Dallas police officer Amber Guyger fired over Botham Jean shooting

[Gothmog]

Source: WFFA News Dallas

Amber Guyger, the Dallas police officer who faces a manslaughter charge in the shooting death of Botham Jean, has been fired, the Police Department announced in a news release Monday.

Chief Renee Hall fired Guyger, 30, after a "very short" internal affairs investigation and hearing Monday morning, sources told WFAA.



Read more: https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/dallas-police-officer-amber-guyger-fired-over-botham-jean-shooting/287-597596421

[atreides1]

1. Interesting

I wonder if the pot found, was hers???

[cp]

2. Good first step.

[Delphinus]

39. Yes.

I am waiting for some charges against her - manslaughter perhaps? Losing her job is not enough - there needs to be a trial or a guilty plea - something along those lines.

[Jedi Guy]

43. She's been charged with manslaughter, I'm pretty sure.

I seem to recall a thread about it a few weeks ago, and people complaining that she should have been charged with second-degree murder.

[tammywammy]

51. She's been charged with manslaughter. n/t

[Boomer]

3. Still waiting....

...for her to be arrested on charges of murder in the 1st degree.

[TexasBushwhacker]

7. Unless they can prove some kind of premeditation

They would never get a 1st degree murder charge to stick. I still wonder if she had some kind of relationship with the deceased though.

[JonLP24]

23. If we shot someone in the torso in their own home

We'd be charged with second degree murder at least.

[Boomer]

48. The more I hear...

The more details I here, the more convinced I am that she deliberately sought a confrontation over the noise complaints she had filed earlier. If she didn't go there to blow him away, she let her temper get away from her, so manslaughter at best.

I don't believe the "wrong apartment" story any more.

[Gothmog]

4. From my twitter feed

Link to tweet

[Lonestarblue]

19. She's the one who looks like she's on drugs.

Or maybe alcohol if that is her booking photo. And if she was sober enough to walk up a flight of steps to a second-floor apartment, she was sober enough to know that she was not entering her own apartment.

[Gothmog]

37. That is not a good picture

[lark]

5. Why is she still walking around?

Firing is good, but this killer needs to be in jail, and for a long time.

[angrychair]

6. White privilege. N/T

[lark]

9. So wrong on so many fronts, it's just sickening.

Make me sick, and I am a white woman.

[angrychair]

11. I'm a white male

It’s impossible to deny a double standard though. Especially when you look at arrest records and sentencing records, it is unequivocal that PoC are more likely to be arrested and get longer prison sentences than whites, all other factors being similar.

[lark]

14. I'm not in any way denying white privilege is a thing and a heinous thing at that.

It needs to stop, people should be treated according to the law and the circumstances. We've sadly got a long way to go.

[angrychair]

15. No, sorry wasn't implying that

Just adding more context

[PoliticAverse]

10. She bonded out of jail. n/t

[angrychair]

17. Things still don't add up

An arrest order took three days. She was charged with man slaughter which is typically used when people cause deaths with their vehicle.

Blood isn’t drawn from her until late the next day, more than enough time for alcohol to flush from her system.

All I have to say is that if that situation had been reversed, neither being a LEO, that Mr. Jean would have been in jail that night on murder charges.

There should be little doubt she was treated better than any PoC would have been in a similar situation.

[qazplm135]

21. manslaughter is also used

for unpremeditated killings that don't have justification, or involve negligence.

[Jedi Guy]

44. "Blood isn't drawn from her until late the next day" is false.

A blood sample was taken from her at the scene, according to one of the articles I read shortly after the killing.

[angrychair]

45. I was a little off

A blood sample is drawn from Guyger either late Sept. 6 or early Sept. 7.

Misread the “late sept 6” as 7.

