Soy "milk" may soon be targeted for not coming from cow
Source: SFGate
NEW YORK (AP) Soy and almond drinks don't come from cows, so regulators may soon ask them to stop calling themselves "milk."
The Food and Drug Administration is signaling that it plans to start enforcing a federal standard that defines "milk" as coming from the "milking of one or more healthy cows." To date, the agency has not aggressively gone after the proliferation of plant-based drinks labeled as milk.
FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb at a Politico event this week said that the agency must first notify food makers of plans to change enforcement rules. He said that will happen in about a year.
Milk producers have long called for such a crackdown. The Good Food Institute, which advocates for plant-based alternatives, says the term "milk" should be permitted with modifiers for nondairy drinks.
Read more: https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Soy-milk-may-soon-be-targeted-for-not-coming-13084885.php
I think 'milk' from goats is still milk.
I recall when I was a kid in the 1950's we had an elderly neighbor who raised a few goats and sold
"goat's milk fudge".
Renew Deal
(81,858 posts)I don't have an issue with extending it to Soy milk. I don't think it confuses people.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)And 30% think Chocolate Milk comes from brown cows.
Renew Deal
(81,858 posts)I thought Soy milk came from Vanilla soy's. Is that wrong?
christx30
(6,241 posts)soy milk is to find the tiny udders on the soy bean.
sandensea
(21,633 posts)nothing will help the dairy lobby.
IronLionZion
(45,440 posts)Much of the world has had soybean or nut milks for some time. It can be made at home with a blender. What else would they call such a drink?
Although they've also been trying to rename high fructose corn syrup to "corn sugar".
BumRushDaShow
(128,958 posts)That's why it's called "cheese product" versus "cheese" (e.g., stuff like Velveeta, etc). There are definitions and standards for what is considered "cheese" that have been established in the U.S. and the same goes for "milk" too.
This may impact "coconut milk" as well. Any of the "nut milks" may end up having some additional label be required to indicate that they are "non-dairy" (similar to the "non dairy creamers" which are not "cream", e.g., Coffeemate, etc), with "dairy" being restricted to animal (mammal) "milk" alone.
IronLionZion
(45,440 posts)I could see adding "nondairy" to the names for nut milks. But there's really not any better word than milk to describe almond or soy or coconut milk, which have existed for decades as natural products and are not necessarily an artificial chemical concoction like cheese product.
BumRushDaShow
(128,958 posts)They will usually work out drafts and release to the Federal Register for comments and that is when it will pretty much bog down as you might imagine how many comments will be submitted...
I think because something like "coconut milk" is so known by that term globally and historically (and you also now have a separate product being marketed as "coconut water", which has become an "in thing" ), they will probably need to leave that name and grandfather it in, but require addition of something that references it as "non-dairy".
It's just like what happened years ago with "juice". There are standards for what constitutes "fruit juice" and the percentage of liquid in the product actually sourced from fruit (vs whether most of the actual juice from a fruit is diluted with water with added flavoring and/or comes "from concentrate" ). Thus the "fruit juice" versus "fruit drink" labels. E.g., "Tang" that was marketed as if it were orange juice but is an orange-flavored "drink" (and starts out as a powder) vs 100% Florida orange juice, which is literally oranges smashed in a machine and the juice collected for bottling/packaging.
They may end up calling "Soy Milk" or "Almond Milk", "Soy Drink" and "Almond Drink".
crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)I saw things like "soy beverage' on the shelf. This was not cold and nowhere near the dairy section.
BumRushDaShow
(128,958 posts)that's another term - "beverage". You do have "shelf-stable" dairy (cow's milk) that would not be cold either, so in some instances, it also has to do with how the product is processed and whether it contains any preservatives and/or special pasteurization/vacuum packing that would not require refrigeration of the product (at all or until opened).
jmowreader
(50,557 posts)There already is a product called corn sugar. It comes in 50-pound bags.
IronLionZion
(45,440 posts)because it's also the name for dextrose used for making alcohol
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Haven't bought any cows milk in decades.
Cheese, I'm guilty but no cows milk straight up.
Call it Almond/Soy juice whatever, I'll still be buying it.
NCjack
(10,279 posts)lactose intolerant, consumption of this product will give you the most stinking and painful diarrhea imaginable."
