Senate Votes Overwhelmingly to End Government Shutdown.

[elleng]

Source: NYT

The U.S. government is close to reopening. Senate Democrats helped advance a stopgap bill after a G.O.P. pledge to continue immigration talks. Check out our live vote tracker to see how each lawmaker voted.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/22/us/politics/government-shutdown.html?

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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/22/us/politics/live-senate-vote-government-shutdown2.html

[Auggie]

1. If McConnell keeps his word it's a win for Dems

[Spouting1horn]

2. Did they

Did they add the DACA fix like the one Flake suggested?

[Javaman]

3. are you really expecting him to keep his word?

bait and switch and delay forever.

[Auggie]

5. I posted elsewhere that I didn't. But now that it's a done deal ...

we'll have to wait and see. Take note that I said "IF".

[Gregory Peccary]

15. That is a mighty big "IF"

[dflprincess]

4. it's a win for Democrats either way

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Well played.

[Upthevibe]

7. How is it a win for Democrats either way?

I'm not being sarcastic...I seriously don't understand what happened... (LOL)

[dflprincess]

14. They'll be able to use Yertle not keeping his word agsinst him

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And every other Republican.

[Javaman]

30. and you know what?

the repukes won't give a shit and will let the fox news cycle take care of the rest.

[dflprincess]

33. Based on the polls, people appear to be paying more attention than usual to this shut down

and given that they're blaming Republicans, it's not just Fox viewers who are watching this.

McConnell made what, to most, would sound like a reasonable offer for a short extension. By accepting it the Democrats look like they're willing to "play nice". People will like that. If (when) McConnell goes back on his word it will hurt the Republicans, not the Democrats.

[Javaman]

35. so we kicked the ball down the road.

yeah good plan.

and we are also supposed to trust the repukes at their word to "revisit DACA"

again, yeah, good plan.

[elmac]

36. Fascists are playing us like a cheap piano

sad, very sad.

[Tarheel_Dem]

46. Just how long, in your opinion, should Dems have kept the federal government shut down? n/t

[GaryCnf]

53. I'm sure you meant

"Just how long, in your opinion, should REPUBLICANS have kept the federal government shut down?"

because isn't what you posted what the other side is claiming?

Here's some math:

51= the number of votes required to change Senate rules to require 51 votes to pass CR (a/k/a the same process used by Trump and the Senate GOP to pack the federal courts with the most ABA "unqualified" judges in the history of the Republic) . . . 51= number of Senate Republicans . . . 46 = the number of Senate Republicans who voted for CR. The FACT is that the CR sent over by the House is so politically repulsive and so unprincipled that the GOP and Trump can't even get the full GOP caucus to sign on to it. #GOPownsit #GOPfail

[Tarheel_Dem]

55. There's a CNN poll out that puts the shutdown in perspective. While Americans, overwhelmingly, want

a path to citizenship for the Dreamers, they don't DACA is worth a government shutdown. I know that chafes many on the left, but the fact is the CR passed with 80 some votes, and expires in early February. I disagreed with shutdowns during the Obama administration, and I still do.

[GaryCnf]

56. There is a CNN poll that puts

our messaging in perspective.

The same messaging that getting blown out of the water on every single news outlet by the GOP spin on this vote.

Now that we've sacrificed DACA, not to mention taken the CHIP albatross from around the GOP's neck, I wonder what comes next?

What's more, what did we get in return . . . a CHIP program that had they continued to refuse to fund would have cost the Pukes a hundred House seats -- meaning we would have gotten it anyway?

The "victory" of keeping 800,000 out of perhaps as many as 10 million hard working immigrants here? Are one of the lives of the Costa Rican and Guatemalan refugees are going to be saved?

Or is our victory merely "not having our leadership look like obstructionists?"

[Tarheel_Dem]

58. Perhaps you should talk to someone who's fed up with being held hostage to the whims of those...

who don't give a shit what happens as a result of a shutdown? There are flesh & blood Americans whose livelihoods are put at risk everytime this happens. Many of them still have to show up to work, whether they get paid or not. That's not fair to them.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210131672

[GaryCnf]

59. Maybe our Senate leaders should talk to folks who will be shipped back to Guatemala

[Tarheel_Dem]

60. From what I understand, they talk to them everyday.

[ripcord]

34. The House isn't bound by his word

We have been had.

