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brooklynite

(94,547 posts)
Sat Feb 16, 2019, 10:07 PM Feb 2019

Police sources: New evidence suggests Jussie Smollett orchestrated attack

Source: CNN

Two law enforcement sources with knowledge of the investigation tell CNN that Chicago Police believe actor Jussie Smollet paid two men to orchestrate an assault on him that he reported late last month.

The men, who are brothers, were arrested Wednesday but released without charges Friday after Chicago police cited the discovery of "new evidence."

The sources told CNN the two men are now cooperating fully with law enforcement.

Smollett told authorities he was attacked early January 29 by two men who were "yelling out racial and homophobic slurs." He said one attacker put a rope around his neck and poured an unknown chemical substance on him.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/16/entertainment/jussie-smollett-attack/index.html

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Police sources: New evidence suggests Jussie Smollett orchestrated attack (Original Post) brooklynite Feb 2019 OP
Good grief, the level of psychopathy necessary to do something like this... DRoseDARs Feb 2019 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a Feb 2019 #4
dalton, I didn't see your original message but I'll respond. DRoseDARs Feb 2019 #5
Yep. I remember that one. dalton99a Feb 2019 #15
I'm not sure that's the right word Wabbajack_ Feb 2019 #29
anonymous sources, unnamed people. sounds like gossip to me nt msongs Feb 2019 #2
Are all the leaks out of the White House "gossip"? brooklynite Feb 2019 #3
The facts of this case were ludicrous from the start. As many here did point out. oldsoftie Feb 2019 #20
Nothing yet on who sent this letter to Empire a few days before the claimed attack. Izzy Blue Feb 2019 #6
it pissed me off that the news kept reporting this attack as orleans Feb 2019 #7
Why? Igel Feb 2019 #9
Whenever one of these things happens christx30 Feb 2019 #10
And harder for real victims to come forward. Which is already hard to do. oldsoftie Feb 2019 #21
The news I've been seeing (including here)... JohnnyRingo Feb 2019 #13
EVERY attack is reported as "alleged", even mass shootings; "alleged shooter". oldsoftie Feb 2019 #18
no. orleans Feb 2019 #25
Because he was DEAD. Had he been arrested, he would have been referred to as "alleged shooter" oldsoftie Feb 2019 #34
I sincerely hope its not true. marble falls Feb 2019 #8
I hope it is true. Otherwise, society is sicker. mahina Feb 2019 #23
What good, indeed. He was starting to make a bigger splash with his career. Very sad. marble falls Feb 2019 #24
If true, this is really bad. jcmaine72 Feb 2019 #11
Doesn't look good for Smollett. Innocent until proven guilty but ... Jarqui Feb 2019 #12
Sounds like the two brothers flipped on him. JohnnyRingo Feb 2019 #14
If their story is true Wabbajack_ Feb 2019 #30
That makes sense JohnnyRingo Feb 2019 #32
and we know these two are telling the truth how? Swagman Feb 2019 #16
As far as his story goes, he went out to get a sandwich in the middle of the night. LisaL Feb 2019 #17
I'll await apologies from all those who savaged those of us who pointed at the obvious issues. oldsoftie Feb 2019 #19
Yes, people here tend to mistrust the police, especially in Chicago question everything Feb 2019 #26
Thank you. oldsoftie Feb 2019 #33
If CNN was half as partisan as Dotard & his deplorables are always whining that they are... jcmaine72 Feb 2019 #22
He Played Robin Roberts PBC_Democrat Feb 2019 #27
Interesting that so many people wish he had been attacked. Sneederbunk Feb 2019 #28
You need to be *very* careful with what you're implying there... DRoseDARs Feb 2019 #31
I think its a relief that it didn't actually happen madville Feb 2019 #35
Latest News: Case heading to grand jury this week madville Feb 2019 #36

Response to DRoseDARs (Reply #1)

 

DRoseDARs

(6,810 posts)
5. dalton, I didn't see your original message but I'll respond.
Sat Feb 16, 2019, 10:51 PM
Feb 2019

I've been reserving judgement on this whole story from the beginning. I was saddened by it initially, but others noticed problems. With this latest development, it's become clearer he has not been on the level. It's sad that we have to hold out hope that he *was* attacked just as he said, but is that because the alternative is so much worse? People who conduct hoaxes based on physical attacks, racist assaults, and rapes aren't well in the head and do real harm to victims who *aren't* hoaxing others. Anyone remember Backwards-B Girl?

dalton99a

(81,485 posts)
15. Yep. I remember that one.
Sun Feb 17, 2019, 04:01 AM
Feb 2019

I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, but things never added up.