Codeine
(25,586 posts)blow up the bathroom like a long-haul trucker. Looks like grandpa has been sneaking you ice cream again. . .
unblock
(52,220 posts)FSogol
(45,484 posts)the only one you knead.
vsrazdem
(2,177 posts)Cold War Spook
(1,279 posts)I'm not about to take it to the streets but just seems weird. On a little different subject, in normal times, does any other animal regularly drink the milk of a different species besides humans?
Blues Heron
(5,932 posts)no big mystery here!
Cold War Spook
(1,279 posts)Didn't think of that. I do like Grapenuts cereal.
FSogol
(45,484 posts)unc70
(6,113 posts)Some seem to like it a lot, many cats have no interest in other milk.
FSogol
(45,484 posts)person I was responding to asked.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)Of course, being labs, they basically love anything that their Dads are consuming
Rorey
(8,445 posts)I have been giving a nursing cat lactose free milk and she hasn't seemed to have any problems.
eppur_se_muova
(36,262 posts)Last edited Wed Jul 18, 2018, 02:44 PM - Edit history (1)
Vegetable oils instead of animal fats, otherwise not that much different. "Juice" usually means a solution in water, not an oil or emulsion. (But don't forget the vital distinction between juice and cider ! )
Will we have to rename milkweed next ?
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Almond slurry?
Tasty by any name.
mucifer
(23,542 posts)almonds or oats, a little salt, water, a little vanilla and a little maple syrup.
technically everything is made out of chemicals
The Mouth
(3,150 posts)Blues Heron
(5,932 posts)does that need to be clarified for the pinheads among us?
Coventina
(27,118 posts)C Moon
(12,213 posts)Javaman
(62,530 posts)Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)
Javaman This message was self-deleted by its author.
FSogol
(45,484 posts)What thou art promis'd. Yet do I fear thy nature,
It is too full o' th' milk of human kindness
To catch the nearest way.
OnlinePoker
(5,719 posts)Almond Breeze doesn't even have the word milk on the carton. It says non-dairy beverage.
eppur_se_muova
(36,262 posts)rock
(13,218 posts)It's smoother than milk, it's funner than milk!
rurallib
(62,414 posts)at least I think it was still going on.
Oleo could not be colored yellow. To make it look more palatable you had to buy yellow coloring and mix it in to the oleo at home.
Maybe I only know anything about this because my Dad was a Poobah at the local dairy. We only had butter and that usually came with a reminder how bad oleo was.
The dairy industry was going to stop that damned oleo from taking over butter's spot.
How has that worked out?
I haven't had animal milk nor butter for most of my adult life.
BumRushDaShow
(128,958 posts)"Margarine" = "Trans-fats" = "bad".
So the margarine industry was eventually pummeled and had to reformulate.
And yes - the oleo thing was due to WW2 rationing (per my parents who were teens/young adults in the '40s when that happened) but then later got a push through the '50s - '70s due to increases in coronary disease from "bad fats", where margarine was supposed to help reduce that issue. Eventually it was found that this cause/effect hypothesis wasn't really correct either, where the "substitute" made things worse. Anyway....
yewberry
(6,530 posts)Milk can't only be used to refer to cow milk. That's just stupid.
Breast milk
Goat milk
Sheep milk
(insert literally any mammal)'s milk
Milkweed
Milk of magnesia
Coconut milk
No one is confusing cow milk with any of the above.
24601
(3,962 posts)EllieBC
(3,014 posts)Everything else must be labeled "frozen dessert".
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)I recall "ice milk" as a frozen dessert similar to ice cream.
Haven't seen it in years.
jmowreader
(50,557 posts)DiverDave
(4,886 posts)Period.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)Has someone in their pocket.
Raine
(30,540 posts)they going go after coconuts too!
oberliner
(58,724 posts)jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)I spend a couple hours a day "milking" goats. I always thought I was getting "milk". Who knew?
jmowreader
(50,557 posts)Better idea: label animal origin milk with the name of the animal. Label plant origin milk beverage with the plant name.
Initech
(100,070 posts)"There's no soy milk because there's no soy tit!"
Justice
(7,188 posts)Doodley
(9,088 posts)DFW
(54,378 posts)Will they have to rename their iconic supervisor "Harvey Non-Dairy?"
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Youre watching the desperate flailings of a dairy industry that sees the writing on the wall.
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Steerpike
(2,692 posts)The dairy industry does not seem to be in any trouble...
Snellius
(6,881 posts)This makes no sense to anyone but the diary industry.
hunter
(38,311 posts)If I was doing it over again I'd have raised my kids without cow milk.
Most of the cow milk industry mistreats animals, severely damages the environment, and their advertising is lies.