, if fleeting, star of cable news shows.
....

Her list of what-might-have-beens includes something that has nothing to do with ceramic bowls or recounts. ... It’s the unopened cardboard box she found in her campaign headquarters days after the election. Inside were the names and addresses of hundreds of targeted voters her volunteers needed to reach on Election Day to get them to the polls.

No one from her campaign had knocked on those doors. ... With the election so close, Simonds knows that a handful of those voters could have made the difference. ... “I was stunned when I found that box,” Simonds said.

....

Paul Schwartzman specializes in political profiles and narratives about life, death and everything in between. Follow @paulschwartzman

If the people who intend to vote for you don't make it to the polls, you are already playing catch up.
 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
19. The outcome pains me,
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 03:25 PM
Jan 2018

but I honestly believe the intent of the disputed ballot was clear and that the right choice was made.

Let’s be happy we took as many seats as we did and look forward to taking more soon.

turbinetree

(24,701 posts)
6. So the next time that there is an election in this particular district and there are let's say
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 12:59 PM
Jan 2018

15 ballots that are marked the same way what are they going to do..........................and they are all marked for the democrat and the republican is cancelled out........................

And as for medicaid expansion--------------------don't hold your breath, look at what he has been doing for the last umpteen years since he has and is in office.....................

turbinetree

(24,701 posts)
9. Good point, the state had someone handling that ballot
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 01:10 PM
Jan 2018

-------------------and everyone knew it in that room it was invalid, it was tainted, that person should have gone right back to the election judge and said I made a mistake-------what do I do?

They have machines in that state it would have rejected the ballot-------------and they should have rejected that ballot.

It is amazing how it conveniently showed up.....................




KPN

(15,645 posts)
10. Sad. Another stolen election really.
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 01:21 PM
Jan 2018

There is absolutely no way to justify counting a ballot that has multiple marks for the two candidates. No way to have any idea with certainty what the voter intended. The ballot that resulted in the drawing was rightly thrown out to begin with and should have been by the judge(s) who ruled to allow it as well.

WHEN ARE WE GOING TO SEE A QUESTIONABLE CONCESSION ON THE PART OF THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE IN A CHALLENGED ELECTION? NEVER!


bluestarone

(16,940 posts)
13. at a loss here!! Why the Hell didn't she call
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 02:15 PM
Jan 2018

for at least a RECOUNT?? We just give in all the time!! What did she have to lose?

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
15. This *was* the recount. She was cheated when the spoiled ballot was included...
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 02:46 PM
Jan 2018

... she had no other legal options.

We just give in all the time!!
No we don't. It serves no good purpose to bash Democrats or Shelly Simonds.

Please... If you must bash anyone, attack the judges and officials... not our party or our candidates.

bluestarone

(16,940 posts)
16. this was recount AFTER the name drawing?
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 02:51 PM
Jan 2018

i was under the thought that whomever lost the DRAWING, had the right to request ANOTHER recount? Also if true this was SECOND recount (which i did not see) i withdraw my statement

 

BoneyardDem

(1,202 posts)
17. Nurse Jackie had it right
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 03:07 PM
Jan 2018

bashing Dems really isn't the answer to much of anything. I'm glad you withdrew your statement...too bad you don't just delete it.

bluestarone

(16,940 posts)
18. not really! Did this take place?
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 03:17 PM
Jan 2018

Virginia statute permits the loser of the draw to petition for another recount," Green said. "In that case, the same recount procedure would happen a second time, meaning candidates would presumably have a second chance to challenge overvotes and other ballots

 

BoneyardDem

(1,202 posts)
24. read post #15 and the statement in the OP
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 04:01 PM
Jan 2018
Yancey won the election by 10 votes on election night in November (1), triggering a recount (2)that resulted in Simonds winning by one vote(3). Republicans then challenged the single ballot(4), and a three-judge panel determined that it should count for Yancey(5), tying the race.
....then came the toss up

I'm not sure what more you think could have been done. But you go for it and ignore my observation of your continued harping on Dems. I expect no less.

bluestarone

(16,940 posts)
25. did you not read post 18 (MY POST)
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 04:08 PM
Jan 2018

if this was done i will delete every post i have here ( link please) AFTER THE DRAWING!! tell me i'm wrong to want 2nd drawing.

 

BoneyardDem

(1,202 posts)
31. You did not provide the statute, but from the article.
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 04:21 PM
Jan 2018
Court clerk Gary Anderson said the judges received Simonds' petition on Wednesday, but he could not say when a hearing might take place if the panel decides to consider it. Court officials have said any hearing will likely require some planning ahead of time.


looks like everyone is guessing. She has had input from her attorneys....apparently you didn't confer with her attorneys as to election law nuances.

George II

(67,782 posts)
20. There already was a recount. How many times does one have to ask for a recount for you....
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 03:42 PM
Jan 2018

....to stop bashing her?

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
32. Here you go...
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 04:22 PM
Jan 2018
https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title24.2/chapter6/section24.2-674/

§ 24.2-674. Determination by lot in case of tie.

If two or more persons have an equal number of votes for any county, city, town, or district office, and a higher number than any other person, the electoral board shall proceed publicly to determine by lot which of the candidates shall be declared elected.

If any two or more persons have an equal number of votes and a higher number than any other person for member of the General Assembly or of the Congress of the United States, or elector of President and Vice President of the United States, the State Board of Elections shall proceed publicly to determine by lot which of them shall be declared elected. Reasonable notice shall be given to such candidates of the time when such elections shall be so determined; and if they, or either of them, shall fail to appear in accordance with such notice, the Board shall proceed so as to determine the election in their absence.

Any person who loses the determination by lot may petition for a recount pursuant to Article 1 (§ 24.2-800 et seq.) of Chapter 8 of this title.

Code 1950, §§ 24-277, 24-290; 1970, c. 462, § 24.1-149; 1993, c. 641.

There was already a recount in this election and it is unclear to me whether this specific provision actually provides for a second recount.

nykym

(3,063 posts)
14. Did anyone check the other film canister
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 02:43 PM
Jan 2018

to see if Simmons name was actually there?

Just wondering....

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