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NickB79

(19,253 posts)
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 10:59 AM Aug 2018

Gun rights activists post plans for 3D firearms after judge's order blocking them

Source: NBC News

A coalition of gun rights advocates challenged a federal judge's order temporarily barring a Texas company from publishing blueprints on the web to make untraceable 3D-printed guns by publishing similar blueprints itself on Tuesday, saying such publications were protected by the First Amendment.

After years of litigation, U.S. District Judge Robert Lasnik issued a temporary restraining order earlier in the day blocking Defense Distributed of Austin, Texas, from relaunching on Wednesday with blueprints for plastic firearms that can be "printed" by machines using computer-assisted design, or CAD.

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/gun-rights-activists-post-plans-3d-firearms-after-judge-s-n896411



This could be very interesting to watch work it's way through the courts.
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Gun rights activists post plans for 3D firearms after judge's order blocking them (Original Post) NickB79 Aug 2018 OP
I'm this close jayschool2013 Aug 2018 #1
I would assume terrorists in other countries are trying to get their hands on this Equinox Moon Aug 2018 #2
Other sources point out Igel Aug 2018 #5
Not illegal DetroitLegalBeagle Aug 2018 #22
Owning an all plastic gun is prohibited by law, a 3D printed gun is legal... PoliticAverse Aug 2018 #28
To get around that the gun design has a simple nail incorporated. Kablooie Aug 2018 #57
Not sure. The almost-all-plastic gun is only a weak single shot pistol NickB79 Aug 2018 #6
I am assuming that this pazzyanne Aug 2018 #3
Depends if you feel their right to free speech was violated or not by banning CAD files NickB79 Aug 2018 #7
You mean like the freedom of speech at Charlotteville, NC? pazzyanne Aug 2018 #55
Some people do have a hard time with "Congress shall make no law"... PoliticAverse Aug 2018 #4
I am not sure that printing plastic gun plans falls under: Gore1FL Aug 2018 #9
Do you think printing information on how to make bombs does? n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2018 #10
I'm pretty sure bomb making isn't religion, assembly, or redressing the government. Gore1FL Aug 2018 #19
NO. because they passed "Top Secret" information oneshooter Aug 2018 #26
To be utterly pedantic The Mouth Aug 2018 #53
A more accurate question would be are books like "The Anarchist's Cookbook" Free Speech? ET Awful Aug 2018 #59
"... vast difference between printing information on how to do something and actually doing {it}." mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2018 #60
The answer is "freedom of speech." mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2018 #14
That's a bit of a stretch. nt Gore1FL Aug 2018 #15
No more than flag-burning, which Scalia held was Constitutionally protected. NT mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2018 #17
That's redressing the government. nt Gore1FL Aug 2018 #20
Let's look at the case: mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2018 #24
From your quote: Gore1FL Aug 2018 #34
No, I have an issue with plans for lethal weapons being equated to 'speech' groundloop Aug 2018 #12
Go to any Federal Depository Library and read Army weapons manuals. mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2018 #16
"Amazon can fix you right up" - indeed... PoliticAverse Aug 2018 #18
They've thought of everything. mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2018 #21
Does this apply to porn? n/t MicaelS Aug 2018 #25
Are you confusing "lethal weapons" with "Letha Weapons"? PoliticAverse Aug 2018 #41
No. MicaelS Aug 2018 #44
Generally, the law regards porn as free speech, with restrictions, most notably on child porn. mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2018 #51
Hahahahahaha. Thanks. NT mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2018 #45
Pornography created using consenting adults, Yes. NutmegYankee Aug 2018 #65
there are legal liabilities involved in publishing instructions with possible hazardous consequences DBoon Aug 2018 #29
Yes, but those are civil liability issues, for example see... PoliticAverse Aug 2018 #35
Another fine title from Loompanics Press, IIRC. Are they still around? Per Wikipedia: mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2018 #42
From 2011... FBI releases files on controversial booksellers Paladin and Loompanics PoliticAverse Aug 2018 #49
They are saying "congress shall make no law..." christx30 Aug 2018 #46
The threat against profit for gun industry sales is another matter. keithbvadu2 Aug 2018 #8
So, a judge is blocking a company from posting files that are already online. Amazing: mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2018 #11
Since your reference is a far right magazine, I find it to be a poor reference pazzyanne Aug 2018 #58
If anyone is killed with one of these, charge the bastards with murder. CanonRay Aug 2018 #13
What??? MicaelS Aug 2018 #23
You misunderstand CanonRay Aug 2018 #27
Ok I see now. MicaelS Aug 2018 #33
Good luck proving that case. nt NutmegYankee Aug 2018 #67
This whole pursuit of printed guns... MicaelS Aug 2018 #30
That, in itself, is protected speech. NT mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2018 #32
Sure, I agree. MicaelS Aug 2018 #36
More proof, if any were needed, that gun-fucks WANT to be able to sneak guns Aristus Aug 2018 #31
No it is not that. MicaelS Aug 2018 #37
But what is gun control but an attempt to rein in the incidents of mass murder in this country? Aristus Aug 2018 #38
Gun rights advocates don't care. MicaelS Aug 2018 #40
The Anarchist Cookbook braddy Aug 2018 #39
The one and only time I ever saw a copy, it was in the Spokane Public Library. mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2018 #43
It still sells in stores, people used to hate that kids were buying it. braddy Aug 2018 #48
I owned a copy 30 years ago. MicaelS Aug 2018 #50
Can't put this toothpaste back in the tube... targetpractice Aug 2018 #47
someone should post 3D plan for penis Fresh_Start Aug 2018 #52
Like that wasn't the second plan published... sarisataka Aug 2018 #54
Theory: All new technology is driven by porn... targetpractice Aug 2018 #56
Cell phone screens keep getting larger christx30 Aug 2018 #62
It's so you can play solo in the bathroom! appal_jack Aug 2018 #63
Good on you... appal_jack! targetpractice Aug 2018 #66
I was waiting for this to rear its ugly head discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2018 #69
Hotel Rwanda spike jones Aug 2018 #61
Nothing wrong with 3D printed guns Devil Child Aug 2018 #64
Free speech is free. *shrug* n/t X_Digger Aug 2018 #68

