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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,437 posts)
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:41 PM Apr 2019

Trump says Tiger Woods will receive Medal of Freedom

Source: The Hill

Trump says Tiger Woods will receive Medal of Freedom
BY JORDAN FABIAN - 04/15/19 01:43 PM EDT

President Trump said Monday that he will award Tiger Woods with the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the nation’s highest civilian honor, on the heels of the pro golf great's comeback win at last weekend’s Masters Tournament.

“Spoke to @TigerWoods to congratulate him on the great victory he had in yesterday’s @TheMasters, & to inform him that because of his incredible Success & Comeback in Sports (Golf) and, more importantly, LIFE, I will be presenting him with the PRESIDENTIAL MEDAL OF FREEDOM!” Trump tweeted.

{snip}

Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/438949-trump-says-tiger-woods-will-receive-medal-of-freedom



I prefer not to post articles in LBN that begin with "Trump says," but this is news.

Hat tip, Joe.My.God.: https://www.joemygod.com/2019/04/tiger-woods-to-receive-presidential-medal-of-freedom/
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Trump says Tiger Woods will receive Medal of Freedom (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2019 OP
I guess OJ Simpson is next. El Supremo Apr 2019 #1
You see a lot of similarities in the two? Inkfreak Apr 2019 #29
Ya, they're both Uncle Toms louis c Apr 2019 #67
Toatally uncalled for and over the top. Please self delete. marble falls Apr 2019 #82
That is disparaging of any black person at140 Apr 2019 #95
I'm sorry, but it seems to fit both of them... louis c Apr 2019 #104
Did Tiger Woods kill his wife already? at140 Apr 2019 #53
Tiger is a Trump asshole... louis c Apr 2019 #68
What has that got to do with Tiger's at140 Apr 2019 #93
You think a Nazi who won an olympic medal qualifies? louis c Apr 2019 #106
Tiger woods is diametrically opposite of a Nazi at140 Apr 2019 #111
My point isn't that Tiger is a Nazi (although he supports one)... louis c Apr 2019 #114
Tiger is focused on his sport for some time now at140 Apr 2019 #120
Licking Trump's balls doesn't qualify Tiger for some sort of award? louis c Apr 2019 #123
You are not getting it... at140 Apr 2019 #124
Fuck Tiger Woods... louis c Apr 2019 #127
Nice try Trump, but I don't think it will win many Black voters. olegramps Apr 2019 #112
dRumpf is such a piece of shit.... Hulk Apr 2019 #2
Both are that. rockfordfile Apr 2019 #3
What did he overcome? Control-Z Apr 2019 #8
Sex addiction for one. During that time was of course his divorce. Complete public humiliation. okaawhatever Apr 2019 #9
So sad. Control-Z Apr 2019 #15
I am not one to say that people can't turn their lives around. LisaM Apr 2019 #25
Oh, believe me. I'm with you on the Medal of Freedom. There are a million people who deserve okaawhatever Apr 2019 #99
Do you often mock the difficulties others have in life? Inkfreak Apr 2019 #28
You are joking, right? eom Control-Z Apr 2019 #31
No worries, I already knew the answer. Inkfreak Apr 2019 #33
You don't know me. Control-Z Apr 2019 #35
You don't know Tiger, either. Inkfreak Apr 2019 #37
I know enough. Control-Z Apr 2019 #40
You don't need to feel badly. Inkfreak Apr 2019 #46
Sex addiction. Please. Can anyone think of a more bullshit affliction? louis c Apr 2019 #69
Tiger deserves the medal of freedom like this guy deserves a purple heart louis c Apr 2019 #70
He also had terrible back issues. Out of golf for a long time because he could hardly move. oldsoftie Apr 2019 #81
He had a bad back. RhodeIslandOne Apr 2019 #11
Yeah, so I did know the entire story. Control-Z Apr 2019 #17
Give him a break wcollar Apr 2019 #20
You are just lucky I wasn't Control-Z Apr 2019 #26
Something about getting caught cheating on his wife ..... groundloop Apr 2019 #12
See, the thing is, these guys brag about it Control-Z Apr 2019 #18
Yes, the urge to not bang every attractive woman he sees was so hard on him. BlueStater Apr 2019 #50
When very attractive women throw themselves at you, at140 Apr 2019 #54
He cheated on his wife and is friends with Trump. BlueStater Apr 2019 #56
I don't think that bothers Tiger Woods at140 Apr 2019 #60
You think I give a shit what Tiger Woods thinks about anything? BlueStater Apr 2019 #65
Talk to me after Lindsey Vonn like at140 Apr 2019 #94
Maybe you're like that, but quite a few of us aren't. BlueStater Apr 2019 #97
Correct and I like that we are all at140 Apr 2019 #113
Cheating on your spouse isn't a difference anyone should strive for. BlueStater Apr 2019 #118
United States is leader in the world at140 Apr 2019 #121
I don't even know what point you're trying to make anymore. BlueStater Apr 2019 #125
Simple point.... at140 Apr 2019 #126
No, I will. BlueStater Apr 2019 #129
Tiger is being praised by many for his golf, not his marital behavior at140 Apr 2019 #130
Actually I have had that happen occasionally through the years and it is not that hard to resist if dameatball Apr 2019 #107
Good for you! at140 Apr 2019 #110
Right. The funny thing is that my first wife ended up cheating on me, so I guess it indeed goes to dameatball Apr 2019 #115
easy if you have zero self respect Skittles May 2019 #137