He's making things harder for real victims who deserve justice.



Wabbajack_

(1,300 posts)
29. I'm not sure that's the right word
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:20 AM
Feb 2019

Sounds like he may need psychiatric treatment. I think Hollywood and the music industry would be very forgiving.

oldsoftie

(12,535 posts)
20. The facts of this case were ludicrous from the start. As many here did point out.
Sun Feb 17, 2019, 08:27 AM
Feb 2019

And were blasted for ANY questioning.

 

Izzy Blue

(282 posts)
6. Nothing yet on who sent this letter to Empire a few days before the claimed attack.
Sat Feb 16, 2019, 10:55 PM
Feb 2019

It also contained white powder.
Included in the items that were listed on the warrant from the raid of the brother's house were a magazine,stamps and paper with writing.

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orleans

(34,051 posts)
7. it pissed me off that the news kept reporting this attack as
Sat Feb 16, 2019, 11:20 PM
Feb 2019

an alleged attack

& now this? if it's true i absolutely did not see it coming.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
9. Why?
Sun Feb 17, 2019, 12:09 AM
Feb 2019

It was alleged.

Allegation = accusation.

Allegation =/= proof.

People can lie. People can misremember. People can be wrong. People can have any number of things not go quite right upstairs.

It's why we have trials. To establish the truth. Not just to put the alleged victim on the witness stand, hear what s/he has to say, and then haul the accused off for sentencing without any rebuttal, any corroboration, any questions.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
10. Whenever one of these things happens
Sun Feb 17, 2019, 12:37 AM
Feb 2019

and makes national news, I always reserve judgment until someone matching the initial suspect description is actually arrested. And it usually turns out to be BS.
So tired of these hoaxes. This does not help. The hoaxers are ALWAYS found out. It makes those of on the left look like fools.

JohnnyRingo

(18,628 posts)
13. The news I've been seeing (including here)...
Sun Feb 17, 2019, 03:31 AM
Feb 2019

strongly alluded to the possibility that it was staged. They didn't come out & say it because it was still being investigated, but it was clear the media suspected much more than they were letting on and they have a nose for this.

oldsoftie

(12,535 posts)
18. EVERY attack is reported as "alleged", even mass shootings; "alleged shooter".
Sun Feb 17, 2019, 07:55 AM
Feb 2019

Its just the way its always been done.

orleans

(34,051 posts)
25. no.
Sun Feb 17, 2019, 10:58 PM
Feb 2019

on friday the shooting in aurora was all over chicagoland tv & radio

there was no "alleged" shooter. there was the shooter.

oldsoftie

(12,535 posts)
34. Because he was DEAD. Had he been arrested, he would have been referred to as "alleged shooter"
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 08:21 AM
Feb 2019

No rights violated since he was dispatched.

mahina

(17,652 posts)
23. I hope it is true. Otherwise, society is sicker.
Sun Feb 17, 2019, 11:30 AM
Feb 2019

I just don’t understand why anybody would do this. What would that do for him?

jcmaine72

(1,773 posts)
11. If true, this is really bad.
Sun Feb 17, 2019, 01:17 AM
Feb 2019

How many years has it taken for activists and other people of good conscience to get the police and society as a whole to start taking hate crimes against African Americans and LBGT people seriously?

Again, if this evidence has any merit, a crazy stunt like this would only serve the interests of those intent on rolling back the clock and diminishing such crimes in terms of their importance.

Jarqui

(10,124 posts)
12. Doesn't look good for Smollett. Innocent until proven guilty but ...
Sun Feb 17, 2019, 01:53 AM
Feb 2019

Jussie Smollett Case: Brothers Questioned By Police Were Paid $3,500 To Stage Attack, Which Was Rehearsed Days Before, Sources Say
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2019/02/16/sources-brothers-released-bought-rope-used-in-jussie-smollett-attack/

Jussie Smollett paid two brothers to stage an attack against him, directed them to buy items used in the alleged assault and actually rehearsed it with them, sources say.