Igel

(35,320 posts)
5. Other sources point out
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 11:13 AM
Aug 2018

that these aren't the first 3D printer gun plans to be posted.

Perhaps these are the first with a corporation or company behind it as a foe?

Owning 3D guns is already illegal, I think I also heard.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(1,924 posts)
22. Not illegal
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 11:35 AM
Aug 2018

Provided it can be detected by metal detectors, they are legal. Most designs require some metal parts. Even the all plastic single shot pistol plan calls for a 6oz metal insert. Now, people making them could not include the metal inserts, but they could be risking failure of the gun when fired, if the metal was being used structurally.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
28. Owning an all plastic gun is prohibited by law, a 3D printed gun is legal...
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 11:44 AM
Aug 2018

if it complies with the "Undetectable Firearms Act" and other federal firearms legislation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undetectable_Firearms_Act

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
57. To get around that the gun design has a simple nail incorporated.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 01:40 PM
Aug 2018

It can easily be left out of the construction but is there just to comply with the law.

NickB79

(19,253 posts)
6. Not sure. The almost-all-plastic gun is only a weak single shot pistol
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 11:14 AM
Aug 2018

The other guns mentioned still use metal barrels, receivers, etc.

And then there's the problem of metal bullets and cartridges (though there is partially-plastic ammo out there).

The plans for these guns has been online for many years already; the files have been circulating on the dark Web despite court orders to restrict their releases because they were temporarily available when first created.

pazzyanne

(6,556 posts)
3. I am assuming that this
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 11:11 AM
Aug 2018

is an action taken by a "very fine" group of American "patriots" going against a judicial decision? I might believe a group of American treason weasels.