wtf ? dweller Apr 2019 #4
This has to be a joke Botany Apr 2019 #5
Because nothing says "defending democracy" like winning a golf tournament! n/t TygrBright Apr 2019 #6
Exactly, for winning a golf tournament? Defending democracy is about wining at golf? SharonAnn Apr 2019 #52
Apparently you don't know much about the Medal of Freedom onenote Apr 2019 #57
Why not Pete rose. Tiger's in that class. louis c Apr 2019 #71
"what exactly did he (Yogi Berra) do to defend "democracy"? John Fante Apr 2019 #78
So why Yogi and not any of these ball players onenote Apr 2019 #87
Hope this is not true BUT bluestarone Apr 2019 #7
Looks like Trump wants to steal some the glory of Tiger winning the Masters.. jimmyzvoice Apr 2019 #10
You are spot on! SallyHemmings Apr 2019 #13
You nailed it. watoos Apr 2019 #16
Oh yeah, he can't stand someone else getting the spotlight! Initech Apr 2019 #21
This! happy feet Apr 2019 #24
Yep, Hollywood has a good name for it: Starfking stuffmatters Apr 2019 #38
exactly Demovictory9 Apr 2019 #76
Oh FFS... Blue Owl Apr 2019 #14
Plus you know.... durablend Apr 2019 #19
No. mahannah Apr 2019 #22
Trump is always leaching off of others good fortune. What a fkn loser. iluvtennis Apr 2019 #23
Now we know he's not a racist. JohnnyRingo Apr 2019 #27
Will Kid Rock and Ted Nugent be getting medals too? nt TexasTowelie Apr 2019 #30
So what does this board think about exboyfil Apr 2019 #32
Bill Clinton got impeached. The other two died before the public found out. louis c Apr 2019 #72
Umm, the question was what this board thinks about FDR, JFK, robbob Apr 2019 #96
Tiger Woods is an asshole... louis c Apr 2019 #103
Your facts mean nothing here!! oldsoftie Apr 2019 #83
I think FDR had flaws JonLP24 May 2019 #136
Wow. I thought I wandered in to another Onion headline. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2019 #34
Me too. I was sure of it. JenniferJuniper Apr 2019 #44
Anything to Pump Up The Orange Buffoon! Careful, Tiger, Everything He Touches Turns to Shit! DoctorJoJo Apr 2019 #36
Smh truthisfreedom Apr 2019 #39
Because tRump thinks that Golf is the most important thing in the world? Marie Marie Apr 2019 #41
Because giving the medal to important sports figures has become the norm onenote Apr 2019 #42
I hope Tiger understands how stupid this is... BlueIdaho Apr 2019 #43
Why? onenote Apr 2019 #48
Did Nicklaus win Masters after a dozen years of absence from golf? at140 Apr 2019 #63
Tiger's impact on the game BlueIdaho Apr 2019 #66
Winning is all that matters and Jack did it more often (in majors) than Tiger. John Fante Apr 2019 #79
You are correct on score at140 Apr 2019 #92
The only reason Tiger Woods won the Masters ... JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2019 #45
Truly funny post! at140 Apr 2019 #55
OMG, he degrades everything he touches. KatyaR Apr 2019 #47
From one Pussy Grabber to another INdemo Apr 2019 #49
Tiger is opposite of Trump! at140 Apr 2019 #62
That is obscene. 50 Shades Of Blue Apr 2019 #51
what tiger did, after 3 back surgeries, is pretty amazing. but C'MON. Kurt V. Apr 2019 #58
It is the greatest comeback in sports history! at140 Apr 2019 #61
Geat. But medal of freedom? louis c Apr 2019 #73
Medal of freedom is irrelevant gift for at140 Apr 2019 #89
Didn't Foreman regain the heavyweight title at 46? John Fante Apr 2019 #80
I beat that by never having the opportunity oldsoftie Apr 2019 #86
Huge difference between at140 Apr 2019 #90
And that entire crowd was going NUTS. Which is kinda rare. oldsoftie Apr 2019 #85
Such BS,he knocked a ball around for a few days you IDIOT! Bengus81 Apr 2019 #59
It bigger than golf tiger!! Maxheader Apr 2019 #64
Watch tiger fall for the whole ego-trip. lindysalsagal Apr 2019 #74
What if Tiger lost? djacq Apr 2019 #75
FUCK THEM BOTH Ferrets are Cool Apr 2019 #77
sorry not_the_one Apr 2019 #84
Medal of Freedom? For a golf tournament? You see where Trump's priorities lie. YOHABLO Apr 2019 #88
this was also my reaction. MBS Apr 2019 #101
There are always plenty of qualified candidates bernie59 Apr 2019 #91
probably be serving him McDonalds and Burger King too agincourt Apr 2019 #98
Probably a "private dining experience" nitpicker Apr 2019 #100
Trump is simply pandering WhoWoodaKnew Apr 2019 #102
Trump needs to attach himself to a winner Blue_Tires Apr 2019 #105
From today's cartoons: mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2019 #108
Let's just say he is getting the DJT medal of freedom bedazzled Apr 2019 #109
This is some weird shit man! sdfernando Apr 2019 #116
Tiger Woods Deserves It, But Not For Reason Trump Stated erpowers Apr 2019 #117
I cannot remember if woods is an adulterer, or an abuser. niyad Apr 2019 #119
I spent a fair amount of time defending Obama from republican attacks against Sapient Donkey Apr 2019 #122
Take a closer look at that list though. cemaphonic Apr 2019 #133
That's what I was trying to say Sapient Donkey Apr 2019 #134
Count on trump to trash all the positive elements of Tiger's return. Paladin Apr 2019 #128
A new low bar. I know parents who deserve the PMF more than Tiger. Ilsa Apr 2019 #131
It's cool he's off DUI probation now with a clean record. Money can buy happiness. IADEMO2004 Apr 2019 #132
Every time I see this I want to Ferrets are Cool May 2019 #135