Sources say at least one of the brothers bought the rope used in the incident at Smollett’s request. The sources also say the “Empire” actor paid for the rope, which was purchased at the Crafty Beaver Hardware Store in the Ravenswood neighborhood the weekend of Jan. 25.
...
Sources said one of the brothers held the rope and poured bleach while the other wore a plain red hat and yelled slurs at Smollett.

The sources say the red hat was bought at an Uptown beauty supply store and that the attack was supposed to happen before Jan. 29. The brothers told detectives the three men rehearsed the attack days prior to it happening.


Presumably, the brothers got an immunity deal to flip on Smollett ...

JohnnyRingo

(18,628 posts)
14. Sounds like the two brothers flipped on him.
Sun Feb 17, 2019, 03:32 AM
Feb 2019

Got scared when they were arrested and came clean. Then released.

JohnnyRingo

(18,628 posts)
32. That makes sense
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 03:35 AM
Feb 2019

They clearly didn't misrepresent the facts to police.

Guilty of taking easy money from an idiot perhaps, but if that alone were against the law...

Swagman

(1,934 posts)
16. and we know these two are telling the truth how?
Sun Feb 17, 2019, 05:30 AM
Feb 2019

Got a funny feeling that this case is going to get much much weirder before the truth is told.

If it was a PR stunt- the most ridiculous I've seen but people do odd things,,but so risky if true.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
17. As far as his story goes, he went out to get a sandwich in the middle of the night.
Sun Feb 17, 2019, 07:40 AM
Feb 2019

How exactly do you think these two could have possibly known where he was going to be, and come prepared with a rope?

oldsoftie

(12,535 posts)
19. I'll await apologies from all those who savaged those of us who pointed at the obvious issues.
Sun Feb 17, 2019, 08:00 AM
Feb 2019

Probably wait a LONG time.

The biggest issue to me was also the simplest. A man, walking in Jan cold in Chicago at 2am, is going to be wrapped up against the cold. Not much visible. And two people are going to recognize him. A man who isnt a major star? Possible but not likely.

Now will all those politicians and stars who quickly jumped to this also post their disgust if this is true?

Its already tough for victims of real attacks to come forward as it is. Shit like this just makes it even more distressing for them.

jcmaine72

(1,773 posts)
22. If CNN was half as partisan as Dotard & his deplorables are always whining that they are...
Sun Feb 17, 2019, 08:43 AM
Feb 2019

...they'd spend as much if not more time covering his infinitely bigger and more destructive lies then this pathetic and ultimately insignificant prevarication cooked up by an obviously unwell Jussie Smollett.

PBC_Democrat

(401 posts)
27. He Played Robin Roberts
Sun Feb 17, 2019, 11:15 PM
Feb 2019

I'm a huge GMA fan, been recording and watching it for many years, and I hate the fact that he played Robin Roberts.

I hate the Trump and the MAGA crap as much as anyone, but false accusations don't help anyone.

 

DRoseDARs

(6,810 posts)
31. You need to be *very* careful with what you're implying there...
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 03:26 AM
Feb 2019

I can't really speak for others, but I stated my thoughts clearly up-thread.

madville

(7,410 posts)
35. I think its a relief that it didn't actually happen
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 03:45 PM
Feb 2019

Who really wanted to believe there are racist, homophobic, Trump supporters roaming the streets of Chicago attacking people with nooses and bleach?

madville

(7,410 posts)
36. Latest News: Case heading to grand jury this week
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 03:50 PM
Feb 2019

Presentation of the case was originally scheduled for Tuesday but has been pushed back, prosecutors will be attempting to indict Smollett for the false police report which is a felony in IL, carries a 1-3 year sentence in state prison. Police have the two brothers in protective custody and they will be voluntarily testifying before the grand jury.

Smollett's spokesperson stated that he will not be talking to the police today. (I seriously doubt he talks to them again, basically giving them more evidence at this point)

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