World's first ocean plastic-cleaning machine set to tackle Great Pacific Garbage Patch
Source: The Independent
Jane Dalton
19 mins ago
Scientists are preparing to launch the world's first machine to clean up the planet's largest mass of ocean plastic.
The system, originally dreamed up by a teenager, will be shipped out this summer to the Great Pacific Garbage Patch, between Hawaii and California, and which contains an estimated 1.8 trillion pieces of plastic.
It will be the first ever attempt to tackle the patch since it was discovered in 1997.
The experts believe the machine should be able to collect half of the detritus in the patch about 40,000 metric tons within five years.
Read more: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ocean-plastic-cleanup-machine-great-pacific-garbage-patch-launch-boyan-slat-a8317226.html
bucolic_frolic
(43,146 posts)That's all that matters
Aside from what do you do with the junk
BumRushDaShow
(128,905 posts)almost half of the debris collected so far consisted of discarded fishing nets (which is amazing but then probably more easily collected than smaller pieces of plastic-derived material). Perhaps finding an alternate material for nets, basically going back to natural fibers that were originally used in the past, might help on that front (although many of these nets in general were supposedly from illegal fishers too).
FakeNoose
(32,634 posts)...so they have no choice, they have to get the nets in order to get the junk cleaned up. But those nets are all made of nylon and non-biodegradable materials, so they're just as much junk as the empty plastic bottles and trash.
Before World War 2 the nets were from hemp or other bio-degradables, but not any more.
BumRushDaShow
(128,905 posts)the nets themselves were also considered debris (since they were apparently unclaimed and not in normal fishing areas), so I suppose snagging them gets other debris that got caught in them (although probably fish or mammals that should not have been entangled in them were found too).
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,146 posts)I haven't seen any reports on it since the piles of stuff that was overwhelming the recycling system, and that was years and years ago
How much stuff can we manufacture with recycled plastic.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Once you cross that barrier, the fight's over.
Wounded Bear
(58,648 posts)Last I heard, they're not taking any more.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Burning tons of oil to save oil in plastics manufacture? Nutty.
This will drive recyclers to operate in more regions, making the process more efficient.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)including scrapped cars and ships. That is to say Chinas Ministry of Environmental Protection (MEP) did.
It hurts the huge waste recycling industries that grew up there, of course, which once handled I believe I read something like half of some types of our planet's recyclable waste and scrap materials. But China has huge environmental problems of its own, which its central government is attacking on a scale only centralized authoritarian governments can do. MEP itself is going to become a larger Ministry of Ecological Environment. And all "foreign garbage" that can be replaced by their own domestic resources will be phased out.
They're serious, and they're forcing nations around the planet to seek more serious solutions also.
Maeve
(42,281 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Here in Georgia, we take our trash to a county landfill ourselves, and they're very strict about separating out recyclables. No nonsense myth about our recyclable trash ending up "in the trash." It becomes an income stream for our county.
I don't know how much that offsets waste disposal costs, or how much of this should justly be attributed to environmental responsibility, but a stern old "disposal nazi" watches everyone coming through, and I wouldn't care find out what'd happen if he saw the wrong stuff going the wrong place.
mahina
(17,647 posts)thank you!
hlthe2b
(102,236 posts)in some locales (or where they accept it, recyclers merely collecting their tax-payer fees and turning around and sending the material to the landfill. Refusals can occur from something as ubiquitous as residential failure to RINSE out plastic containers...
Unfortunately, the big WE are not monitoring what is happening locally enough (not surprising, given that so many no longer get local news from radio or Sinclair tv, even if they DO watch, and surely aren't reading local newspapers), but I digress.
While I have spent the past two years looking at my own practices and making changes that I CAN, it is fully insufficient. I have a local milk service that uses GLASS and I pay a bit more for it, but then I look at all the other plastic I have to acquire and eventually discard. I lobbied my city to provide BIOdegradable doggy bags and am thrilled to see them widely distributed. But, with the exception of a few items one can purchase in bulk using recyclable glass containers (at $$$ whole foods and other health food stores), you are stuck buying the damned plastic.
I hope to hell this effort in the Pacific works. I am appalled at what we are leaving future generations to deal with.
bucolic_frolic
(43,146 posts)and they would scrub emissions
That's dropped off the radar too.
You're right, lots of unaccountability, after all we don't want any regulations
I too have cut my purchase of plastic. Went from cooking oil to stick margarine and butter. Recycle plastic bags. Deli cheese. Powdered milk. That kind of thing.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Noticed my trash output has dramatically reduced. Also my trash input (to my body). I've experienced an awakening of creativity; people are noticing. Oh and lost a ton of weight.
Kaleva
(36,295 posts)If the garbage is brought to a landfill to be buried and unable to degrade because of lack of oxygen. A better option would be compostable doggy bags and it brought to a composting site that accepts it.
"1. A high percentage of biodegradable plastic ends up in landfills, where nothing biodegrades.
In fact, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) requires landfills to block out air, moisture and sunlight the crucial elements for proper biodegradation.