I can find nothing that says blood was drawn at scene. Everything I’ve seen was the next day.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2018/09/18/timeline-case-unfolded-since-dallas-officer-amber-guyger-killed-botham-jean

[Jedi Guy]

46. Per the CBS article linked below, they took blood from her at the scene.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dallas-officer-amber-guyger-manslaughter-charge-botham-jean-fatal-shooting-apartment-2018-09-09/

"Many questions remain about what led Guyger to shoot Jean. Hall said the officer's blood was drawn at the scene so that it could be tested for alcohol and drugs. Investigators haven't released the results of those tests."

[angrychair]

47. Not saying it's wrong

But my article source is from a local paper and is much more recent.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2018/09/18/timeline-case-unfolded-since-dallas-officer-amber-guyger-killed-botham-jean

[Jedi Guy]

49. Who knows?

I've seen people say that they didn't field test her, which is clearly false. I'm guessing that the toxicology screen came back with something bad in it, for her to have been fired this quickly and for the union not to make a public stink about it.

[angrychair]

54. I agree with that

For her or the union not to be out in front of a camera is very telling

[LandOfHopeAndDreams]

16. Pig Privilege nt

[Gothmog]

38. She has manslaughter charges being recommended

I think that these charges will be upgraded

[lark]

53. Good, they should be.

[getagrip_already]

8. aww, poor lyin-ted will have a sad... n/t

[LudwigPastorius]

12. I still want to know what time she was released from work that day.

All that I've read merely says that she worked a 12-hour shift.

If she started at 8AM, that would mean she left the police headquarters anywhere from 8 to 9pm.

She didn't arrive at Mr. Jean's apartment until 10pm, which is only 1 block away from her workplace.

There are two locations in between her work and her apartment that serve alcohol, a mexican restaurant and a hotel bar.

The Dallas DA's office needs to be investigating whether she was at one of these places drinking before she went home.

[angrychair]

20. Not her work schedule

But here is a timeline with investigation details so far:

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2018/09/18/could-data-botham-jeans-door-lock-deliver-break-amber-guyger-case-dallas-da-hopes

One of the more telling and interesting parts is that Guyger claims she had to go look at the door number to know she was in the wrong apartment. She was in his apartment and didn’t realize it wasn’t her place?!? This does not pass the “smell test”.

[cannabis_flower]

30. What I read is...

that she lives in one of those apartments that has a parking garage and she parked on the wrong floor and went to what she thought was her apartment. She started to put her key in and the door wasn't quite closed. She pushed it open. It was dark. She saw movement and yelled an order which was not obeyed and then she shot.

But he had a red doormat. It seems like maybe she was drunk. But witnesses are saying they heard he knock and tell to let her in. If she was knocking then her story is a lie. Maybe there's more to it.

As for the search and the pot. It was a crime scene. Of course there is going to be a search. But it was wrong for them to release that information to the public.

[angrychair]

32. All of the doors are electronic locks

That stores the last 200 locking and unlocking of the door. They already removed both door locks, from her door and his. If she stuck her key in his door it recorded her attempt and if the door was open (unlocked) or not. Plus if she went to her door first. Not sure about this angle but I remember reading somewhere that they were investigating if they were in a relationship or not.

[Sneederbunk]

29. Police officers do not drink in public while in uniform.

[obamanut2012]

33. HAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHA

Yeah, they do, and some pubs also have special rooms for them to get smashed in.

[cyndensco]

13. A "very short" internal affairs investigation

should have led to her firing 18 days ago.

[obamanut2012]

34. This is remarkably fast for a LEO firing

They have to follow all kinds of protocol because of the union. There must be damning info about what she did (ie drunk, etc.).

[BillyBobBrilliant]

18. Beto 1, Cruz 0

Refer to the debate on Friday, Sept 21, 2018.

[JonLP24]

24. Cruz was bent out of shape because he *gasp* asked her to be fired

[laserhaas]

56. Awesome

Cruz can cruise right on out of office

[Joe Nation]

22. Oh boy, she murders an innocent man and is fired.

Maybe I can rob a bank and have my library card revoked. Lock her up.

