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Fri Aug 10, 2018, 12:47 PM

Paul Manafort trial: Judge abruptly recesses trial, reminds jury not to discuss the case

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Source: USA Today

The bank and tax fraud trial of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort was abruptly recessed Friday morning, casting doubt that the government could rest its case by day’s end.

U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III, who huddled privately with prosecutors and defense lawyers at the bench for most of the morning, excused the jury until 1:45 p.m., and did not reveal the reason for the delay.

Before adjourning, Ellis offered an unusually emphatic instruction to the jurors that they should not discuss the case with others or among themselves until all the evidence was in.

Ellis also reminded the panel that Manafort, who was seated at the defense table, is presumed innocent of the 18 criminal counts lodged against him.

Read more: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/08/10/paul-manafort-trial-judge-jury-friday-update/956821002/

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Reply Paul Manafort trial: Judge abruptly recesses trial, reminds jury not to discuss the case (Original post)
Calista241 Aug 10 OP
MattP Aug 10 #1
Bernardo de La Paz Aug 10 #10
ArizonaLib Aug 10 #18
radical noodle Aug 10 #2
kimbutgar Aug 10 #3
C Moon Aug 10 #17
turbinetree Aug 10 #4
Equinox Moon Aug 10 #5
Dopers_Greed Aug 10 #6
Perseus Aug 10 #7
ChiTownDenny Aug 10 #11
JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 10 #15
democratisphere Aug 10 #8
Calista241 Aug 10 #13
spinbaby Aug 10 #9
SayItLoud Aug 10 #12
UpInArms Aug 10 #14
Bernardo de La Paz Aug 10 #26
canetoad Aug 10 #16
Bernardo de La Paz Aug 10 #19
ArizonaLib Aug 10 #20
ArizonaLib Aug 10 #21
Bernardo de La Paz Aug 10 #25
canetoad Aug 10 #22
ArizonaLib Aug 10 #23
Dopers_Greed Aug 10 #24
muriel_volestrangler Aug 10 #27

Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 12:55 PM

1. Judge Ellis can anyone think of a more inappropriate judge

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Response to MattP (Reply #1)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 01:18 PM

10. Not so fast. I've read on DU that he is tough but runs a tight court & lawyers respect him. . . . nt

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #10)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 02:38 PM

18. Ha! I have read some awful things about him on DU!

Anyone can look in any biography on him that he has dismissed many wrongful death lawsuits against corporations only to later to see those same corporations settle with each defendant (case in point, Blackwater).

Conservative d-bags are always apologizing for each other.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 12:55 PM

2. I almost wish for a new trial with a different judge

This one has been pretty outrageous.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 12:56 PM

3. I wonder if this judge is working with the repukes and the orange maggot?

He seems to not be too partial of a judge. I think he has been corrupted or being paid off.

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Response to kimbutgar (Reply #3)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 02:28 PM

17. That's what it's souding like to me. "I have to talk to someone before we continue..." (my words)

GOPutin couldn't stop it, so they got to the judge.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 12:56 PM

4. This smells like a mistrial..................all the way...........

this jury should have been sequestered ....................unfucking believable, lets see what happens around 2:00 PM EST .............................

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 12:57 PM

5. Something fishy going on with this judge.

Corruption? RW radical? His age is kicking out some cognitive issues?

He was appointed my Reagan. He is 78 years old.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 12:58 PM

6. I'm really surprised that the jury wasn't sequestered

Info on the trial is literally everywhere. I can't even go out to eat, or to the gym, without seeing Faux News defending Manafort.

It's probably impossible for the jurors to avoid outside info.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 01:05 PM

7. ***BREAKING*** The judge has been offered the post of Secretary of the Army

by Paul Manafort...His recess was to make some calls to some generals to start preparing for his future role.

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Response to Perseus (Reply #7)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 01:20 PM

11. + 1

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Response to Perseus (Reply #7)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 02:03 PM

15. Or Secretary of the Space Force

the job has to go to somebody, right?

