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riversedge

(70,441 posts)
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 01:17 PM Sep 2018

Trump Lawyers Demand Mueller Probe 'Time Out' if Rosenstein is Ousted

Source: DAILYBEAST




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Trump Lawyers Demand Mueller Probe ‘Time Out’ if Rosenstein is Ousted

It’s not even clear yet if the deputy attorney general is actually going anywhere. But Trump’s lawyers still want his exit to block, if temporarily, the Russia investigation.

09.24.18 12:35 PM ET

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“If in fact Rod Rosenstein does end up resigning today,” Trump attorney Jay Sekulow said on his radio program on Monday, “I think it clearly becomes necessary and appropriate...that there be a step back taken here, and a review, a review that has to be thorough and complete...and basically a time out on this inquiry.”

Rudy Giuliani, President Trump’s lawyer and former New York City mayor, told The Daily Beast on Monday afternoon that he agrees with Sekulow’s call for a cessation of the investigation by special counsel Robert Mueller, in the event of Rosenstein’s ouster—which was reported to be near as of Monday morning.

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Sekulow reiterated that position on his radio show on Monday, suggesting that Rosenstein’s actions have contributed to an investigative culture inherently hostile to the president. An independent investigator, he said, “has to look at all these allegations both surrounding this inquiry and that initiated this inquiry,” he said, referring to alleged political bias among FBI investigators probing the Trump campaign and the so-called Steele Dossier’s role in prompting it. “How do you not address that with all of this going on?”

During his radio show, Sekulow endorsed an effort by Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) to appoint a second special counsel to investigate the probe undertaken by the first special counsel.

Read more: https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-lawyers-demand-mueller-probe-time-out-if-rosenstein-quits?ref=wrap



A pause.????? ha ha. They will kill it!!!










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Trump Lawyers Demand Mueller Probe 'Time Out' if Rosenstein is Ousted (Original Post) riversedge Sep 2018 OP
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA A Guilty Says What? byronius Sep 2018 #1
Every day bring more reason that the Republicans have to be kicked out of government. olegramps Sep 2018 #17
In hindsight looks like they just turned over all their cards before the river card bet! Thanks! Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #2
Yep! He just tipped his hand and he's got nothing FakeNoose Sep 2018 #18
Beginning to wonder if Mueller started the rumour to vaguely credible Axios? Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #21
It wouldn't seem to be Mueller's style to do something like that FakeNoose Sep 2018 #24
Mueller has never operated as an "optics" guy. Dave Starsky Sep 2018 #38
No, a "WH source" has been credited. lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #30
Here is a theory... Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #33
Plausible. Either way, somebody played Axios & NYT. lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #35
Your theory does make sense PJMcK Sep 2018 #32
Idiocracy in Action Roy Rolling Sep 2018 #3
Just remember, Trump does not set policy until Pres Hannity speaks. riversedge Sep 2018 #8
President Hannity. That's rich. zonkers Sep 2018 #15
Do not forget Secretary of State Tucker Carlson and the quiet Chief of Staff Rupert Murdoch. Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #22
A step back..right suckelow...the pedal is to the metal of that great big asiliveandbreathe Sep 2018 #4
Nice try... you crooks C_U_L8R Sep 2018 #5
Another big crock of shit from the Trumpsters. skylucy Sep 2018 #6
I just hope somebody has the nads to Cryptoad Sep 2018 #7
Something cooking in the kitchen-smells almost ready Stallion Sep 2018 #9
Same tactic as trying to eliminate abortion clinics. kairos12 Sep 2018 #10
Hahahahahaha! Downtown Hound Sep 2018 #11
People in Hell, want cold water too! n/t aggiesal Sep 2018 #12
Need to look at phony TBN Sekulow's financial ties. n/t MarcA Sep 2018 #13
A SECOND SPECIAL COUNSEL TO INVESTIGATE THE FIRST SPECIAL COUNSEL? Native Sep 2018 #14
LOL NewJeffCT Sep 2018 #16
Yeah, just like the GOP is delaying Kavanaugh for an investigation. sinkingfeeling Sep 2018 #19
Trump would be crazy to outright kill the probe, or have a deputy do it for him. Calista241 Sep 2018 #20
If RR is fired, Meuller reports to NO ONE Fiendish Thingy Sep 2018 #23
Mueller would report to Noel Francisco according to CNBC. Calista241 Sep 2018 #27
Same result- Meuller would them report to no one Fiendish Thingy Sep 2018 #34
That's not how the government works. Calista241 Sep 2018 #36
That's why it will be a Constitutional Crisis Fiendish Thingy Sep 2018 #37
I've got the perfect gif FreepFryer Sep 2018 #25
Sekulow and Giuliani? The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #26
10 days since last conviction Midnightwalk Sep 2018 #28
Trump's attorney has his own radio program? That's a reason to ignore anything he says muriel_volestrangler Sep 2018 #29
Hey, Sekulow... LudwigPastorius Sep 2018 #31
And hell's Mme. Defarge Sep 2018 #39
Should do this with Kavanaugh's SCOTUS hearing left-of-center2012 Sep 2018 #40
Mueller's investigation is into the influence Russia had on the 2016 election. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Sep 2018 #41
So... AM hate radio and Fox News run the country now? WTF? Initech Sep 2018 #42
Someone needs a time out Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2018 #43
Yep. I thought so...the new guy will need to be vetted for conflicts... Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #44