[obamanut2012]

35. Your post literally makes no sense

She was arrested and charged and is out on bail, and there will be a trial. Wait until that. Her firing is swift and surprising.

[Joe Nation]

40. Sorry, but you haven't been paying attention

A white cop shoots a black man, they take forever to even put the cop on trial, then the cop is found to have shot someone in "justified" circumstances. Mean while, the cop gets to be free the entire time. Hires a lawyer. And is almost never convicted. It won't be any different in this case once her fellow cops stand up for her at trial. They stick together.

[yardwork]

41. Actually, a number of us have been paying attention.

We're watching how this plays out.

You're sure it will play out a particular way. Some of the rest of us are waiting to see. It doesn't mean that we haven't been paying attention.

[Joe Nation]

55. But what about two weeks from now after the next 3 shootings?

Where will your attention be then? It's not your fault, there is just so much to be outraged about. My money is on that you nor anyone else will think about this incident unless there is a blurb in the news and then only briefly.

[Honeycombe8]

25. I still think there's more to the story than that.

I lived in apartments for years. The kind where row after row look the same, with stairs that look the same. It's pretty odd to park, go up the stairs, and get to the door, and still not realize you're at the wrong apartment. (There's an apt # somewhere there.) THen you go to open the door, and it's already open (cracked open)...and still, you don't realize.

Then to go in, see someone on the sofa standing up...you tell them to identify himself, then when he doesn't say anything, you immediately shoot, with the door still open.

The whole thing sounds like something's missing. Was she on drugs? Was she half asleep, having worked a long shift maybe? Had there been some break-ins recently? Had SHE had a break-in before? It doesn't make sense.

But whatever happened, she shouldn't be on a police force.

[EleanorR]

50. oh good lord nt

[Honeycombe8]

52. Thanks fr your high level contribution to the thread.

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It's always so helpful for people to posit their theories and engage in spirited discussion. It raises the level of discourse. Instead of just popping in occasionally to issue a 5-words-or-less generalized statement or exclamation. Because that would serve no useful purpose, except to increase a meager post count (but I suppose that's a valid reason, as well).

[Dr Rise]

26. The article says she "engaged in adverse conduct"

when she was arrested. Planting marijuana, perhaps?

[LisaL]

27. Getting arrested was the adverse conduct.

[Blue_Tires]

28. About fuckin' time...

The firing has to mean even the department knows she doesn't have a fucking leg to stand on once the trial starts.

[obamanut2012]

36. Yup, it sounds like the Union isn't going to bat for her publicly

It is interesting -- the internal investigation was quite fast, and I am surprised they fired her at this point tbh. I wonder what info they have? Tox screen? Camera feed? Hmmm...

[yardwork]

42. This is starting to remind me of a case in Durham years ago.

Rookie cop made a u-turn on a stretch of highway that had recently been reconfigured. Without realizing it he was going the wrong way. He crashed head on into a car, killing a mother and father. Their baby in his car seat in the back survived.

He was charged. Unexpectedly, the department fired him. Turned out he was smoking pot on duty that night. The department washed their hands of him. Iirc he did jail time.

[Blue_Tires]

57. Only two things make the "tried to open wrong door" plausible.

1. Drink and/or drugs

2. Personal (romantic? revenge?) history with the victim

No matter which it is, she isn't going to come out looking good...

[Pope George Ringo II]

31. I'm looking at this as a "due process" or "wheels of justice" kind of thing.

The union is probably bound to stand up for that much regardless of circumstances, the department doesn't want a quick dismissal here cited in civil suits on this or any future officer dismissal, and so forth. An actual investigation following procedure here is just dotting an i and crossing a t, and I really think this is a lot more reasonable than, say, telling everybody that the deceased had some marijuana in his apartment.

Actually, now that I mention it, this department might have had some recent reminders that doing everything exactly by the numbers might be a good idea.