Paul Ryan: "Obama didn’t close the plant"...

[Indi Guy]

Source: Politico

Rep. Paul Ryan said Tuesday that he wasn’t suggesting that President Barack Obama was responsible for the closure of an auto plant in Janesville, Wis., during his convention speech last week.

“What they are trying to suggest is that I said Barack Obama was responsible for the plant shutdown in Janesville. That is not what I was saying; read the speech. What I was saying is the president ought to be held to account for his broken promises. After the plant was shut down, he said he would lead efforts to restore the plant. It’s still idle,” said Ryan on NBC’s “Today"...

...Ryan, who is from Janesville, said the president had promised to “retool the plant.”

... Asked on ABC to respond to Vice President Joe Biden’s line that Osama bin Laden is dead and GM is alive, Ryan responded, “General Motors isn’t alive in my hometown.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/80627.html

[LoisB]

1. this guy lies about his lies

[Flashmann]

6. That's the very first

thing I thought,too......Lying about what he's lied about....Complete and utter sack of SHIT!!!!

[Botany]

22. So would that make him a liar lying about his lies?

Transcript of Ryan's speech

President Barack Obama came to office during an economic crisis, as he has reminded us a time or two. Those were very tough days, and any fair measure of his record has to take that into account. My home state voted for President Obama. When he talked about change, many people liked the sound of it, especially in Janesville, where we were about to lose a major factory.

A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: “I believe that if our government is there to support you … this plant will be here for another hundred years.” That’s what he said in 2008.

Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day. And that’s how it is in so many towns today, where the recovery that was promised is nowhere in sight.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/80423.html#ixzz25VoQUJ90

[xtraxritical]

35. Well lyin Ryan, G.M. management closed the plant how does that involve President Obama?

[elleng]

41. That's what happens with liers;

they can't keep up with their lies.

[oliverrams1]

38. His voice gets on my nerves

I know the second he starts speaking, just lies lies lies!

[Mnpaul]

2. And Charlie Rose let him peddle them again this morning

On the CBS morning show. One lie after another. None were challenged.

[mikeytherat]

8. Who needs Charlie Rose? The Politico article creates a whole new lie:

The Wisconsin Republican stirred controversy last week over lines in his convention speech that appeared to criticize Obama for not keeping a Janesville auto plant running — whether Obama is to blame and the extent to which he could or should have affected the plant’s status remain a matter of debate.

Whether Obama is to blame for a plant which closed before he became President? A matter of debate? Really?

mikey_the_rat

[Demit]

44. The plant didn't close fully till Apr 09.The matter of debate is whether Obama could've kept it open

I mention this just as a matter of fact. The debate, of course, would be whether Republicans think a president should take the power away from a corporation to make business decisions, b/c that's what would have had to happen. Too bad Politico didn't expand upon what they were referring to. But Politico's words are "not keeping the plant running" (i.e., directing that funds go specifically to the Janesville plant to retool) which is different from blaming him for closing it.

(Edited for what I hope is more clarity.)

[PurityOfEssence]

30. Charlie Rose is the John Kerry of punditry

A stuffy intellectual who's not even on the outskirts of smartville.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

3. Obama made no such promise...

I really think Ryan needs professional help. He lies about his lies. Really appears that he can't help himself.

[zeemike]

11. And Al Gore did not say he invented the Internet ether.

But they hammered it home at Evey opportunity and it became a part of right wing mythology and was repeated on the news hundreds of times.

They get by with this shit because we let them.
and he is quite sane...he knows what works and does it...don't give a flip whether it is morally correct or not cause the end justifies the means.

[tomm2thumbs]

4. someone should tell him lying erodes your soul

oh wait....

[BlueStreak]

19. Every time he lies, he makes the baby Jesus cry

[tomm2thumbs]

31. then that little fella is WAILIN'

I wonder why he hates baby Jesus

[mountain grammy]

5. oh no, he wasn't suggesting that at all!