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
17. Every day bring more reason that the Republicans have to be kicked out of government.
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 01:44 PM
Sep 2018

I look forward to Nov 6 and the hope that Democrats can regain control of this nightmare. The conservatives are determined to transform the government into a theocracy run by virtual dictator and oligarchy of billionaires.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
2. In hindsight looks like they just turned over all their cards before the river card bet! Thanks!
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 01:22 PM
Sep 2018

Axios may have indavertentlh done us a huge favor by getting even fucking lawyers to jump the gun!

Even lawyers get caught up in the electronic version of bread and circuses, as Obama just warned about.

FakeNoose

(32,883 posts)
18. Yep! He just tipped his hand and he's got nothing
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 01:45 PM
Sep 2018

Rosenstein will not resign, because of what would happen next. It would mean that Cheeto could appoint any right-wing toady to replace him, who would immediately fire Mueller.

Only Cheeto can fire Rosenstein, not John Kelly, or Sessions or anybody else. If he does fire Rosenstein, look for a huge protest all over this country to happen immediately and right in his face. We will see civil disobedience like we haven't seen since 1968. Just in time for the November elections too.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
21. Beginning to wonder if Mueller started the rumour to vaguely credible Axios?
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 02:11 PM
Sep 2018

And to lend credibility...Rosenstein already had a scheduled meeting at the WH...when Shitler sure to be tied up in New York...that make any sense or is it time for a nap?

FakeNoose

(32,883 posts)
24. It wouldn't seem to be Mueller's style to do something like that
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 02:18 PM
Sep 2018

... but these are desperate times. So who knows?

I know one thing: I trust Robert Mueller and I'm sure that he and Rosenstein are 3 steps ahead of Cheeto at all times.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
38. Mueller has never operated as an "optics" guy.
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 03:04 PM
Sep 2018

His team has been working in almost complete radio silence from day one. And why shouldn't they? The law is the law. Our legal process doesn't give a shit about how many Instagram views came in for you today or how many Facebook likes you have. If you break the law, and there is evidence to support it, you're fucked.

Trump and his GOP enablers, on the other hand, think that everything can be "spun". To them, justice happens in the court of public opinion. They need to get their "message" out there. So they work the crowd with their cable news and Tweets to, ultimately, get 30% of the US population supporting them. In the meantime, the rest of the population hates them, and the law is STILL the law.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
30. No, a "WH source" has been credited.
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 02:41 PM
Sep 2018

...a source who has just blown their wad. Nobody will listen to that source ever again. These guys are truly desperate.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
33. Here is a theory...
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 02:47 PM
Sep 2018

Rosenstein is definitely coming to the White House, Anonymous in the WH finds out, knowing Sessions was merely being replaced by Rosenstein for some reason for an already scheduled meeting with Sessions. Not abnormal but no one outside the WH does knows this...nor did Axios.

Staffer with Rosenstein calls Anonymous who calls Axios.

Plausible?

Roy Rolling

(6,943 posts)
3. Idiocracy in Action
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 01:22 PM
Sep 2018

We have a president who sets policy via Tweet and his attorney performs his legal defense on right-wing, AM radio stations.

To really stop this, advertisers of political gossip should be shunned and boycotted. They make it profitible to spew anti-American rhetoric. What idiots advertise on Selulow's radio show? I'm gonna look...

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
22. Do not forget Secretary of State Tucker Carlson and the quiet Chief of Staff Rupert Murdoch.
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 02:16 PM
Sep 2018

Oh, and Chief of Communications Jeanne Pirrino!


asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
4. A step back..right suckelow...the pedal is to the metal of that great big
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 01:24 PM
Sep 2018

18 wheeler heading towards the end to this POS reign of terror..deep throat has surely passed many envelopes already....