at140

(6,110 posts)
95. That is disparaging of any black person
Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:32 AM
Apr 2019

Who does not wish to be progressive. You are better than that.

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
104. I'm sorry, but it seems to fit both of them...
Tue Apr 16, 2019, 08:44 AM
Apr 2019

<snip>In short terms, Uncle Tom is labeled to persons, similar to snitch or betrayer, whose motive is driven by acceptance that doing slavery was just how the (antebellum) Southern society worked, whether the acceptance is spontaneous or coerced.

The term "Uncle Tom" is used as a derogatory epithet for an excessively subservient person, particularly when that person perceives their own lower-class status based on race. It is similarly used to negatively describe a person who betrays their own group by participating in its oppression, whether or not they do so willingly.[1][11] The term has also, with more intended neutrality, been applied in psychology in the form "Uncle Tom syndrome", a term for the use of subservience, appeasement and passivity to cope with intimidation and threats.

The popular negative connotations of "Uncle Tom" have largely been attributed to the numerous derivative works inspired by Uncle Tom's Cabin in the decade after its release, rather than the original novel itself, whose title character is a more positive figure.[2] These works lampooned and distorted the portrayal of Uncle Tom with politically loaded overtones<snip.


link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Tom

at140

(6,110 posts)
53. Did Tiger Woods kill his wife already?
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:36 PM
Apr 2019

Common...there is nothing much common between Tiger and OJ when measured on the basis of behavior towards women.

at140

(6,110 posts)
93. What has that got to do with Tiger's
Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:23 AM
Apr 2019

Phenomenal win at Master's? The subject of this thread is sports achievement, not political agenda.

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
106. You think a Nazi who won an olympic medal qualifies?
Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:20 AM
Apr 2019

The medal of freedom is bestowed for more than just an athletic achievement.

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
114. My point isn't that Tiger is a Nazi (although he supports one)...
Tue Apr 16, 2019, 10:29 AM
Apr 2019

...it's that there is more to receiving the medal of freedom than being a great golfer.

Other than golfing, could you please tell me one thing Tiger has done to effect social justice or helping others?