Hey, Charlie Rose, I have a piece of land to sell you!

[Evasporque]

7. Why would Republicans want a UNION plant to reopen??....nt

[Indi Guy]

18. Now there's a good question...

I wonder if anyone in the lame-stream media might have the guts to ask him that.

[Amonester]

37. Answer: No. Or maybe Tweety... (but he's not really in Lyame-stream media). (n/t)

[harun]

25. They don't. He's bluffing on the retooling. Obama pushes for legislation to retool that plant and

Ryan votes no on it without thinking twice.

Such BS.

[Heather MC]

9. How come, everytime they get caught in a lie we are the ones to blame?

Ryan lies. It gets fact checked, and then they come back out and say they were "misunderstood" Or "Used the wrong words"
or some such nonsense BS

It's like it's our fault for actually listening to these asshats speak.
well shame on us, honestly we should just ignor them and maybe they will go away, like a bee.

[Smilo]

12. Sociopaths!

n/t

[bluemarkers]

10. link with quotes

lies about his lies you said?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/09/04/paul-ryans-medicare-claims-vs-his-auto-bailout-claims/

[JDPriestly]

13. But thanks to Obama, there is a chance that it will be.

Ryan should be working his GOP MOJO to get it working. He is the representative. What has he been doing to get that plant up and running?

It's his bailiwick. The president is the president of the entire US, not just of one district in Wisconsin. Seems to me that Ryan does not take responsibility for his charge.

Ryan's meaning was very clear, and no one misunderstood it.

And what is more, Ryan is a whiner, a not very mature whiner.

In contrast, President Obama is mature. He can take responsibility, did and does. That is why people feel so safe with President Obama in charge.

[EC]

14. So he tells another lie to cover for the previous...

not good. Pres. Obama never said he'd retool that plant, he said "plants LIKE the Janesville plant"....when he was commenting on hearing of it's closing.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

15. Quibbling. He put it out like a lie & then he can say "technically" it wasn't. He knew June 2008

Here's the letter with Ryan's June 2008 signature acknowledging the closing (pdf via house.gov)

Signed, June 3, 2008

http://paulryan.house.gov/uploadedfiles/ltr_gm_060308.pdf

Technically, the Ryan line is that the President failed to "keep it open".

Technically, the plant had a hundred workers paid after the main line closed Dec 23, 2008, to keep a small line open to fill out a truck order until April 2009.

However, the basic fact that the weasel would have you not know is that the plant closing was accelerated by the Republican President who applauded GM for being "adaptable" in closing that and other plants. The plant was slated to close in 2010 (see letter below) but was accelerated and closed in 2008 except for an essentially inconsequential amount of work for a few months.

[font size = "+1"]Fact: [/font]It was all decided and finalized by time Obama took office.

[Indi Guy]

46. Are you sure that that's not an Etch-a-Sketch drawing?...

???

[subterranean]

16. So Ryan wanted a government bailout for the plant?

He seems to think government intervention in the private sector is good as long as he benefits from it in some way.

[ann---]

17. Lyin' Ryan is a pathological

liar. He can't even keep his lies straight. What a loser.

[Setsuna1972]

20. he can't handle the truth

Dude lied about the auto plant, his marathon time, his bailout request..hell he's probably lying about his P90X workouts too !

[ann---]

42. I agree...

[KansDem]

21. But if you're real, real religious, you can lie to infidels!

And that's anyone in the 99%...

[sofa king]

23. Here's the relevant text:

A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: “I believe that if our government is there to support you … this plant will be here for another hundred years.” That’s what he said in 2008.

Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day. And that’s how it is in so many towns today, where the recovery that was promised is nowhere in sight.

According to CNN, Ryan's first version of the lie, told before the convention, incorrectly accused President Obama of promising to keep the plant open.

He changed the lie slightly for the speech above.

