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UpInArms

(51,282 posts)
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 09:36 AM Jan 2019

Turkey's Erdogan shuts down White House's Bolton on Syria, says he made a 'serious mistake'

Source: CNBC

Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan issued a blunt put-down against White House national security advisor John Bolton over his pledges to ensure Turkish non-aggression against Kurds who fought against the Islamic State (IS) in Syria.

"We cannot accept Bolton's messages given from Israel," the Turkish president said on Tuesday morning, adding that Bolton made a "serious mistake," Reuters reported.

He was referring to statements by the senior Trump administration official, made from Israel over the weekend, promising safety for the U.S.-allied Kurdish militias — who dominate areas in Northern Syria and whom the Turks view as terrorists — in the event of a U.S. military withdrawal.

... snip ...

Erdogan stressed that the YPG and the PYD cannot be representative of Kurds, adding that Bolton "probably doesn't know" who the two groups are. He also described Turkey as facing a "critical juncture" in Syria, with whom it shares a 500-mile border.


Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/01/08/turkeys-erdogan-shuts-down-white-houses-bolton-on-syria.html

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Turkey's Erdogan shuts down White House's Bolton on Syria, says he made a 'serious mistake' (Original Post) UpInArms Jan 2019 OP
They thought they could play footsie with a dictator. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2019 #1
Turkey wants the U.S troops out so he can crush the Kurds. This has been their objective for years. olegramps Jan 2019 #11
Oh boy, what's Donnie to do? watoos Jan 2019 #2
Well atreides1 Jan 2019 #3
I doubt this is Bibi's fault. nycbos Jan 2019 #5
Oh but this is about Bibi, watoos Jan 2019 #7
Did Assad use barrel bombs on his people? karynnj Jan 2019 #13
Give him something else per Russia's request. Iliyah Jan 2019 #9
Ironically this all stems from the Bush, Cheney, Bolton, Rumsfeld, etc. policy to invade Iraq based still_one Jan 2019 #4
This was their public statement. Cold War Spook Jan 2019 #6
If so, Bibi will not be happy. watoos Jan 2019 #8
Bibi help caused the problem. Iliyah Jan 2019 #10
Erdogan chides Bolton and calls on US to hand over Syria bases Eugene Jan 2019 #12
Who could have imagined in 2016 that the dictator of Turkey of all people... hedda_foil Jan 2019 #14
It's not just his reins he's holding lanlady Jan 2019 #15
You said it lanlady! hedda_foil Jan 2019 #18
It is enough to make one cry, hedda UpInArms Jan 2019 #16
Pretty soon Assad won't look as bad. JackRiddler Jan 2019 #17
 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
2. Oh boy, what's Donnie to do?
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 09:39 AM
Jan 2019

Putin wants withdrawal and Bibi says stay. Whatcha gonna do Cadet Bone Spurs?

nycbos

(6,034 posts)
5. I doubt this is Bibi's fault.
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 09:49 AM
Jan 2019

This is just an islamic dictator using the "when all else fails blame the Jews" strategy.


For the record I am no fan of Bibi.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
7. Oh but this is about Bibi,
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 10:07 AM
Jan 2019

Don't you see, Russia/Iran is involved. If we pull out Iran gets involved in the region.

Russia/Iran/Turkey/Assad are vying against Israel, Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

Russia wants Gazprom to be the investor/operator of an Iran/Iraq/Syria natural gas pipeline to supply gas to the EU. Qatar has a lot of natural gas, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Israel wants the Qatar gas pipeline but it has to go through Syria and Assad will not allow it. This is why people want to oust Assad. Assad is a brutal butcher but he never gassed his own people, Saudi Arabia was involved in that. The civil war in Syria is about money. It's also about Sunni v Shia. The US has taken the side of the Sunnis, Putin entered the mix and took the side of the Shias.
Trump is friends with both Putin and Bibi, so who is going to win out? Should I go or should I stay?

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
13. Did Assad use barrel bombs on his people?
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 12:44 PM
Jan 2019

Assad did gas his people in 2014. There were Russians .. and Russian trolls ... who disputed that.

still_one

(92,187 posts)
4. Ironically this all stems from the Bush, Cheney, Bolton, Rumsfeld, etc. policy to invade Iraq based
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 09:47 AM
Jan 2019

on a lie. That incursion destabilized the entire region, and brought us to where we are today.

 

Cold War Spook

(1,279 posts)
6. This was their public statement.
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 09:53 AM
Jan 2019

Their private statement to him was they won't attack the Kurds. Bolton will bring this back to Trump. Trump will say that is great and pull our troops out of Syria. The following week, Turkey will attack the Kurds. One of the most dangerous situations I have been in is in Turkey during an election. The army favored one man and the air force another. The only safe place I could find was in the kerhane in Ankara. After 2 weeks I figured I could leave.

Eugene

(61,881 posts)
12. Erdogan chides Bolton and calls on US to hand over Syria bases
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 11:57 AM
Jan 2019

Source: The Guardian

Erdoğan chides Bolton and calls on US to hand over Syria bases

US security chief tempers withdrawal claims, jeopardising Turkey’s plans to target Kurdish groups

Martin Chulov
Tue 8 Jan 2019 12.22 GMT First published on Tue 8 Jan 2019 12.10 GMT

Turkey has asked Washington to hand over its bases in Syria as the Trump administration appeared to reverse plans to withdraw from the country’s north-east on Tuesday, jeopardising Ankara’s plans to launch a widespread military operation targeting Kurdish groups.

The fresh row between the two Nato allies broke out as the US national security adviser, John Bolton, was in Ankara to row back on a surprise announcement by Donald Trump in December that US forces would leave imminently, abandoning Kurdish proxies who had led its ground war against the Islamic State terror group. Turkey views those same Kurdish groups as mortal foes.

In a scathing speech to parliament, delivered while Bolton was still in the Turkish capital, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said the US envoy had “made a serious mistake” and that Turkey would never agree to a compromise that protected the Kurdish militia, known as the YPG, whose members helped a US-led coalition push Isis out of most of Syria’s east.

“Elements of the US administration are saying different things,” said Erdoğan. “The YPG and the PKK can never be representatives of the Kurdish people.”

-snip-


Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/08/erdogan-us-bolton-turkey-syria-withdrawal-kurdish

hedda_foil

(16,373 posts)
14. Who could have imagined in 2016 that the dictator of Turkey of all people...
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 08:21 PM
Jan 2019

Would hold the reins of the National Security Director of the United States and dictate policy to the "president"?

lanlady

(7,134 posts)
15. It's not just his reins he's holding
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 09:29 PM
Jan 2019

Erdogan has Bolton and Trump by the balls. And man, is he squeezing 'em hard.

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