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herding cats

(19,564 posts)
Fri Aug 17, 2018, 12:53 PM Aug 2018

Officials worry Trump may back Erik Prince plan to privatize war in Afghanistan

Source: NBC

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump is increasingly venting frustration to his national security team about the U.S. strategy in Afghanistan and showing renewed interest in a proposal by Blackwater founder Erik Prince to privatize the war, current and former senior administration officials said.

Prince's idea, which first surfaced last year during the president's Afghanistan strategy review, envisions replacing troops with private military contractors who would work for a special U.S. envoy for the war who would report directly to the president.

It has raised ethical and security concerns among senior military officials, key lawmakers and members of Trump's national security team. A year after Trump's strategy announcement, his advisers are worried his impatience with the Afghanistan conflict will cause him to seriously consider proposals like Prince's or abruptly order a complete U.S. withdrawal, officials said.

In an interview with NBC News, Prince said he believes Trump advisers who oppose his plan are painting "as rosy a picture as they can" of the situation on the ground, including that "peace is around the corner" with recent U.S. efforts for peace talks with the Taliban. He said he believes Trump's advisers "over-emphasize the fluff and flare of these so-called peace talks."

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Officials worry Trump may back Erik Prince plan to privatize war in Afghanistan (Original Post) herding cats Aug 2018 OP
No problem: if the members of the national security team insist on speaking freely, Trump mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2018 #1
Who will rescue the mercenaries when things go wrong? Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #2
IIRC barbtries Aug 2018 #8
YUP !!!!! Nail on head..... pangaia Aug 2018 #14
So taxpayers are going to be funding this item.................. turbinetree Aug 2018 #3
+1. Democrats MUST win back the House. dalton99a Aug 2018 #10
THIS! BumRushDaShow Aug 2018 #17
Yepper, spot on turbinetree Aug 2018 #21
What could possibly go wrong? radical noodle Aug 2018 #4
Warcrimes for profit, directed by Betsy DeVos's blackwater brother, paid for by taxpayers. MAGA Freethinker65 Aug 2018 #5
So Eric Prince wants a cut of Afghanistan's heroin trade/ DBoon Aug 2018 #6
Looks like Betsy DeVos' brother needs a job to become even wealthier. democratisphere Aug 2018 #7
Prince got two of his mercs hung up on a bridge in Fallujah. Four killed. keithbvadu2 Aug 2018 #9
Wasn't that the event that W used to ramp up the war MarcA Aug 2018 #23
Socialize the costs, privatize the profits n/t hibbing Aug 2018 #11
They are slowly privatizing all aspects of our government CrispyQ Aug 2018 #12
+1 Kurt V. Aug 2018 #16
For-profut schools, for-profit healthcare, for-profit armies. Lonestarblue Aug 2018 #13
They intend this to become his SS. docgee Aug 2018 #15
The Joint Chiefs need to slam the brakes on this foolishness Submariner Aug 2018 #18
How many DUers knew 140 Afghan forces and 60 civilians died in the fight for Ghazni last week? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2018 #19
They will all be required to sign loyalty oaths to Trump HAB911 Aug 2018 #20
Oath of Allegiance - Pre and post 1934 keithbvadu2 Aug 2018 #22
Go ahead and privatize BillyBobBrilliant Aug 2018 #24
Heavens to Betsy, if that didn't payoff! Thanks sis! nt Lucky Luciano Aug 2018 #25
Trump will back whomever jerks him off the most. apnu Aug 2018 #26
Right after Mexico pays for the wall Progressive dog Aug 2018 #27
Between Dipsquat DeVoss and Not So Principled, We Could Just Subcontract the USA to AMWAY! DoctorJoJo Aug 2018 #28
...Mattis and Pompeo both oppose Prince's plan, officials said. riversedge Aug 2018 #29
Wow COOL!!! flotsam Aug 2018 #30

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,425 posts)
1. No problem: if the members of the national security team insist on speaking freely, Trump
Fri Aug 17, 2018, 12:56 PM
Aug 2018

can simply take away their security clearances and give one to Erik Prince. Mission accomplished.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
2. Who will rescue the mercenaries when things go wrong?
Fri Aug 17, 2018, 12:56 PM
Aug 2018

Troops are only one facet of a war. There is all of the logistics and air command and special forces and heavy weapons and specialists, etc.

turbinetree

(24,695 posts)
3. So taxpayers are going to be funding this item..................
Fri Aug 17, 2018, 12:58 PM
Aug 2018

I don't fucking think so...................if this asshole wants to play war in Afghanistan, then he can take his Amway dollars and have at it..........


November 2018 cannot get here fast enough....................vote

turbinetree

(24,695 posts)
21. Yepper, spot on
Fri Aug 17, 2018, 03:18 PM
Aug 2018

and we will be taking back "our" House................