[elmac]

37. yep, hook, line & sinker nt

[A Morpheus Felinae]

6. Mark my words

McConnell WILL NOT keep his promise.

[atreides1]

10. Sure he will

As long as he allows "free and open debate", he'll have kept his word!

[Javaman]

31. as long as...

I will commence with the holding of the breath now.

[Raster]

12. Comrade McTurtle is a wounded animal...

...The oft-vaunted maestro of the Senate has proved to be just another bumbling fool in the headlights of the runaway tRump* train. And McTurtle* damned well better keep his word, or he's going to find himself noticeably diminishing in power and stature, just like his failed ideology and his dying political party.

[woodsprite]

19. Well, I wish he was a wounded turtle in a Gulag some place. n/t

[Upthevibe]

20. Something that very greatly concerns me is that we

on DU think that the rPug party is dying....but they have the Executive and the Legislative branches (and I don't even want to think about the Judicial)...

[Raster]

27. The Rethuglican Party is in a downward spiral...

...They are losing ground with: (1) Millennials; (2) Minorities; and (3) Women. The long-term projections for the GOP are not good. When you are the party of old, white men, there is only a finite amount of old, white men to keep your party afloat, and they are dying at an expected rate.

[vi5]

50. "The Emerging Democratic Majority" was published in 2002

And here we are 15 years later and they control almost everything.

I'm not saying it's not to some degree true, but the Democrats (or more accurately too many in leadership positions) have been content to just take that book and what it was saying as mantra and bible truth and assuming they don't need to do anything or take any risks or sharpen their messaging to fully get to that point.

As we've seen, people hating the Republican party doesn't always translate to people loving and being active in our party. If we're perceived to be selling out key aspects of those important Demographics, as could be the case with Dreamers/DACA now, dissatisfaction with Republicans may not automatically translate to support for the Democratic party.

[Upthevibe]

71. I want to feel your assertion is correct....However....a lot of white women voted

for dt......

[bullwinkle428]

38. He was mortally wounded after what he did to Merrick Garland...

[dixiegrrrrl]

26. Ask Sen. Collins how he keeps his word.

He twice promised her something in exchange for her vote, remember? And broke his promise both times.

'Course, it;s her fault for falling for it the 2nd time.

[Auggie]

54. I know, I know ... it's a big "IF"

[still_one]

43. Even if they don't it is still a win in my view

[vi5]

8. Oh, so we just have to rely on Republicans keeping their word...

...isn't that how we got to this situation in the first place?

[Javaman]

32. that's the new...

policy by the Democrats. Trust repukes! Because it worked so well in the past.

[vi5]

48. I mean at this point they are literally Lucy with the football.

Except I think by this point even Charlie Brown would know better.

[atreides1]

9. Free and open debate

Mr. McConnell pledged Monday morning that he would permit a “free and open debate” on immigration next month if the issue had not been resolved by then.

Where does the term "free and open debate", mean a bill to protect the Dreamers from being deported, beginning in March???

[Ligyron]

18. It means the GOP can talk and talk all they want.

Isn't that called a fillibuster?

[malthaussen]

57. Ineresting choice of words, innit?

It's the United States Senate. I thought "free and open debate" was what they were supposed to be all about.

-- Mal

[FakeNoose]

65. Nowadays there's not much debating on the Senate floor

Almost all the deliberating goes on behind closed doors in the Committee meetings. They sometimes have meetings and exclude the Democrats who are also committee members. They did it when they were trying to pass the tax "reform" bill. That is just complete bullcrap.

So to answer your question, theoretically "free and open debate" is supposed to happen all the time but it seldom does while the GOP is in charge. Supposedly Mitchy-boy has promised to mend his ways. But don't hold your breath.

[malthaussen]

72. Right. In other words...

... we should be oh-so-grateful that Mr McConnell and the GOP have condescended to promise to actually do the job for which they were elected. Given that they often refuse outright to do that job, I suppose in their view this is something worthy of our respect and gratitude.

-- Mal

[dmkinsey]

11. Next big question

Will Trump sign it?
He's so influenced by Miller and the other WH staff he probably won't agree to anything.

[yallerdawg]

13. 9,000,000 CHIP children and millions of parents...

850,000 furloughed federal workers, unpaid US military and 'essential' civilian personnel, and untold millions of people who no longer have that fear and insecurity hanging over their heads are breathing a sigh of relief!