Like when other athletes knelt to bring attention to the mistreatment of young men of color. Did Tiger speak up? or did Tiger suck up?

at140

(6,110 posts)
120. Tiger is focused on his sport for some time now
Tue Apr 16, 2019, 05:58 PM
Apr 2019

I don't think he was ever involved in social justice issues. This thread is all about Tiger receiving medal of freedom. I am not by any means well versed on what basis medal of freedom is awarded. Most likely Trump is trying to milk a share of Tiger's tremendous feat in sports.
I am simply defending Tiger's extraordinary achievement without disparaging him as uncle Tom.

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
123. Licking Trump's balls doesn't qualify Tiger for some sort of award?
Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:04 PM
Apr 2019

And you're right. Tiger was never involved in social justice issues. you made my point.

He did, however, find time to be used as a prop by Heir Trump on numerous occasions.

Maybe Tiger will receive the medal of freedom in a ceremony he can share with another sports world icon, Don King.

at140

(6,110 posts)
124. You are not getting it...
Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:32 PM
Apr 2019

I can admire a great sports achievement without using a litmus test of social justice.
Not everyone is active in social justice. Many are just too busy perfecting their trade.
From age 24-40 I worked averaging 60+ hours every week, many without pay.
I simply had no energy or time for social justice, and as a man with brown skin from
south Asia, I saw subtle prejudice everyday, but I simply out-worked all the others
and got ahead of most of them in spite of the prejudice against brown people not born in America.

In a way I furthered social justice in my outfit, because the company began hiring lot more
south Asians after watching my work.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
112. Nice try Trump, but I don't think it will win many Black voters.
Tue Apr 16, 2019, 10:22 AM
Apr 2019

I will venture to say that most wealthy people are Republican supporters because they want to protect their millions. Just plain greed. It is hard to overcome.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
2. dRumpf is such a piece of shit....
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:47 PM
Apr 2019

Do have to admit Tiger did overcome some pretty hard times to make the mark....but the despicable sack of horse shit handing out awards repulses me.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
8. What did he overcome?
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:54 PM
Apr 2019

I'm sorry. Did he fall on hard times? Eat at a soup kitchen? Live on the streets? Get taken advantage of?

I must not know his entire story.

okaawhatever

(9,461 posts)
9. Sex addiction for one. During that time was of course his divorce. Complete public humiliation.
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:57 PM
Apr 2019

He went to rehab for it and has gradually clawed his way back to the top.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
15. So sad.
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:07 PM
Apr 2019

But he persevered? Wow. That sex addition. Miserable thing.


Getting over the humiliation of being caught cheating on your wife. That is something, huh?


I've got one for you. I know someone (quite well) who claims to be a sex addict. He takes Viagra.

Just think about it.

LisaM

(27,808 posts)
25. I am not one to say that people can't turn their lives around.
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:32 PM
Apr 2019

He seems to be a better person - has been through a couple of relationships, seems to be doing a good job with his kids (his daughter was in a state soccer championship), and has worked through pain and personal issues. I don't think it's fair to say that people can't get better after making mistakes.

But the Medal of Freedom????? GIVE ME A BREAK.

okaawhatever

(9,461 posts)
99. Oh, believe me. I'm with you on the Medal of Freedom. There are a million people who deserve
Tue Apr 16, 2019, 03:23 AM
Apr 2019

it more. That being said, I hope that one day he'll share his experiences and help others who struggle with the same issues. Celebrities going to rehab for booze/drugs isn't a big deal. Going for "other things" including possible sex addiction is another. Also, he has had like 20+ injuries including several back surgeries and multiple problems with his left knee. Since I'm assuming he isn't addicted to opioids, he might be able to bring attention to the problem and help people afraid to have surgery. He's collapsed on the golf course from pain. He can probably reach people that doctors can't.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
40. I know enough.
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:30 PM
Apr 2019

And I know other men like him. Other than his golf status he's just another entitled man who believed (probably still believes) he deserved mistresses along with his wife and family.

Tell me what I'm supposed to feel badly about?

Seems his wife and kids are the ones who suffered.

Inkfreak

(1,695 posts)
46. You don't need to feel badly.
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:05 PM
Apr 2019

You should probably leave your clear biases...

“he's just another entitled man“

at the door when speaking of someone you know nothing about.

Addictions come in many forms. Many rooted in emotional and/or mental issues. All can have devastating consequences in a person life. You’ve developed a hierarchy of people with problems in life, and feel the need to belittle those that don’t sit near the top of that imagined list.

Weird.

And as far as “entitled”, that man earned every cent along with a lot of respect and admiration by become one of the greatest players of the game. Through tireless effort and determination. Losing much that and regaining it is something to be commended. Not torn down.

