Cost climbs by $2.8 billion for California bullet train
Source: AP
SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) The estimated cost for the first phase of Californias bullet train climbed by 35 percent on Tuesday to $10.6 billion, the latest increase for the ambitious project to run a high-speed rail line from San Francisco to Los Angeles.
The $2.8 billion price hike for a 119-mile (191-kilometer) segment in the Central Valley puts the entire cost of the project at roughly $67 billion, although officials said they hope to recover the newly announced costs later. It was projected to cost $40 billion in 2008 when voters approved bond financing.
I want the public to count on us to tell the truth, whether its good, bad or ugly, said Dan Richard, chair of the California High Speed Rail Authoritys board. Were going to do every single thing in our power to drive these costs down.
Some of the fresh costs stem from trouble acquiring the rights of way for the track in the Central Valley. The authority entered into construction contracts before fully securing rights of way in all areas, a decision officials said they wouldnt make again. The decision to enter into contracts quickly was partly due to the need to spend $2.5 billion in federal stimulus money by last fall.
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msongs
(67,459 posts)airplanes. that idea has been killed by jealous cities far away from the original route.
tinrobot
(10,926 posts)And that was never the plan.
This is being built to give the communities in between SF and LA easier access to the big cities. Those Central Valley cities have been shut out of California's growth because they are so far away. This will help connect them to the rest of the state and provide better access to airports, jobs, commerce, etc.
lapfog_1
(29,227 posts)from LA to Sacramento, add more lanes to 580 over the Altamont?
Also, what is the cost of the Hyperloop from LA to, say, Tracy?
still_one
(92,438 posts)others have done.
lapfog_1
(29,227 posts)Even if there was a bullet train from LA to San Francisco (which is NOT on the drawing board of the high speed rail program ), that would serve only a fraction of the population.
Let me explain.
I commute to LA from Silicon Valley quite a lot (8 to 12 times a year). It takes me 5.5 hours DRIVING from door to door. On a good day I can do it under 5 hours (if I leave at 11pm to midnight).
To fly there using any of three major airports in the Bay Area (San Jose, San Francisco, Oakland) and LAX in Los Angeles... counting the commute time to the airport, security screening, etc... and the 1 hour flight time... it's about the same 5 hours (give or take 15 min).
The difference is that I now have to only pack a day pack for the flight, rent a car or pay to UBER it to the burbs of LA (West Hollywood, sometimes Santa Monica), and flying is stressful. It is far cheaper to drive, I can leave when I want, no car rental or UBER costs, I can pack or not... plus once there I can drive to multiple destinations and leave when I want.
So, for me, driving is preferred. Destinations are so spread out that a car is needed at the destination (UBER or cabs are fine to get from my home to the airport and back).
I-5 is a nightmare because of semi-trucks. When one decides to pass another on I-5 the back up in the fast lane and resulting slow down can last for miles.
So, if it was up to me I would do one of the following:
Spend $5 billion on adding lanes to i-5 and wait as we all convert to electric cars (countering the greenhouse gas emissions argument)
or
Build the HyperLoop from, say, Hayward to LA and have a huge parking lot full of cheap electric rental cars at the two (and only two) endpoints. Elon??? Get busy!
Rail is so 20th century. And the cost of rail is spiraling out of control... and with the extra stops it isn't going to be all that fast and last but not least, it isn't going (current config) to anyplace all that useful.
still_one
(92,438 posts)Good ole San Mateo didn't want BART to go through its county at the start, and finally after 40 plus years they are going to extend BART into San Jose.
LA is just a basket case.
The extra car pool lane was a complete failure on the 405.
You say California isn't Europe or China. Then how about compared to the East Coast. California is pathetic.
San Francisco in the 70's was way ahead of the curve with mass transit, now because of unaffordable housing prices people our being forced out to Lodi, Tracy, Stockton, and commute in from the South Bay as far as Hollister, Los Banos, etc.
LA got screwed by GM and the car companies which paid of politicians to initiate the systemic dismantling of any mass transit system decades ago
I live in the Bay Area, but travel down to LA several times a year, and my observation is that new lanes do not help the commute problem. It is a Band-Aid. Mass transit is where you need to go. We are already decades behind. It is time
It took 35 years to build the interstate highway system.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)$4 million to $6 million per mile in rural and suburban areas, $8 million to $10 million per mile in urban areas (nationwide average).
(American Road & Transportation Builders Association)
lapfog_1
(29,227 posts)assume the higher figure
365 miles from the 210 interchange to north of Sacramento or 3.65 billion to turn I-5 into a 6 lane highway.