That means that if your bag is like most biodegradable bags, it will just sit there, unable to decompose.
And while some companies tout having a biodegradable additive (a special film) on their biodegradable bags that lets them decompose completely, that claim has been challenged in court and still lacks consensus."
https://www.plasticplace.com/blog/5-surprising-secrets-of-biodegradable-plastic-bags
hlthe2b
(102,236 posts)the bags (supposedly) are composted.
I agree with your points, but even if they (bio disposable bags) end up non-degraded in landfills, any errant bags won't forever remain in the environment to obstruct the crops of wild water fowl, or become tangled around the legs of wildlife, much as the old steel leg traps. Given communities' laudible efforts to restore open space and wetland areas abutting trails and parks, this is not an insignificant issue.
Kaleva
(36,295 posts)Bags accidentally, or on purpose, left out in the open will degrade.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)You should definitely let the research team and scientists know about that. Without your insight, they most likely left the glaringly obvious out of their premises and conclusions.
Since it is as you allege lacking any evidence to support it, "all that matters..."
bucolic_frolic
(43,146 posts)Thanks, but many a study and many a scientific project is driven by dreams, concept, engineering, design, and funding
more than practicality, and the landscape can shift by the time the project is completed.
Without your angle I would never have thought it all through
Jedi Guy
(3,185 posts)I've only ever seen him/her post snarky sarcastic things like that. I guess that's how they get their jollies.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,563 posts)The rate that plastics are dumped will probably never reach zero, but it needs to slow drastically before any real success can be achieved.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)40 million that could have been spent on beach and river cleanup efforts that might actually make a difference.
The North Pacific garage patch is twice the size of Texas. This is like a gnat on the backside of an elephant. Will make zero actual difference to the environment, except in wasted fossil fuels trying to place and maintain this thing.
7962
(11,841 posts)it certainly NEEDS to be tackled. A lot of our food comes from the ocean, and as this crap breaks up it gets into the fish and other sea creatures we eat. There are articles out there that cover this. Heres one:
https://serc.carleton.edu/NAGTWorkshops/health/case_studies/plastics.html
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)Do you like plastic microparticles getting into the air your breath? The fish you eat? The seaweed that makes part of your ice cream? Birds eat the plastic and small particles in the fish and poop it on the land. Particles that collect and retain toxins and pollutants that then release in the bodies.
It is much more efficient to have a machine scoop up garbage floating concentrated in a patch on the ocean than having lots of people scour a bushy river edge.
Read the excerpt. It will be essentially done in ten years. Half in 5 years. That's tens and hundreds times more cleanup than could be done of rivers in that time for that money. No gnat.
FSogol
(45,481 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,311 posts)You have to collect the large bits first. And those are more concentrated at "bushy river edges" than in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.
If you read the Fast Company article that got the Independent to write this (they link to it), you find:
https://www.fastcompany.com/40560810/the-revolutionary-giant-ocean-cleanup-machine-is-about-to-set-sail
The graph Slat is standing in front of, in the Independent article, shows it won't be done in 10 years either. The early gains are fast; it gets harder after that (collecting small bits without killing all the fish is hard).
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)Capperdan
(492 posts)I'm glad to hear of the cleanup effort
kag
(4,079 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I also pretend that what I cannot understand is waste. We get to maintain the pretense of cleverness (to ourselves at least) whether reality warrants it or not.
HeartachesNhangovers
(814 posts)Halloween crap (a lot of which is probably made of plastic):
https://nrf.com/resources/consumer-research-and-data/holiday-spending/halloween-headquarters
This is money well spent just to remind people that all the stuff they buy doesn't just disappear when they throw it away.
notdarkyet
(2,226 posts)tclambert
(11,085 posts)Now that we have dirtied up the whole planet and near-Earth orbit, we need to move on to a different planet.
FSogol
(45,481 posts)notdarkyet
(2,226 posts)IronLionZion
(45,433 posts)All that plastic garbage is killing a lot of sea animals in the worst way. I hope some of that plastic can be recycled into something good, maybe pavement for roads. or building supplies.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)It's shameful what people do to our environment. Shameful. We're doing it in space, now, too. People who have that trash should be required to foot the bill to clean it up. You mess it up, you clean it up.
malthaussen
(17,193 posts)It's been several years coming to fruition. But cool to see it finally in action.
-- Mal
CanonRay
(14,101 posts)but it started with a Roundup commercial, so no way.
ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)It disrupts the food chain.
The thing we all can do right now is avoid one-use plastic items. You know, things you use once like a food container, then throw away.
We don't use water bottles but are going to start buying juice in paper cartons rather than plastic. Things like that would make a difference if everyone did it. Yeah I know it would take an act of Congress...
WhiteTara
(29,704 posts)for conceiving of the idea and now seeing it work. Yeah next generation.
Calista241
(5,586 posts)Cold War Spook
(1,279 posts)If you want to do something that is not difficult to do to help the environment use cloth diapers. My wife and I used cloth diapers and did not find it a chore.