NickB79

(19,253 posts)
7. Depends if you feel their right to free speech was violated or not by banning CAD files
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 11:18 AM
Aug 2018

Like I said, this will be an interesting court case to watch.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
4. Some people do have a hard time with "Congress shall make no law"...
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 11:13 AM
Aug 2018

And not just Republicans, sadly.

Previous important court cases involving the dissemination of "dangerous munitions" information and ITAR...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernstein_v._United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junger_v._Daley

Gore1FL

(21,132 posts)
9. I am not sure that printing plastic gun plans falls under:
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 11:21 AM
Aug 2018

* establishment or exercise of religion.
* freedom of speech.
* freedom of the press.
* peacible assembly.
* petitioning the Government for a redress.

Gore1FL

(21,132 posts)
19. I'm pretty sure bomb making isn't religion, assembly, or redressing the government.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 11:32 AM
Aug 2018

Was it Free speech when Julius and Ethel Rosenberg transmitted nuclear weapon designs?

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)
26. NO. because they passed "Top Secret" information
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 11:43 AM
Aug 2018

They were found guilty in a Federal Court, found guilty, and paid the price for their treason.

The Mouth

(3,150 posts)
53. To be utterly pedantic
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 12:28 PM
Aug 2018

It wasn't "Treason", as that requires a declared state of war (in other words it is technically impossible to use outside of a war declared by Congress, so there hasn't been a case of Treason since the end of WW2; a fact of great amusement to this Political Science major as both right and left have used the term in ignorant rage for 60+ years). It was "Espionage".

ET Awful

(24,753 posts)
59. A more accurate question would be are books like "The Anarchist's Cookbook" Free Speech?
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 01:48 PM
Aug 2018

The answer is indisputably yes. There is a vast difference between printing information on how to do something and actually doing that thing.

The Anarchist's Cookbook has plans for many types of bombs, it is considered protected speech.

There are hundreds of books on hacking into computer systems. Free speech.

Either you value free speech or you don't. Would you rather it be referred to as free press since it's published information?

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,489 posts)
60. "... vast difference between printing information on how to do something and actually doing {it}."
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 01:55 PM
Aug 2018

Thank you. If it were possible for me to award you with some sort of prize over the interwebs, I would do so.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,489 posts)
24. Let's look at the case:
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 11:41 AM
Aug 2018
Texas v. Johnson

Texas v. Johnson, 491 U.S. 397 (1989),[1], was a decision by the Supreme Court of the United States that invalidated prohibitions on desecrating the American flag enforced in 48 of the 50 states. Justice William Brennan wrote for a five-justice majority in holding that the defendant Gregory Lee Johnson's act of flag burning was protected speech under the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. Johnson was represented by attorneys David D. Cole and William Kunstler.
....

The Supreme Court's decision

The opinion of the Court came down as a controversial 5–4 decision, with the majority opinion delivered by William J. Brennan, Jr. and Justices Thurgood Marshall, Harry Blackmun, Antonin Scalia, and Anthony Kennedy joining Brennan, with Kennedy also writing a concurrence.

The Court first considered the question of whether the First Amendment to the United States Constitution protected non-speech acts, since Johnson was convicted of flag desecration rather than verbal communication, and, if so, whether Johnson's burning of the flag constituted expressive conduct, which would permit him to invoke the First Amendment in challenging his conviction.

The First Amendment specifically disallows the abridgment of "speech," but the court reiterated its long recognition that its protection does not end at the spoken or written word. This was concluded based on the 1931 case Stromberg v. California, which ruled the display of a red flag as speech, and the 1969 case Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District, which ruled the wearing of a black armband as speech.