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
7. I just hope somebody has the nads to
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 01:31 PM
Sep 2018

sent all the investigation data and report to the NYT and WP. It will be the only way we will ever see it!

kairos12

(12,896 posts)
10. Same tactic as trying to eliminate abortion clinics.
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 01:35 PM
Sep 2018

Not an outright ban. Slow-walk. More regulation until the investigation is over.

Pretty transparent.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
20. Trump would be crazy to outright kill the probe, or have a deputy do it for him.
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 02:06 PM
Sep 2018

Noel Francisco, the Solicitor General, is who Mueller reports to if Rosenstein is fired / resigns / dies / etc. Francisco seems every bit a Trump loyalist. The administration would be smarter to kill the probe through management rather than up and firing everyone.

Stuff like not approving lines of investigation, quashing warrants, not approving expenses, budget cuts, etc. They should look like they're investigating, but in the end not really accomplishing anything. Then they can control what goes in the report and squash it that way.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,703 posts)
23. If RR is fired, Meuller reports to NO ONE
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 02:16 PM
Sep 2018

Francisco does not step in to Deputy Director role if RR is fired, the Vacancy Act would be in force.

My understanding is only the deputy director can fire or otherwise direct Meuller’s actions.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
27. Mueller would report to Noel Francisco according to CNBC.
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 02:23 PM
Sep 2018

From CNBC:

The question of who would oversee the Russia probe is slightly different, however, because Rosenstein has been effectively wearing two hats since Attorney General Jeff Sessions recused himself last year from any role overseeing Robert Mueller's investigation. One hat is that of deputy attorney general. The other is that of acting attorney general for the Russia probe, because Rosenstein was acting as a stand-in for Sessions.

Any replacement of Rosenstein by Trump, therefore, would be a replacement of his deputy attorney general position, not a replacement of the other role, acting attorney general for the Russia probe. That responsibility would go to Solicitor General Noel Francisco, and experts agree that the law gives Trump little control over that aspect of the succession.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/24/why-it-matters-whether-rosenstein-is-fired-or-he-resigns.html

Fiendish Thingy

(15,703 posts)
34. Same result- Meuller would them report to no one
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 02:48 PM
Sep 2018

As there would be no acting atty general for the Russia investigation.

Did you read the “experts agree” link at CNBC? It seems to be a blog, with no citations that I could find, only opinions. I think CNBC is on shaky ground with this assertion- it may end up as a Constitutional Crisis...

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
36. That's not how the government works.
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 02:53 PM
Sep 2018

The government doesn't allow for powerful, investigative positions with no accountability. That lack of accountability is basically why Trump was allowed to appoint Mick Mulvaney to head the CFPB.

And if the US government did have positions of powerful, non accountable people making serious decisions; we should all fear for our lives and liberty.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,703 posts)
37. That's why it will be a Constitutional Crisis
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 02:56 PM
Sep 2018

The Vacancy Act is apparently not comprehensive enough to cover the unique despotic circumstances presented by this administration (recusals etc)

Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
28. 10 days since last conviction
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 02:24 PM
Sep 2018

Sept 14 was manafort's cooperation plea. We need a clock like that and that's the only response to given. Define it loosely. I don't care if it's a plea, trial or plea deal like the last one. Let them argue the distinction.

Why stop an investigation that just wracked up another conviction only ten days ago?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,411 posts)
29. Trump's attorney has his own radio program? That's a reason to ignore anything he says
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 02:28 PM
Sep 2018

If he has a radio program, it's by definition biased opinion and spin. It just turns him into a common Giuliani. Tell us when a serious lawyer gives us a position.

LudwigPastorius

(9,249 posts)
31. Hey, Sekulow...
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 02:41 PM
Sep 2018

You can wish in one hand and shit in the other, and see which one fills up first.

Even if your crooked client fires Rosenstein, Robert Mueller will continue to do his job.



left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
40. Should do this with Kavanaugh's SCOTUS hearing
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 03:36 PM
Sep 2018

"... there be a step back taken here, and a review,
a review that has to be thorough and complete"

41. Mueller's investigation is into the influence Russia had on the 2016 election.
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 04:23 PM
Sep 2018

The fact that Trump, et al., were involved up to their necks is their fault. Trump's lawyers and supporters don't give a shit about whether we were attacked by Russia. They don't care about this country. All they care about is having a crazy man they can control in the WH.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
44. Yep. I thought so...the new guy will need to be vetted for conflicts...
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 08:08 PM
Sep 2018

to see if he can run the Mueller investigation. If not, then a new guy will be appointed to do that, and he'll have to be vetted. Then he'll need to get up to speed, read about the investigation to date (and there's a lot to get up to speed on).

The whole point of the plant in the NYT article was to stop the Mueller investigation before they could get Kavanaugh on the S.Ct. and/or the mid-terms, or both.

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