November 2018 cannot get here fast enough................vote

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
7. Looks like Betsy DeVos' brother needs a job to become even wealthier.
Fri Aug 17, 2018, 01:18 PM
Aug 2018

Keeping it all in the family of corruption.

keithbvadu2

(36,788 posts)
9. Prince got two of his mercs hung up on a bridge in Fallujah. Four killed.
Fri Aug 17, 2018, 01:36 PM
Aug 2018

Prince got two of his mercs hung up on a bridge in Fallujah. Four killed.

Prince's incompetence does not car about his men. Just money to him.

CrispyQ

(36,461 posts)
12. They are slowly privatizing all aspects of our government
Fri Aug 17, 2018, 02:14 PM
Aug 2018

& people are oblivious to it, cuz they've bought the lie that private industry can do it better & cheaper than government. Soon, they will own our government, lock, stock, & barrel.

Lonestarblue

(9,981 posts)
13. For-profut schools, for-profit healthcare, for-profit armies.
Fri Aug 17, 2018, 02:17 PM
Aug 2018

Add for-profit prisons and for-profit immigrant detainment cages. Capitalism run amuck. Republicans are turning this country into one giant profit center, with the most money going to the most corrupt. I can just see another Iraq debacle with the Prince private army, killing people at will and spending taxpayer dollars to support lavish lifestyles at the top. A private army serving the president is the next step toward the president becoming dictator for life. No accountability, no answers for the press—just the way Trump likes things.

Submariner

(12,503 posts)
18. The Joint Chiefs need to slam the brakes on this foolishness
Fri Aug 17, 2018, 02:57 PM
Aug 2018

American mercenaries running rampant through Afghanistan is madness. Didn't we learn our lesson in Iraq?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,311 posts)
19. How many DUers knew 140 Afghan forces and 60 civilians died in the fight for Ghazni last week?
Fri Aug 17, 2018, 03:10 PM
Aug 2018

I'm just wondering how believable, to the American public, the "peace with the Taliban is around the corner" claim, when the Taliban has just tried to capture a provincial capital, population around 140,000, on the Kabul-Kandahar Highway?

See https://www.democraticunderground.com/113321961

Not that I trust Prince an inch, but he is right to rubbish 'imminent peace' claims.

HAB911

(8,890 posts)
20. They will all be required to sign loyalty oaths to Trump
Fri Aug 17, 2018, 03:17 PM
Aug 2018

so that when they come home, he has his ready made SS

keithbvadu2

(36,788 posts)
22. Oath of Allegiance - Pre and post 1934
Fri Aug 17, 2018, 03:28 PM
Aug 2018

Oath of Allegiance - Pre and post 1934
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-fuehrer-oath

(before August 2, 1934)
"I swear by almighty God this sacred oath:
I will at all times loyally and honestly
serve my people and country
and, as a brave soldier,
I will be ready at any time
to stake my life for this oath."

The Fuehrer Oath
(effective August 2, 1934)
"I swear by almighty God this sacred oath:
I will render unconditional obedience
to the Fuehrer of the German Reich and people, Adolf Hitler,
Supreme Commander of the Wehrmacht,
and, as a brave soldier,
I will be ready at any time
to stake my life for this oath."

BillyBobBrilliant

(805 posts)
24. Go ahead and privatize
Fri Aug 17, 2018, 04:03 PM
Aug 2018

But, let the Blackwater stockholders pay the expenses, and let the citizens off the hook.

apnu

(8,756 posts)
26. Trump will back whomever jerks him off the most.
Fri Aug 17, 2018, 04:04 PM
Aug 2018

That's how it goes with that creep. Trump is easy to manipulate.

Progressive dog

(6,900 posts)
27. Right after Mexico pays for the wall
Fri Aug 17, 2018, 04:39 PM
Aug 2018

Trump will get Afghanistan to pay for Prince's mercenaries. Trump Taj Mahal of Kabul and Trump Mexican Wall Condos are coming, bankruptcy of USA to follow.

riversedge

(70,204 posts)
29. ...Mattis and Pompeo both oppose Prince's plan, officials said.
Fri Aug 17, 2018, 07:02 PM
Aug 2018

Minds can change. damn


...Mattis and Pompeo both oppose Prince's plan, officials said. A senior State Department official said there's "not a chance" it will be adopted.

Asked for Bolton's view of Prince's idea, the NSC spokesperson declined to comment.
'I like following my instincts'

The security situation in Afghanistan has worsened in the year since Trump signed off on the current strategy, and there are increased concerns about government stability and corruption in Kabul. The Taliban continues to make gains, while the U.S. has renewed efforts for peace talks with the militant group.

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