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PatrickforO

(14,574 posts)
Fri Mar 30, 2018, 10:41 PM Mar 2018

Kentucky Teachers Shut Down Schools After Public Pension Overhaul

Source: Huffington Post

Kentucky’s public pension system is among the worst funded in the nation. Gov. Matt Bevin (R) has prioritized reforming it since he was elected in 2015, and Republicans have taken up the issue since gaining control of both houses of the state legislature in 2016.

Teachers and public employees have fought the proposed changes, which have included transitioning new hires into a “hybrid” system that more closely resembles a 401(k). They argue that such changes would lead to steep cuts to their retirement systems and could violate their contracts with the state.

Educators have spent weeks protesting the proposed pension plans, and appeared to have derailed any potential reform earlier this week as Kentucky’s 2018 legislative session drew to a close.

But on Thursday afternoon, Republicans tucked many of their proposed changes into a piece of legislation relating to public sewage. And after mere hours of debate, both state legislative chambers approved the bill in late-night votes, with the state Senate voting around 10 p.m. to send the bill to Bevin’s desk.

Read more: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kentucky-school-shutdown-pension_us_5abe4233e4b0f112dc9baeee



Once again, in a late-night stealth vote, Republicans vote to steal pensions from hard working people.
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Kentucky Teachers Shut Down Schools After Public Pension Overhaul (Original Post) PatrickforO Mar 2018 OP
dear teachers, voting for republicans has consequences nt msongs Mar 2018 #1
republicans have proven time after time, joshdawg Mar 2018 #8
Kentucky teachers as well as those in BigmanPigman Mar 2018 #2
Shut the schools down MichMan Mar 2018 #3
Stay the course and good luck Kentucky. And "Vote Them Out!' appalachiablue Mar 2018 #4
Respect. These. Teachers. mountain grammy Mar 2018 #5
Another state ravaged by Koch Industries policies. Initech Mar 2018 #6
A Kentucky friend of mine radical noodle Mar 2018 #7
Ohio teachers do not get SS Ohiogal Mar 2018 #13
Teachers do not have SS, but those others do. Two retired KY teacher sisters. tonyt53 Mar 2018 #15
If these horrible Republicans in KY get their way, elderly teachers will PatrickforO Mar 2018 #18
The GOP would love nothing better than doing away with public education. This is a win for them. C Moon Mar 2018 #9
Welcome jodymarie aimee Mar 2018 #10
Teachers should be scared of the GOP duforsure Mar 2018 #11
Check out the legislators' Defined-Benefit pension plan Fritz Walter Mar 2018 #12
I am 100% FOR the teachers to get their overdue raises Ohiogal Mar 2018 #14
State budgets are a zero sum game. What is paid to one budget category means all other categories 3Hotdogs Mar 2018 #16
Raise property taxes by 20% MichMan Mar 2018 #17
Just moved here Corgigal Mar 2018 #19
COCKROACHES come out at night Angry Dragon Mar 2018 #20
This Trump Style Populism at Work TomCADem Mar 2018 #21

joshdawg

(2,648 posts)
8. republicans have proven time after time,
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 04:00 AM
Mar 2018

over and over again that they have absolutely no idea how to "govern."
And yet, and yet, people still, STILL, keep voting them into office. WTF?!

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
2. Kentucky teachers as well as those in
Fri Mar 30, 2018, 10:57 PM
Mar 2018

Oklahoma and West Virginia are not too happy these days. I hope they go on a statewide strike to get the real money that is owed to them and their underpaid profession. Value teachers and not crooked, overpaid politicians. Vote the Republicans out!

https://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/2/21/948224/-

MichMan

(11,924 posts)
3. Shut the schools down
Fri Mar 30, 2018, 11:02 PM
Mar 2018

Keep the schools shut down as long as it takes until they get a 25% wage increase.

radical noodle

(8,000 posts)
7. A Kentucky friend of mine
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 01:28 AM
Mar 2018

told me that the teachers (and also police and firefighters that are now being stripped of much of their pensions) do NOT get social security. The money saved by the state by not paying social security taxes was part of what was to go to their pension plans.

There are other states that have pensions and no social security for public employees but I don't know which ones. I do know Indiana has both pensions and social security but I expect them to try to change that.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
15. Teachers do not have SS, but those others do. Two retired KY teacher sisters.
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 09:28 AM
Mar 2018

They will be in Frankfort on Monday. One of them is 68 and still substitutes. She started teaching in January of 1971, so this is really personal to her.

PatrickforO

(14,574 posts)
18. If these horrible Republicans in KY get their way, elderly teachers will
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 10:06 AM
Mar 2018

be forced to eat out of dumpsters.

This is so wrong on so many levels it makes me want to puke.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
11. Teachers should be scared of the GOP
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 07:26 AM
Mar 2018

Going after their pensions , unions, rights, and their agenda to do away with public schools to privatize them, and force teachers to get less pay, less benefits, less protections, and work more. That's how they do, then say they're for public schools, when they clearly aren't.

Fritz Walter

(4,291 posts)
12. Check out the legislators' Defined-Benefit pension plan
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 07:55 AM
Mar 2018

Once kept secret, the Legislative Retirement Plan was made public in January, 2017. According to the Louisville Courier-Journal:

Retired state Rep. Harry Moberly Jr. is drawing a state pension of at least $165,157 per year.

Other retired lawmakers drawing high pensions include: former Rep. Jon Draud, of Edgewood, $158,123; former Sen. Dan Kelly, of Springfield, $122,231; and former Rep. J.R. Gray, of Benton, $117,740.

...Generally, pensions of legislators are based on a three-factor formula: the number of years served, times an average salary for the person’s three highest years of salary, times a percentage called the benefit factor. That percentage is 2.75 percent for most legislators.

...But a bill passed in 2005 significantly enriched the pensions of some lawmakers. It allowed lawmakers who have also worked in other branches of government to use the years of much higher salaries in an executive or judicial branch job for calculating a pension for a career that mostly involved low-paid years serving as a part-time legislator.


Seems to me that their own pension system is doing just fine, thank you!

Ohiogal

(31,998 posts)
14. I am 100% FOR the teachers to get their overdue raises
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 09:00 AM
Mar 2018

My husband is a retired teacher, so of course I side with the teachers every time.

But -- and maybe someone here can enlighten me -- will the legislatures in the red states take teacher raise money out of some other much needed fund, such as a fund set aside to help the poor? Didn't they do something like that in W. VA?

Sneaky, slimy Republicans will tell everyone "We couldn't fund health care clinics any more because the teachers demanded a raise!" or something similar. Making the teachers look greedy and selfish, further vilifying teachers to their red base of ignoramuses. To a Republican that would be a win-win.

3Hotdogs

(12,376 posts)
16. State budgets are a zero sum game. What is paid to one budget category means all other categories
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 09:36 AM
Mar 2018

get less.

Therefore, raise taxes or allocate less money to other needs.

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
19. Just moved here
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 10:43 AM
Mar 2018

but was lucky to live in a blue area. Pay taxes on our home, but have homestead exemption. Cancel homestead exemption, it would piss everyone off but so what. It's the contract they took when they started their careers, and we should abide by that.

That would cost me, our one home about 120 a month. Others more or less depending on your value. Apt properties should pay more then single homeowners. People don't like it, move.

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