Another 1 billion for more I-5 to I-680 through Tracy Livermore and Dublin/Pleasanton
$5 Billion total
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Initial capital investment only, so far. There would then follow additional measurements of cost/benefit analysis of both immediate and long term savings of fuel, time, maintenance, etc.
So no... your total is lacking relevant data.
Once in the habit of convincing ourselves why a thing cannot be done, it's difficult to achieve the balance of what can be done.
No mountain is climbable until it's been climbed. Everest never successfully scaled until 1950s. 4000 have ascended since.
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)Instead money has been pissed away on useless defense projects that lead nowhere and add no value to society.
BigmanPigman
(51,638 posts)mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Certainly has 'value' to 'someone'.
Not to mention the value of the MIC in general that fights to protect 'our oil' ... lining the pockets of GOP campaign contributors ... oh, and there's the fact that it props up the fossil fuel industry ...
A Nation criss-crossed by bullet trains running mostly on solar/wind power wouldn't enrich the GOP's contributors nearly enough ... might've even caused more 'unions' to develop and other horrible outcomes of that nature.
The MIC/petroleum complex keeping the 'troops' and cars and tanks and planes operating, no matter the planetary expense ... is clearly 'valuable' ... to the evil f**ks benefiting from them.
still_one
(92,438 posts)AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)brooklynite
(94,786 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Ever heard the phrase 'cutting off your nose to spite your face'?
EarthFirst
(2,905 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,867 posts)I will have been dead and buried...I really want to ride in the bullet train!
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still_one
(92,438 posts)was finally completed, it took 36 years.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Bullet train from Houston to Dallas takes another step forward
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"HOUSTON, Texas (KTRK) --
It's the kind of train we've never seen in the Lone Star State, and it's called the Texas Bullet Train. It promises a ride between Houston and Dallas in 90 minutes, and it is one step closer to becoming a reality.
"I think it's a good idea because it's a four-hour drive, so it'd be nice for it to be just 90 minutes," said Cassie Jones.
In recent days, the U.S. Department of Transportation released its review called a Draft Environmental Impact Study, evaluating about a half dozen possible routes, but only recommending one."
snip
"Starting this Friday, Dec. 22, you can offer feedback online and for the following 60 days, until Feb. 20, 2018. The public feedback period will include 10 public hearings in the counties affected by the new train.
Texas Central, which is building the project, hopes to break ground on the project, at the earliest in late 2018 or early 2019, and construction is estimated to last four to five years."
http://abc13.com/travel/bullet-train-from-houston-to-dallas-takes-another-step-forward/2796070/
hunter
(38,334 posts)... that will supply them with more highly subsidized irrigation water, pennies on the dollar.
They also seem to think such projects will make more water, even in years of drought.
The rail project has become a symbol of wasteful government spending to them. They don't see their own demands for subsidized water and useless dams in the same light.
Many of these families arrived in California as Dust Bowl refugees yet they still believe a version of rain follows the plow. Many of them are prosperity gospel Christians too, so it's no coincidence they'd rather believe that God is providing them with irrigation water, not the U.S. or California taxpayer. They also voted for Trump, because of God. There's no arguing with those kind of beliefs.
Personally, I don't have a lot of respect for them, and they have none for me, even hate me as a California Liberal and environmental extremist. But I have to coexist with them.
I've also got my own prejudices to be aware of. Many of my ancestors were California dairy farmers who landed here in the nineteenth century. When I was a little kid, hearing family elders talk, the Okies and the Portuguese who settled the Central Valley abused their cows and horses, cheated their hired hands, and ruined the dairy market for everyone. A few years ago I was talking to a distant cousin, still a coastal dairy farmer, who was disparaging of the Central Valley dairies, but not with such blunt language. Her family's small dairy survives by targeting affluent consumers who are willing to pay more for organic and other specialty dairy products and beef.
I'm singling out the factory farm dairy industry because it uses huge amounts of water and has some of the greater environmental impacts. There are dietary and ethical considerations too. Beef and dairy products are not essential to a healthy human diet. I'd go so far as to remove milk from school lunches.
Maybe we should spend a few billion dollars annually buying out and retiring agricultural lands that use the greatest amount of water and have the worst environmental impacts.
Well, that's it. I've ruined any chance I ever had of holding any elected office in California...
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)That's the new Sonoma County to Marin commuter train. It was awesome! I don't care if it costs twice as much. Build the train!
ansible
(1,718 posts)Are they going to raise the gas tax again, because right now I'm very, very angry at having to pay $3 a gallon.
ripcord
(5,550 posts)Jerry Brown has been the driving force behind CAHSR and is termed out this year. Neither Gavin Newsome or Antonio Villaraigosa supports it in fact it is being used as a wedge issue with Villaraigosa claiming Newsome was for the project before he was against it.