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
69. Sex addiction. Please. Can anyone think of a more bullshit affliction?
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:26 PM
Apr 2019

"Oh, honey, I'm not really cheating on you, I have a sex addiction, like Tiger and Trump. No need to get a divorce."

What bullshit. Who made up this cock and bull affliction.

Sex addict? That's a joke and it is used to make a fucking asshole out of the loyal spouse.

It reminds me of the Twinkie defense.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
11. He had a bad back.
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:58 PM
Apr 2019

Couldn't walk, couldn't swing a club etc etc.

Yeah, I don't give a shit either. He's an entitled jerk.

wcollar

(176 posts)
20. Give him a break
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:14 PM
Apr 2019

A bad back is almost as debilitating as bone spurs.
Apparently both destroy moral fiber.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
26. You are just lucky I wasn't
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:40 PM
Apr 2019

drinking my tea when I read that! Lol.

They just don't teach these things in public schools. How was I to know that bone spurs and bad backs destroy moral fiber?


groundloop

(11,518 posts)
12. Something about getting caught cheating on his wife .....
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:58 PM
Apr 2019

So yes, as far as Tiny is concerned that was tough times.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
50. Yes, the urge to not bang every attractive woman he sees was so hard on him.
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:23 PM
Apr 2019

Last edited Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:57 PM - Edit history (1)

Fuck that guy.

at140

(6,110 posts)
54. When very attractive women throw themselves at you,
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:39 PM
Apr 2019

it is very difficult to push them away. Unless you have experienced it first hand,
it is difficult to comprehend. Tiger did not stalk them and assualt them. Those women
wanted to bang him more than vice versa.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
56. He cheated on his wife and is friends with Trump.
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:41 PM
Apr 2019

I think that's more than enough for me not to like him.

at140

(6,110 posts)
60. I don't think that bothers Tiger Woods
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:17 PM
Apr 2019

that you do not like him. My point was when very attractive females approach you, it is very difficult for a red blooded male to refuse. It is not whether it is right or wrong. It is just the male genes. If it never happened to you, you won't understand.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
65. You think I give a shit what Tiger Woods thinks about anything?
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 07:15 PM
Apr 2019

Your post is nonsense, by the way. It's not difficult at all to resist the urge to commit infidelity. It's called being a good person. Stop making excuses for a cheater by talking about men like they're a bunch of awful stereotypes who are only capable of thinking with their dicks.

at140

(6,110 posts)
113. Correct and I like that we are all
Tue Apr 16, 2019, 10:25 AM
Apr 2019

Not exactly same. Diversity is to be appreciated, and I prefer not to put down others because they do not think exactly like myself.

at140

(6,110 posts)
121. United States is leader in the world
Tue Apr 16, 2019, 06:03 PM
Apr 2019

On divorce statistics. Plenty of cheating goes on.
And cheating seldom happens in a vacuum.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
125. I don't even know what point you're trying to make anymore.
Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:46 PM
Apr 2019

Also, he didn't just cheat on his wife once. It wasn't just a lone incident of moral failing. He did it dozens of times. He's a scumbag.

at140

(6,110 posts)
126. Simple point....
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 12:30 AM
Apr 2019

Do not judge others based on sitting on your high horse. You dont know what drives spouses to cheat. like I said cheating does not happen in a vacuum. It takes 2 to tango.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
129. No, I will.
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 11:32 AM
Apr 2019

I don't think it takes much effort at all to keep it in your pants and not betray a person you love, especially multiple fucking times in Tiger Woods' case.

at140

(6,110 posts)
130. Tiger is being praised by many for his golf, not his marital behavior
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 08:49 PM
Apr 2019

Tiger's private life does not affect anyone one iota.
But us die hard golfers admire his extra-ordinary golfing skills.

dameatball

(7,397 posts)
107. Actually I have had that happen occasionally through the years and it is not that hard to resist if
Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:31 AM
Apr 2019

you respect and value the relationship you are in. You are using a very broad brush even though in some instances you are correct.

at140

(6,110 posts)
110. Good for you!
Tue Apr 16, 2019, 10:19 AM
Apr 2019

Keep in mind people are all different and I prefer not to judge them since we all grow up in different family backgrounds.

dameatball

(7,397 posts)
115. Right. The funny thing is that my first wife ended up cheating on me, so I guess it indeed goes to
Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:11 AM
Apr 2019

show that we are all different and react to things in a variety of ways. Have a good day.

Botany

(70,502 posts)
5. This has to be a joke
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:50 PM
Apr 2019

Mr. Woods was one very foul human being a few years back.