That ain't nothin'!

Starts all over again in 3 weeks!

[leftynyc]

17. +1000

I don't get all the angst. We got what you posted and the cons got NOTHING except this headache again in 17 days.

[FSogol]

24. Exactly and instead of starting tomorrow on permanent funding, they'll wait 16 days to start.

[Loserman1962]

28. 9,000,000 CHIP children and millions of parents...

"850,000 furloughed federal workers, unpaid US military and 'essential' civilian personnel, and untold millions of people who no longer have that fear and insecurity hanging over their heads are breathing a sigh of relief!

That ain't nothin'! "


It is exactly what The Senate Democrats rejected Friday.

Nothing changed between then and now other than we lost the PR War so we caved.

[yallerdawg]

42. We gave the Dotard a special anniversary weekend!

Alone in his residence at 'that dump' in Washington!

Staring out the window at this:

[world wide wally]

16. Trump will throw a bomb at McConnell (as if he needs it)

[turbinetree]

21. McConnell and the fascists republicans......

DECIDED for over 6 years to filibuster legislation to help the human beings in this country..........

DECIDED to pack the current traitor's cabinet and now the lower courts with traitors and assholes----------

DECIDED with help from the asshole in the Judiciary to just rewrite the Constitution and appoint an asshole to the Supreme Court.........

DECIDED to use a Russian troll farm to accuse the democrats for the shut down ..............

DECIDED to spread misinformation and have "help" to attack the special prosecutors investigation into the act of treason.............

Trust McConnell and Ryan ................. ........................NO I do not...................

[Loserman1962]

29. McConnell and the fascists republicans......

"DECIDED with help from the asshole in the Judiciary to just rewrite the Constitution and appoint an asshole to the Supreme Court......... "


I completely missed this one.

Could you further explain what you mean?

[turbinetree]

39. Neil Gorsuch, should be impeached and removed from the bench

The past administration (Obama) put forth a nominee to the U.S Supreme Court to be given the opportunity have the rule of law applied under the advise and consent per the article's of the Constitution, Grassley and McConnell denied that request, and they also should be impeached and removed from the Congress


https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/how-trump-and-the-republicans-stole-the-supreme-court-w450269

[Loserman1962]

41. Neil Gorsuch, should be impeached and removed from the bench

"The past administration (Obama) put forth a nominee to the U.S Supreme Court to be given the opportunity have the rule of law applied under the advise and consent per the article's of the Constitution, Grassley and McConnell denied that request, and they also should be impeached and removed from the Congress"

Whether we like it or not they essentially did do advice and consent.

They considered a typical nominee that Obama would have nominated and then did nominate as someone they would not consider.

If Obama would have nominated Gorsuch, or someone like him,then they would have confirmed him.

Sucks but these days it is what it is.

The partisan divide will only deepen

[turbinetree]

47. Sorry, when you with hold a floor vote, or do not let the president of the country

to exercise his rights under the Constitution...............that is grounds for impeachment

They made there bed, the fascist republicans, they own this mess, they have owned it since 1981...................

Obama nominated a moderate that both sides of the aisle said, would make a good jurist------------it is inexcusable that a party of fascists decided all by themselves to re-write the Constitution without any convention---------none

Yes, if Obama had nominated Gorsuch it would have been different, but the facts are not that, and I will not go into that format

And this issue strikes a nerve in what I was told and understood through out my life that I have to abide by the rule of law and over 85% of the members of the congress never served or lived in the military, but they use the military for political gain BS.

Everyone of us at one time or another have had to swear to follow the law, be it in jury, or driving down the road, or filling out any paperwork to buy a car or a home, and in essence we have sworn to defend and protect the Constitution, and the rule of law.............it is not toilet paper, when two men or a party that thinks there is no Constitution, and no rule of law, that is unacceptable, they should be impeached, they have put party over country................. .

This country presently has a man and his lackey's and his party taking down this republic as we speak, they are traitors



Men and woman have died and have defended the Constitution, and for this republic, and as a democrat I will not let the fascists republican take the high ground and say they are for the military.

I have friends that are on a wall in Washington, and I was protesting during that time frame and trying to keeping there names off that wall, and it didn't work.......................while a jerk had bone spurs, and now has a clean bill of health, bone spurs do not go away...................