The Court rejected "the view that an apparently limitless variety of conduct can be labeled 'speech' whenever the person engaging in the conduct intends thereby to express an idea," but acknowledged that conduct may be "sufficiently imbued with elements of communication to fall within the scope of the First and Fourteenth Amendments." In deciding whether particular conduct possesses sufficient communicative elements to bring the First Amendment into play, the court asked whether "an intent to convey a particularized message was present, and [whether] the likelihood was great that the message would be understood by those who viewed it."

The Court found that, under the circumstances, Johnson's burning of the flag "constituted expressive conduct, permitting him to invoke the First Amendment." "Occurring as it did at the end of a demonstration coinciding with the Republican National Convention, the expressive, overtly political nature of the conduct was both intentional and overwhelmingly apparent." The court concluded that, while "the government generally has a freer hand in restricting expressive conduct than it has in restricting the written or spoken word," it may not "proscribe particular conduct because it has expressive elements."

Texas had conceded, however, that Johnson's conduct was expressive in nature. Thus, the key question considered by the Court was "whether Texas has asserted an interest in support of Johnson's conviction that is unrelated to the suppression of expression."

At oral argument, the state defended its statute on two grounds: first, that states had a compelling interest in preserving a venerated national symbol; and second, that the state had a compelling interest in preventing breaches of the peace.

As to the "breach of the peace" justification, however, the Court found that "no disturbance of the peace actually occurred or threatened to occur because of Johnson's burning of the flag," and Texas conceded as much. The Court rejected Texas's claim that flag burning is punishable on the basis that it "tends to incite" breaches of the peace, citing the test from the 1969 case Brandenburg v. Ohio that the state may only punish speech that would incite "imminent lawless action," finding that flag burning does not always pose an imminent threat of lawless action. The Court noted that Texas already punished "breaches of the peace" directly.
....

When the Supreme Court ruled to allow American flag burning

June 21, 2018 by NCC Staff

On June 21, 1989, a deeply divided United States Supreme Court upheld the rights of protesters to burn the American flag in a landmark First Amendment decision.
....

In 1984, Gregory Lee Johnson burned a flag at the Republican National Convention in Dallas. Officials in Texas arrested Johnson and convicted him of breaking a state law; he was sentenced to one year in prison and ordered to pay a $2,000 fine. ... In reaction to the Johnson decision, which only applied to the state of Texas, Congress passed an anti-flag burning law called the Flag Protection Act of 1989. But in 1990, the Court struck down that law as unconstitutional.

“If there is a bedrock principle underlying the First Amendment, it is that the Government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea itself offensive or disagreeable,” said Justice William Brennan.

The case remains controversial to the present day, and Congress has, as recently as 2006, attempted to amend the Constitution to prohibit flag desecration, with the effort failing by one vote in the Senate.

In one of his last public events, Scalia explained why he cast the deciding vote in the Johnson case, on the principal of a textual reading of the First Amendment. “If it were up to me, I would put in jail every sandal-wearing, scruffy-bearded weirdo who burns the American flag,” Scalia said at a November 2015 event in Philadelphia. “But I am not king.”

Gore1FL

(21,132 posts)
34. From your quote:
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 11:49 AM
Aug 2018

"The Court rejected "the view that an apparently limitless variety of conduct can be labeled 'speech' whenever the person engaging in the conduct intends thereby to express an idea,"

QED

groundloop

(11,519 posts)
12. No, I have an issue with plans for lethal weapons being equated to 'speech'
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 11:23 AM
Aug 2018

It's my opinion that the idea of 'speech' has over the years morphed to something much different than what was intended in the Bill of Rights, having been manipulated by special interests.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,489 posts)
16. Go to any Federal Depository Library and read Army weapons manuals.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 11:28 AM
Aug 2018
Federal Depository Library Program (FDLP)

They've been available for decades.

Or, buy one and read it in the privacy of your own home.