One of my customers' husband had dealings with him @ a golf
tournament where his company had a hospitality tent set up for
their customers and he didn't have anything good to say about
Eldrick Woods.

onenote

(42,700 posts)
57. Apparently you don't know much about the Medal of Freedom
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:43 PM
Apr 2019

It recognizes individuals who have made "an especially meritorious contribution to the security or national interests of the United States, world peace, cultural or other significant public or private endeavors"

President Obama awarded the Medal of Freedom to Yogi Berra. What exactly did he do to "defend democracy"? Or Loretta Lynn? Or Stan Musial, Vin Scully, Willie Mays or Michael Jordan?

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
78. "what exactly did he (Yogi Berra) do to defend "democracy"?
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:51 PM
Apr 2019

You mean besides literally defend democracy during WWII? Not much I guess.

onenote

(42,700 posts)
87. So why Yogi and not any of these ball players
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:20 PM
Apr 2019

Warren Spahn.
Larry Doby
Hank Greenberg
Bob Feller
Pee Wee Reese

Just a few of the nearly three dozen members of the Baseball Hall of Fame who served overseas during WWII.

And why Stan Musial, who continued to play ball through most of the war before enlisting at the very end of the war and spending his short term in the service far from the action.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
16. You nailed it.
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:08 PM
Apr 2019

Trump may even play a round of golf with Tiger and claim to have beaten him and confiscate his Masters victory.

Tiger is not a nice person. Arnie Palmer deserves the medal of Freedom.

JohnnyRingo

(18,628 posts)
27. Now we know he's not a racist.
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:41 PM
Apr 2019

This fixes everything he's said and done for the past 60 years.

Or what Trump would call "one of the good ones"..

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
32. So what does this board think about
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:50 PM
Apr 2019

FDR, JFK, and Bill Clinton?

Can you separate the accomplishments from the personality? Woods is either the greatest or second greatest golfer in PGA history.

"an especially meritorious contribution to the security or national interests of the United States, world peace, cultural or other significant public or private endeavors"

Three other golfers have won the award, Nicklaus, Palmer, and Slifford.

Babe Ruth has also won the award, and Woods is no where in the class of womanizing as Ruth.

James Watson has also won the award. Also Whittaker Chambers. Bill Cosby as well.

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
72. Bill Clinton got impeached. The other two died before the public found out.
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:35 PM
Apr 2019

Well anyway, Tiger belongs in the company of Chambers and Cosby.

robbob

(3,528 posts)
96. Umm, the question was what this board thinks about FDR, JFK,
Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:39 AM
Apr 2019

and Bill Clinton. Which I think we all know the answer to, for the most part these men are greatly admired, in spite of their philandering ways.

And comparing Tiger Woods to Bill Cosby? Just wow.

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
103. Tiger Woods is an asshole...
Tue Apr 16, 2019, 08:28 AM
Apr 2019

Just perhaps not as big an asshole as Cosby, but an asshole none the less.

Medal of Freedom? For what? There should be other contributions to society than just an athletic achievement. If the criteria is just being very good in your chosen profession and doing nothing else of value, I can think of about 1,500 people who deserve that honor before Tiger.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
136. I think FDR had flaws
Sat May 4, 2019, 10:01 PM
May 2019

JFK was too soon to see what he may have accomplished but his first 100 days were great. I don't want to go there with Bill Clinton. Yes, the economy was great but with PNTR in his last year in office was the big killer as far as manufacturing jobs going overseas.

Did Bill Cosby win it before or after his rapes were known? Why not put Darren Sharper into the HOF? (Rhetorical but Peter King was willing to die on that hill)

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,326 posts)
34. Wow. I thought I wandered in to another Onion headline.
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:01 PM
Apr 2019

Trump was probably up all night tripping on baldness medication watching ESPN.

onenote

(42,700 posts)
42. Because giving the medal to important sports figures has become the norm
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:43 PM
Apr 2019

No one gave out the Medal of Freedom to more sports figures than President Obama, but I don't recall a lot of criticism of him for doing so.

The standard for the Medal of Freedom recognizes individuals who have made "an especially meritorious contribution to... cultural or other significant public or private endeavors."

While his private life turned into a mess, there is no question that Tiger has been as important to the sport of golf as most of the other sports figures receiving the Medal have been to their sports.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
43. I hope Tiger understands how stupid this is...
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:53 PM
Apr 2019

Shouldn’t his record be at least as good as Jack Nicklaus’ record?

onenote

(42,700 posts)
48. Why?
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:16 PM
Apr 2019

Do you think Arnold Palmer shouldn't have been awarded the Medal of Freedom because his record isn't as good as Jack's? Or that Obama shouldn't have awarded the Medal to Yogi Berra, Willie Mays, and Stan Musial because there are baseball players with better "records" than those three?

at140

(6,110 posts)
63. Did Nicklaus win Masters after a dozen years of absence from golf?
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:28 PM
Apr 2019

During Tiger's prime, he won majors with far more strokes over competition than Nicklaus ever did.
Tiger won his first Master's with one of the highest margin of strokes over his closest pursuer. And he repeated it many times again. Nicklaus won most tournament by just a couple of strokes.