President Obama's actual quote was this:

"I know that General Motors received some bad news yesterday, and I know how hard your governor has fought to keep jobs in this plant. But I also know how much progress you've made -- how many hybrids and fuel-efficient vehicles you're churning out," Obama said. "And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years."

So the quote itself was deliberately edited for effect. Ryan's ellipses conceal another important deception, because guess who deliberately worked every day to make sure that wouldn't happen, by delaying and opposing the President's agenda at every turn in Congress?

Paul Ryan did.

So Ryan did flat-out lie about it, but before the convention, then edited his speech to make it just as deceptive, but slightly less of a total fabrication. Congress disburses the funds for assistance and retooling; they have gone to great lengths to dry up virtually all of the President's discretionary spending, and so Congress, particularly the House, and particularly Paul Ryan, deserve entire credit for the plant remaining closed.

[speedoo]

27. Excellent post.

Thanks for the additional info.

[sofa king]

29. Yes... and it took me about ten minutes.

Imagine if the news media had the ability to duplicate that research themselves, instead of merely printing the next lie that is being told.

But, alas, they do not. And I have to shovel shit for my day job.

(Edit: No, really! This year I have bagged thousands of pounds of worm-cast compost so superb it could have come from Paul Ryan's and Mitt Romney's own mouths.)

(2nd Edit: And thank you!)

[Indi Guy]

48. So it appears that...

...someone is complaining about being an orphan after killing his father.

[Kolesar]

24. Ryan thinks everybody hates Obama because he dumped those millionaire auto dealers

Ok, there is some conjecture, here.

[bakpakr]

26. He lied again. GM is alive and well in his hometown;

Yes GM is alive and well in Janesville, Wisconsin his home town.

There is a GM dealer there. Sorry but that is GM.

http://www.faganautomotive.net/

[julian09]

45. GM is alive and made decision to close Janesville plant,because the plant made large vehicles that

were not selling, due to gas prices. The vehicles they managed to sell were sold at a loss; trucks and suv stayed on lots, dealerships were going under. They had to close some plants to save others and do retooling at other plants. GM seen the problem right away and had to decide right away to close the plants that weren't producing sales. The announcement came in June seven months before Obama became president and six months before Gm production stopped. Leaving an order for Isuzzu trucks to be filled by April 09.

[Ian David]

28. Shorter Paul Ryan: "I killed General Motors in *MY* District." n/t

[SansACause]

32. lies on top of lies

'the president had promised to “retool the plant.” ' Absolute, blatant lie.

[myrna minx]

33. Oh, you said Side *Show* Bob.

Liar.

[bayareaboy]

34. So here is my question of the day

Why can't Archer Ryan and want to be Pres Mittens present any kind of argument for anything that can't be refuted for it's content?

It's usually anything they say that is taken out of context or stepped on or boiled down for some reason, usually because it isn't true.

Besides that who is there official quip writer because he needs to look for another line.

[shanti]

36. Lying liars and the lies they tell

haven't pulled that out since *ush, but now's the time!

[rock]

39. Ryan well illustrates the fact that these days

you don't need to be a good liar to be a Republican politician. Any kind of liar will do.

[William Seger]

40. The brazeness of the lying tells the story

Republican strategists have calculated that they cannot win by telling the truth, so they really have nothing to lose by lying their asses off.

[demosincebirth]

43. We know what you said and so did a million others, you lying hypocrite!

[ProfessionalLeftist]

47. Sidewinding little snake. n/t

[mojo2012]

49. When will Ryan get his just rewards for lying?

Lyin' Ryan is a dangerous person. He doesn't even know when he's lying because he is so good at it.

He had known about the closure in June 2008. What did he do to help them? I'd like to see more interviews with people in Janesville who would be telling to tell the truth. But they're probably afraid since the Ryans are one of three families like the Mafia there.

I guess I want to know WHEN will the lies finally catch up with Lyin' Ryan? Will it be in time?