Amazon can fix you right up.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,489 posts)
51. Generally, the law regards porn as free speech, with restrictions, most notably on child porn.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 12:12 PM
Aug 2018

That doesn't mean I want to see it. If someone else does, though, that's his choice.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
65. Pornography created using consenting adults, Yes.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 06:09 PM
Aug 2018

In fact the Miller test makes it practically impossible to ban. Especially with contemporary community standards and artistic value.

3 Parts to the Test:

1 Whether "the average person, applying contemporary community standards", would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest,
2 Whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct or excretory functions[3] specifically defined by applicable state law,
3 Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.[4]

DBoon

(22,369 posts)
29. there are legal liabilities involved in publishing instructions with possible hazardous consequences
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 11:45 AM
Aug 2018

Navigation maps for maritime and aviation use for one.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,489 posts)
42. Another fine title from Loompanics Press, IIRC. Are they still around? Per Wikipedia:
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 12:01 PM
Aug 2018

First of all, it wasn't Loompanics Press.

Loompanics

Loompanics Unlimited was an American book seller and publisher specializing in nonfiction on generally unconventional or controversial topics. The topics in their title list included drugs, weapons, anarchism, sex, conspiracy theories, and so on. Many of their titles describe some kind of illicit or extralegal actions, such as Counterfeit I.D. Made Easy, while others are purely informative, like Opium for the Masses. Loompanics was in business for nearly 30 years. The publisher and editor was Michael Hoy.

Mike Hoy started Loompanics Unlimited in East Lansing, Michigan, in 1975. He later moved the business to Port Townsend, Washington, where his friend and fellow publisher R. W. Bradford had earlier located.

In January 2006, Loompanics announced that it was going out of business, and that it was selling off its inventory. In the spring of 2006, Paladin Press announced that it acquired the rights to 40 titles previously published or sold by Loompanics, including the works of Claire Wolfe, Eddie the Wire, and other popular Loompanics authors.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
46. They are saying "congress shall make no law..."
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 12:06 PM
Aug 2018

is valid. And judges are judicial, not legislative, so they can’t make law at all. All they do is interpret existing law.
If you feel the government, particularly judges, is taking too many powers, you do something like this as a confrontational, “now what? What you gonna do?”
One of the comments about this said, “how many divisions does this judge command?”

keithbvadu2

(36,829 posts)
8. The threat against profit for gun industry sales is another matter.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 11:20 AM
Aug 2018

NRA supporters would rather have dead children than gun control.

To the gun industry, dead children are merely collateral damage/acceptable losses for gun industry profits and political donations.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/27/joe-the-plumber-guns_n_5397981.html

Joe The Plumber: ‘Your Dead Kids Don’t Trump My Constitutional Rights’ To Have Guns

The threat against profit for gun industry sales is another matter.

The gun source states and gun stores could lose some serious sales and smuggling would decrease.

Street sales prices would go down.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,489 posts)
11. So, a judge is blocking a company from posting files that are already online. Amazing:
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 11:23 AM
Aug 2018
WouldOrWouldn'tHat Retweeted:

So, a judge is blocking a company from posting files that are already online. It’s enacting a prior restraint against the spread of information that is already available to anyone. Amazing:



THE CORNER
POLITICS & POLICY

A Federal Judge Launches a Futile, Unconstitutional Effort to Block Blueprints for 3D-Printed Guns

By DAVID FRENCH
July 31, 2018 8:04 PM

If there’s a hall of fame for futile, symbolic, and ultimately unconstitutional federal court orders, the temporary restraining order just issued in Seattle blocking Defense Distributed and the Second Amendment Foundation from posting blueprints for 3D-printed guns deserves at least a plaque, if not a full display. The court’s order temporarily overturns a Trump administration legal settlement that reversed an Obama-era policy designed mainly to limit the spread of the relevant files abroad, not here at home. I love NPR’s sardonic Twitter response:

It’s unclear how the temporary order can be enforced. The plans were already placed online days ago and downloaded thousands of times and posted online elsewhere.