Not saying Nicklaus was the best player of his era. All I want to say is Nicklaus never crushed his competition like Tiger did during his prime years.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
66. Tiger's impact on the game
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:59 PM
Apr 2019

Isn’t close to Jack’s. In terms of wins, longevity, popularity, and impact on the game - Tiger’s just not the player Jack was - and he would tell you so himself.

at140

(6,110 posts)
92. You are correct on score
Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:20 AM
Apr 2019

But not correct on worldwide impact of Tiger versus Jack. Golf is now a world wide sport and that phenom took off during Tiger's rein, not Jack's. Tiger has like 10 times name recognition compared to Jack Nicklaus.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,339 posts)
45. The only reason Tiger Woods won the Masters ...
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:54 PM
Apr 2019

... is that Trump wasn't playing, with his army of fore-caddies to miraculously find his ball in the finest locations, maybe in the hole.

at140

(6,110 posts)
62. Tiger is opposite of Trump!
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:23 PM
Apr 2019

Trump grabs pussies of women un-invited.
Tiger merely can not refuse overtures from beautiful blonde women who wish to bang him!
Tiger is not famous for grabbing pussies un-invited.

at140

(6,110 posts)
61. It is the greatest comeback in sports history!
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:20 PM
Apr 2019

To come back after more than a decade of absence from sport, at age in mid-40's to win the hardest tournament to win is a phenomenal achievement. It reflects on amazing hard work, persistence and resilience combined with incredible natural talent.

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
73. Geat. But medal of freedom?
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:37 PM
Apr 2019

How about Tiger's wife? What does she deserve?

Aren't these things for more than just an accomplishment? don't you have to have some moral character. I guess with Trump, the answer is no.

at140

(6,110 posts)
89. Medal of freedom is irrelevant gift for
Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:07 AM
Apr 2019

Even a tremendous sports achievement. Looks to me like Trump wants to share Tiger's glory.

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
80. Didn't Foreman regain the heavyweight title at 46?
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:02 PM
Apr 2019

A lot of Tiger's struggles were self-inflicted, so it's difficult to admire his "comeback kid" story. Congrats Tiger, you beat your addiction to screwing everything that moves. Hooray?

at140

(6,110 posts)
90. Huge difference between
Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:12 AM
Apr 2019

A heavy weight boxing match where one lucky punch ends the match, and 72 holes of continuous play with every one of the 280 shots counts towards winning the tournament.

Maxheader

(4,373 posts)
64. It bigger than golf tiger!!
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 07:09 PM
Apr 2019

The traitor is a racist, xenophobic whack job, tiger..You need to step up to that, you need to understand people are looking up to you not only for your golfing successes, but to speak against stumpys attempt to used your name to promote itself to minority voters...

lindysalsagal

(20,680 posts)
74. Watch tiger fall for the whole ego-trip.
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:50 PM
Apr 2019

Hitting a little white ball around with a club.

Let's give medals to people who care for terminally house-bound patients. Let's call that heroic. How about that

djacq

(1,634 posts)
75. What if Tiger lost?
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:20 PM
Apr 2019

The award recognizes those people who have made "an especially meritorious contribution to the security or national interests of the United States, world peace, cultural or other significant public or private endeavors".

Although his come back is a personal achievement, his past behaivior reflected negatively upon the sport.

Redemption is not granted based on racking up the number
of awards, rather receiving forgiveness from those that you caused pain.

MBS

(9,688 posts)
101. this was also my reaction.
Tue Apr 16, 2019, 06:26 AM
Apr 2019

I'm happy for Tiger Woods that he won the tournament, but Medal of Freedom achievement it is not.
Trump has cheapened this honor, as he has cheapened and polluted everything and everyone he touches.

 

bernie59

(87 posts)
91. There are always plenty of qualified candidates
Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:18 AM
Apr 2019

but I don't have a problem with Tiger Woods being chosen. And frankly, this is time to do it, after reaching the pinnacle in his comeback journey. We don't know how long his comeback career will last (although it looking good at the moment).

agincourt

(1,996 posts)
98. probably be serving him McDonalds and Burger King too
Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:01 AM
Apr 2019

then brag that he paid for it. Tiger just might be thinking "oh no" on this one.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
105. Trump needs to attach himself to a winner
Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:08 AM
Apr 2019

and he needs a new "black person photo-op" since the Kanye+Kim one has gotten stale.

sdfernando

(4,935 posts)
116. This is some weird shit man!
Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:46 AM
Apr 2019

Medal of Freedom for what?

