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brooklynite

(94,550 posts)
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:45 PM Jan 2019

John C. Bogle, Founder of Financial Giant Vanguard, Is Dead at 89

Source: New York Times

John C. Bogle, who founded the Vanguard Group of Investment Companies in 1974 and built it into a giant mutual fund company, with $4.9 trillion in assets under management today, died on Wednesday in Bryn Mawr, Pa. He was 89.

Vanguard, based in Malvern, Pa., announced his death but gave no cause. Mr. Bogle, who had struggled with a congenital heart defect and had several heart attacks, received a heart transplant in 1996.

Mr. Bogle built Vanguard on a cornerstone belief that was anathema to most mutual fund companies: that over the long term, most investment managers cannot outperform the broad market averages. He popularized and became the leading proponent of indexing, the practice of structuring an investment portfolio to mirror the performance of a market yardstick, like the Standard & Poor’s 500 stock index.

“Indexing was the purview of institutional investors, but Jack Bogle came up with the consumer version,” said Daniel P. Wiener, the editor of The Independent Adviser for Vanguard Investors, a newsletter and website that has tracked the company for decades. “He made people aware of expenses, and told them that costs come right out of the bottom line.”

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/16/obituaries/john-bogle-vanguard-dead.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage



We invest a lot of our funds in a mix of index funds. It's a good stable approach.
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John C. Bogle, Founder of Financial Giant Vanguard, Is Dead at 89 (Original Post) brooklynite Jan 2019 OP
I invest primarily in mutual funds Yavin4 Jan 2019 #1
Same here. Still In Wisconsin Jan 2019 #4
Same here. llmart Jan 2019 #5
Me too. BigmanPigman Jan 2019 #6
I'm sorry to hear that. I've always thought of him as a good person. mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2019 #2
A guy I never met who offered a vehicle and good advice that has helped me Hassler Jan 2019 #3
His Crusade Against High Mutual Fund Fees Was Pro-Consumer TomCADem Jan 2019 #7
Not just high fees, but poor performance! DrToast Jan 2019 #9
A true legend in finance and one of the good guys DrToast Jan 2019 #8
My company's 401k plan is with Vanguard ooky Jan 2019 #10
A rare individual. Grateful for his life. TygrBright Jan 2019 #11
Excellent company DeminPennswoods Jan 2019 #12
Mixed On John modrepub Jan 2019 #13
The average stock owner doesn't "participate"... brooklynite Jan 2019 #14
Not Voting modrepub Jan 2019 #15

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,446 posts)
2. I'm sorry to hear that. I've always thought of him as a good person.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:54 PM
Jan 2019

He was such a highly respected person.

I have money with Vanguard. I enjoy doing business with them.

Disclaimer: I do not intend this as investment advice. You wouldn't want investment advice from me anyway.

John Bogle almost singlehandedly made index funds a practical and popular option for institutional and individual investors alike




Hassler

(3,377 posts)
3. A guy I never met who offered a vehicle and good advice that has helped me
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 10:18 PM
Jan 2019

To have a retirement I can live on.

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
7. His Crusade Against High Mutual Fund Fees Was Pro-Consumer
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 12:19 AM
Jan 2019

Consider that at the time that he was railing against broker fees, commissions, and expenses, his views were considered crazy.

DrToast

(6,414 posts)
9. Not just high fees, but poor performance!
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 12:24 AM
Jan 2019

Not only were mutual fund managers charging a killing, but they couldn’t even beat the market. That’s still the case today.

DrToast

(6,414 posts)
8. A true legend in finance and one of the good guys
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 12:19 AM
Jan 2019

John Bogle has had a huge impact on my life. I’m very sad to hear of his passing, but what a life he lived!

ooky

(8,922 posts)
10. My company's 401k plan is with Vanguard
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 01:00 AM
Jan 2019

after 30 years of dollar cost averaging in their mutual funds I retired with no complaints.

TygrBright

(20,759 posts)
11. A rare individual. Grateful for his life.
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 01:23 AM
Jan 2019

Not many in the rarefied strata of major investment management had his focus on how capitalism works best: Broad participation and distribution of benefits throughout market participation.

In other words: Benefiting the customer with low fees, simple investing tools, and well-designed funds.

I hope he did his succession planning well, and that Vanguard continues to operate based on his doctrine.

appreciatively,
Bright

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
12. Excellent company
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 05:58 AM
Jan 2019

No complaints and their customer service is outstanding. If anyone ever asks, I recommend them.

modrepub

(3,495 posts)
13. Mixed On John
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 10:00 AM
Jan 2019

On one hand I liked that he provided low-cost mutual funds for people of modest incomes and limited knowledge of how the stock markets worked. He also seemed to be a genuine caring person to his employees building a very well-run company. Building a functioning company as large is Vanguard is no small achievement in my mind.

On the other hand, I can't help but think the whole mutual fund concept has become "fast food" for the financial community providing a quick service bite that in all reality is not very good for you. Yea you get to participate in the stock market and it's benefits (and occasional losses) but buying mutual funds removes you from participating in company decisions via proxy votes. For all the money people have invested in the market through their mutual fund holdings they get zero say in the corporations they theoretically hold stock in. Holding stock through your mutual fund prevents you from voting on executive pay packages and any other corporate board decisions. I can't help but think if individuals held stock directly instead of abdicating their proxy votes to their mutual fund owners that corporate pay would be more in line with what it was many decades ago (before the 1980s). I think mutual funds have short circuited people's financial participation in the market and their overall understanding of economics.

brooklynite

(94,550 posts)
14. The average stock owner doesn't "participate"...
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 10:59 AM
Jan 2019

Yes, they can cast proxy votes, but many don't because their holding has no real influence, and successful shareholder revolts are extremely rare. I have a respectable number of shares of Apple, but I represent 0.000015% of the outstanding shares.

modrepub

(3,495 posts)
15. Not Voting
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 11:41 AM
Jan 2019

only emboldens the board and CEO. Yes the voting is rigged but that happens through executive and board compensation that is voted on by the shareholders. I don't claim that voting my wife and my shares does all that much but I still do it; like voting in the rural red hinterlands for an non repub. If everyone who held stock in these companies via mutual funds actually got to vote then maybe corporations would be more responsive. A thousand ants biting an elephant may ultimately have an effect.

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