....

pazzyanne

(6,556 posts)
58. Since your reference is a far right magazine, I find it to be a poor reference
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 01:40 PM
Aug 2018

for my support for anything that is said there. I use these type of sites for perspective, not necessarily for fact. Just saying.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
23. What???
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 11:41 AM
Aug 2018

Anyone who kills someone with a normal gun can be charged with murder. What difference does it make if it's a plastic gun?

CanonRay

(14,104 posts)
27. You misunderstand
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 11:44 AM
Aug 2018

You cannot charge gun manufacturers with murder for making a gun. I'm saying charge those who published the plans with conspiracy to murder if someone is killed with one of these plastic guns.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
30. This whole pursuit of printed guns...
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 11:45 AM
Aug 2018

Is just a great big "Fuck You" to the advocates of Gun Control.

They are trying to prove that if you can print a gun, all Gun Control is useless, and shouldn't even be attempted.

I watched CBS News interview with the guy in Austin and the journalist stated he has a tombstone outside his office that has "American Gun Control" engraved on it.

Aristus

(66,388 posts)
31. More proof, if any were needed, that gun-fucks WANT to be able to sneak guns
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 11:47 AM
Aug 2018

through metal detectors, the better to facilitate mass-murder...

Aristus

(66,388 posts)
38. But what is gun control but an attempt to rein in the incidents of mass murder in this country?
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 11:54 AM
Aug 2018

It happens so rarely in countries with comprehensive gun control that it is statistically negligible.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
40. Gun rights advocates don't care.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 11:57 AM
Aug 2018

They have no empathy or sympathy for anyone but themselves.

See the quote from Joe the Plumber earlier in the thread. That is a dead serious mindset with people like that.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,489 posts)
43. The one and only time I ever saw a copy, it was in the Spokane Public Library.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 12:03 PM
Aug 2018

I've heard that you're better off not following its instructions.

targetpractice

(4,919 posts)
47. Can't put this toothpaste back in the tube...
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 12:07 PM
Aug 2018

Welcome to the future.

These will be pirated, distributed on the dark web, etc. Remember what Naptster did to record sales? I don't see how the NRA will support this if they are gun sales lobby.

Watch for the NRA to suddenly support strict regulations of ammo and 3-D printer sales.

I remember when color copiers became so good that it was required that they install chips to prevent copying paper money. Expect the same here.

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
52. someone should post 3D plan for penis
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 12:27 PM
Aug 2018

with choice of length and girth...

divert gun-idiots from penis substitute...back to penis itself

targetpractice

(4,919 posts)
56. Theory: All new technology is driven by porn...
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 01:34 PM
Aug 2018

Theory: All new technology is driven by porn... Examples...

1) The printing press;
3) Magazines;
3) Stag films drove the sales of home Super 8mm projectors'
2) VHS won over Betamax because Sony wouldn't license to porn producers;
3) Dirty secret of ecommerce in the late 1990s... Advances in rapid credit card processing were driven by porn sites (eliminate delays);
4) Streaming formats in early 2000s... Steve Jobs wouldn't license QuickTime to porn producers... We got RealPlayer and Windows Media;
5) Sony learned the lesson and licensed Blu-Ray to porn producers...

Now we are entering an age of augmented reality, 3D printed stuff, etc... It's not surprise that the 3D printed penises are a thing.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
62. Cell phone screens keep getting larger
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 05:36 PM
Aug 2018

for a reason. And it’s not so you can watch Solo in the bathroom.

spike jones

(1,680 posts)
61. Hotel Rwanda
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 05:12 PM
Aug 2018

Remember the scene in Hotel Rwanda where wood boxes are being uncrated and out pour hundreds of machetes for the citizens to use? This is then.

 

Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
64. Nothing wrong with 3D printed guns
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 05:51 PM
Aug 2018

It is currently legal to assemble a firearm from scratch or parts for personal use. 3D printers and blueprints are another way to facilitate this and nothing to freak out about in my opinion. Besides, there is no way to stop this information.

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