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 01:11 PM

8. Just another example for abolishing lifetime appointments!

Power and lifetime appointments may corrupt absolutely!

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #8)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 01:48 PM

13. I'd rather judges be lifetime appointments than elected officials.

Maybe if you shorten the term of the appointment to 10 years. But still, that cuts both ways.

Does anyone here think W Bush would have re-appointed RBG to the court?

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 01:14 PM

9. Having recently been a juror, this does not seem unusual

My jury duty came with constant reminders not to talk about the case, look at news about the case, or investigate the case in any way. Also constant reminders that the defendant was assumed to be innocent.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 01:45 PM

12. ManaFART smiling, secret discussions with Judge: I smell

Mistrial due to jury either seeing or discussing verboten stuff.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 01:57 PM

14. A re-enactment of Judge Ito?

🤦🏽‍♀️

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Response to UpInArms (Reply #14)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 02:56 PM

26. No

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 02:13 PM

16. This would not be a surprise

To anyone who watched Rachel on Thursday.

The prosecution was expected to complete it's case on Friday, with the calling of two witnesses who have been given immunity; John Brennan and Dennis Raico. These two are supposedly connected to the Federal Savings Bank of Chicago, the bank that loaned Manafort millions.

The founder of this bank, Stephen Calk, worked on the Trump campaign as a financial adviser and he is the guy who believed that Manafort had cleared the way to his becoming Secretary of the Army.

The problem is that the judge made it perfectly clear that the Trump campaign was not to be brought up at this particular trial; the calling of these witnesses make the mention of Trump's campaign almost inevitable.

So please everyone, hold your horses. Stop indulging in conspiracies about the Judge, and wait to see how this plays out.

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Response to canetoad (Reply #16)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 02:41 PM

19. Finally some analysis and not knee-jerk reactions. Thank you. . . . nt

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Response to canetoad (Reply #16)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 02:42 PM

20. Ellis was wrong to give those instructions

He has even had to apologize to the jurors for his court behavior. This judge is not a rookie - he is very experienced and stinks to high heaven of Republican corruption.

Republicans are totally immoral. Family values? Families in cages!

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Response to ArizonaLib (Reply #20)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 02:47 PM

21. Not only that, but Ellis allowed the witnesses in court

Ellis does not hesitate to admonish the prosecution for anything he doesn't like or favors the defense. Manafort must look really guilty if Ellis continues to emphasize that the jury not discuss the case. If Ellis calls a mistrial, it is to give the Republicans a break before the election. If anyone deserves to request a mistrial it would be the prosecution. A judge that cannot keep it together for a paper trial should be disbarred.

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Response to ArizonaLib (Reply #21)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 02:54 PM

25. You forget the second Manafort trial. No, a mistrial would not give them a break. . . . nt

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Response to ArizonaLib (Reply #20)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 02:49 PM

22. You're talking about two different things here

Yes, there was an apology, but it was because the Judge spoke harshly to attorney/s. The agreement to not mention Trump campaign was made at the beginning - possibly to avoid contaminating the next Manafort trial.

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Response to canetoad (Reply #22)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 02:53 PM

23. Nope - both points show Judge Ellis is biased

He apologized after the prosecutors complained in writing. It is not within the judge's scope to worry about an unrelated trial.

Ellis is corrupt - it's obvious.

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Response to canetoad (Reply #22)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 02:54 PM

24. I agree with the not bringing up Trump thing

The crimes Manafort's currently on trial for happened prior to the Trump campaign. Having Trump factor into the trial would just bias the jury.

Unless of course, a MAGAt already happened to get onto this jury, lied during voir dire, and will refuse to convict. Which is what I'm worried about.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 02:58 PM

27. Locking - duplicate thread

of https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142130761 . The Washington Post page that links to had been updated with this delay, and they have since restarted, so this doesn't seem an important development that needs its own thread.

Please continue discussion in the other thread. Thanks.

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