If mr. woods truly has turned his life around and really cares about people, and totally owns up to all the crap shit he has put people through, then he should simply refuse the award

The Presidential Medal of Freedom was established by President John F. Kennedy with the following citation:

"An especially meritorious contribution to the security or national interests of the United States, world peace, cultural or other significant public or private endeavors."

I don't see how winning a golf tournament qualifies...Nor do I see how turning your life around qualifies.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
117. Tiger Woods Deserves It, But Not For Reason Trump Stated
Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:01 PM
Apr 2019

Tiger Woods deserves the Presidential Medal of Freedom, but not for the reason Donald Trump stated. Woods deserves the medal because of the work he has done to help young people get educations.

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
122. I spent a fair amount of time defending Obama from republican attacks against
Tue Apr 16, 2019, 06:26 PM
Apr 2019

his awardings of the Presidential Medical of Freedom. If I was to go after Trump over this, then those who I called out for their attacks on Obama would easily be able to call me a hypocrite. I don't like Trump as much as anyone else who is a decent person, but I think there's far more legitimate issues to go after Trump for.

I am using this list to help me form my opinion on this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidential_Medal_of_Freedom_recipients

cemaphonic

(4,138 posts)
133. Take a closer look at that list though.
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 02:22 PM
Apr 2019

I definitely think that Tiger Woods is a reasonable pick, given the standards and precedents of previous recipients (and I'm someone that has zero interest in golf or televised sports in general). The MOF is supposed to celebrate cultural figures, among others, and sports are a huge part of our culture.

But if you look at previous presidents, Obama in particular, there are a wide range of fields represented - multiple arts, science, politics, business, etc. With Trump, almost all of his picks are either personal friends, or sports figures. Like everything else with Trump, it's just an extension of his ego.

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
134. That's what I was trying to say
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 02:30 PM
Apr 2019

Tiger Woods seems to fit based on previous people who received it. I never gave it much thought until I saw Obama was being shat on by the right-wing for who he gave it to. I recall I was banned from commenting on Breitbart articles in which I posted a list to previous recipients to show there was nothing unusual about Obama's choices. They would delete the posts and ban anyone who brought that up. Such jackasses. Actually, it may not have been Breitbart, it may have been the even more ridiculous gateway pundit.

But that being said, I agree this is just Trump dong it for his egotistical reasons. I don't think Trump puts a whole lot of deep intelligent thought into anything he does or says.

Paladin

(28,255 posts)
128. Count on trump to trash all the positive elements of Tiger's return.
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 09:09 AM
Apr 2019

I would hope that Tiger has the strength of character to respectfully decline this "honor." I don't think it was ever intended as an award for a golfer making a strong comeback. Not by anybody other than a lowlife scumbag like trump.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
131. A new low bar. I know parents who deserve the PMF more than Tiger.
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 09:38 PM
Apr 2019

I respect Tiger Woods, what he's done in golf, and how he turned his personal life around (although I really don't know if he has).

But the PMF? Tiger had a ton of notoriety and money and he used it to mess up his life. So, he was on third base, slumped back to first base, and now he's on third again, And we're supposed to be worked up over someone finally doing the right thing and being a better example for his kids?

This is a low bar. I personally know parents and teachers and ministers who've done more than this.

IADEMO2004

(5,554 posts)
132. It's cool he's off DUI probation now with a clean record. Money can buy happiness.
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 10:56 AM
Apr 2019

https://www.eonline.com/news/889894/tiger-woods-pleads-guilty-to-reckless-driving-after-dui-arrest

The 41-year-old former golfer, who last won a championship in 2008, was booked on a driving under the influence charge in Jupiter, Florida after he was found asleep behind the wheel of his Mercedes-Benz, which was parked about 15 miles away from his home.

As part of his plea deal and diversion program, the four-time Masters champion will spend a year on probation, attend DUI school within a month, perform 20 hours of community service, attend a workshop where victims of impaired drivers discuss how their lives were damaged and pay a $250 fine within six months as well as court costs and make an additional $250 donation to Palm Beach County Victim Services.

If he completes his duties, his reckless driving charge will be expunged from his record. If he violates probation, it will be revoked and he could face a 90-day jail sentence and a fine of up to $500.


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