Take Care


November 2018 cannot get here fast enough

[FakeNoose]

67. This is only for 16 days

Do you think they'll have it figured out by Feb. 8th? I don't.

Trump will play golf for the next 2 weeks and then he'll start another twitter-rage campaign. The GOP had 6 months to fix the government funding and they ignored it until 3 days before the deadline. Everything is always more important than making sure they do their job and manage the federal government.

[avebury]

22. If there is anything that the Democrats should have learned over the last year,

the Republicans cannot be trusted. I just hope that they don't find themselves Charlie Brown to Lucy pulling the football away from him as he tries to kick it.

[George II]

23. 18 voted against it. Wonder who they are?

[Grins]

25. Schumer caved.

Why can't we have better democrats?

[SharonClark]

44. Better Democrats? Because there are purists who can"t see the forest for the trees.

[Tarheel_Dem]

49. Schumer can read polls as well as you can. The public thinks DACA was not a good reason to shut....

down the government. He knew that Dems were taking the hit for that. Nobody caved. There are many federal workers who are relieved that they won't be deferred any longer. We have to be consistent. Government shutdowns were bad during the Obama administration, and they still are.

[LanternWaste]

52. That does seem to be the narrative adopted by you guys...

That does seem to be the narrative adopted by you guys... regardless of its inaccuracy.

[Thekaspervote]

40. no, don't trust mcconnell, but if schummer accepted the deal

Then I think we have to believe his reasoning was sound. He ..schummer has been a very strong leader... that he's not going down the garden path again

[briv1016]

45. When McConnell reneges on the deal, Schumer needs to go.

[chowder66]

61. Um, no. McConnell is the one who promised. He should go if he breaks it. nt

[briv1016]

62. But Schumer's the one that believed him.

His judgment is compromised.

[chowder66]

64. Did he? nt

[briv1016]

66. He gave up all his leverage for a "promise" didn't he?

[chowder66]

68. Either McConnell does what he says or he doesn't and we do this all over again in a few weeks.

I can't guess if Schumer gave up any leverage - we really don't have much leverage to begin with and whatever little we do have cannot be used in this way for too long.... the longer the government is shut down the worse it gets for us going into the mid-terms which are pretty critical if we want to get anything done. We will have much more leverage if things go our way.

I'd rather them not use all of their leverage in the meantime.

It's too early to know how any of this will shake out.

[chowder66]

69. One important point of the shutdown

Monday’s deal took the Children’s Health Insurance Program, or CHIP, off the table. On Thursday, South Dakota Republican Senator Mike Rounds made an interesting admission to NBC’s Chuck Todd about the program that Republicans had cynically allowed to run out of money nearly three months ago. “Under the current proposal,” Rounds said, “CHIP is now off the table because it’s been extended for a period of six years. And so then what is the next bargaining chip that brings Democratsto the table?” That’s exactly where the GOP finds itself now. As one blogger at the Daily Kos cleverly put it: Dems free 8.9M child hostages from kidnappers; 690K adults still being held as negotiations continue.

Without CHIP in the mix, as Eric Boehlert pointed out on Twitter, the next round of negotiations will be “clean” from a messaging point of view in that it will be all about the DREAMers. No longer can McConnell, Paul Ryan, the Trump administration and other Republicans claim that Democrats are harming “our” children for the sake of “illegal immigrants” — the outrageous and subrosa racist frame adopted by the GOP during this past week’s debacle.

It puts McConnell on the spot

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210132510

[Cold War Spook]

51. What is wrong with the deal?

If he doesn't keep his word, there will be more Senators than this time to just shut down the government and it will put the Republicans in an even worse situation then they were in this time. Also if it doesn't work out, take out ads showing the video of Trump blaming Obama for the last shutdown in 2013, saying it is up to the President. Tell the people that Trump can't even control his own party.

[harun]

70. Never negotiate with Terrorists

[harun]

63. Caved as expected. Good bye Progressive votes.

[malthaussen]

73. So, after all the posturing is done...

... the Democrats chose to fund CHIP and sell DACA down the river, which was exactly the choice the GOP presented them. Not really surprising, it was already established that DACA was not sufficient, of itself, to warrant a shutdown. Which means that even if the issue does come up in the sequel. nothing will be done.

Since the alternatives were no CHIP and no emergency funding (wonder if our country will ever have a budget again), it's an easy argument to claim that the Greater Good required this "compromise."

-- Mal