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Fri Apr 19, 2019, 08:27 AM

Amid measles outbreak, anti-vaccination mother defends "medical freedom"

Source: CBS News

Health officials fear Americans traveling for this weekend's religious holidays could worsen the growing measles outbreak. There are at least 555 confirmed cases in 20 states, according to the CDC, and most are said to involve school age kids.

A judge in New York dismissed a lawsuit Thursday that challenged an emergency declaration requiring residents of certain hard-hit neighborhoods to get vaccinated. While the mandatory vaccinations are still in effect, the judge did strike criminal penalties from the order. New York City has issued civil summonses for fines up to $1,000 to three parents for failing to vaccinate their children.

CBS News' Mola Lenghi spoke to one of the parents who is suing New York City, which is facing the largest measles outbreak in the country, over an order to ban unvaccinated people from public places.

"They said they won't be bullied, these are very brave people who came forward," said attorney Robert Krakow, who represents the families in the suit. "We're all for the appropriate measures to control an outbreak of disease … but New Yorkers are going to accept criminal penalties for vaccination, that's not appropriate. People have a right to make their choice."

Read more: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/measles-outbreak-new-york-mother-defends-not-vaccinating/

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Reply Amid measles outbreak, anti-vaccination mother defends "medical freedom" (Original post)
groundloop Apr 2019 OP
jpak Apr 2019 #1
greymattermom Apr 2019 #2
greymattermom Apr 2019 #3
no_hypocrisy Apr 2019 #4
LiberalArkie Apr 2019 #5
emmaverybo Apr 2019 #16
geralmar Apr 2019 #33
ArizonaLib Apr 2019 #6
shawn703 Apr 2019 #7
Igel Apr 2019 #8
Aristus Apr 2019 #9
camelfan Apr 2019 #12
sdfernando Apr 2019 #14
Opel_Justwax Apr 2019 #10
Lonestarblue Apr 2019 #11
Politicub Apr 2019 #13
Nitram Apr 2019 #15
CTAtheist Apr 2019 #17
Lucky Luciano Apr 2019 #18
uriel1972 Apr 2019 #19
YOHABLO Apr 2019 #20
Haggis for Breakfast Apr 2019 #21
AwakeAtLast Apr 2019 #22
GulfCoast66 Apr 2019 #23
Kablooie Apr 2019 #24
uriel1972 Apr 2019 #25
LonePirate Apr 2019 #26
Beartracks Apr 2019 #27
leftofcool Apr 2019 #28
susanna Apr 2019 #29
truthisfreedom Apr 2019 #30
Aussie105 Apr 2019 #31
paleotn Apr 2019 #32
ck4829 May 2019 #34

Response to groundloop (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 08:29 AM

1. Should read: anti-vaccination mother defends "Ignorant Bullshit"

yup

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 08:32 AM

2. So not getting vaccines

is a preexisting condition for sure. And that one CAN be controlled, unlike the others that concern folks so much. So what if insurance companies refuse to pay for measles treatment?

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Response to greymattermom (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 08:33 AM

3. Insurance costs a lot more if you smoke.

The same should apply to folks who don't get vaccines, unless there is a medical reason for it.

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 08:33 AM

4. YOUR "medical freedom" should not be allowed to kill YOUR child and/or MY child.

It's not about YOU. It's about THEM.

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 08:36 AM

5. Need to do like they used to do.

Put a big sticker on the front door saying "quarantined - do not enter" and keep the people (including the working parents) inside until it was over.

We forget what it was like before modern medicine, but if the folks do not want to play by the rules, let them go back to the old way.

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Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 12:14 PM

16. A lack of history

You are so right. The reason we have forgotten the scourge and sorrow of childhood epidemics in America is that modern medicine wiped so many out. Years ago I worked for an elderly G.P. who said the greatest advances in medicine had been vaccinations and antibiotics. He remembered a season in hell when diphtheria ran rampant in a small Northern California town and babies, asphyxiated to death, just passed in his arms.
My mother lost her father when she was five years old to pneumonia. That changed her life forever.
My father lost his sister to the same illness. She was a healthy little girl not yet 12, taken by sepsis in a matter of days. His father dropped dead three years later from heartbreak, literally, it was said.
My father’s aunt, a mother of three, died in the flu epidemic, as did his other aunt’s only daughter and husband. For such a bug today we could do a better job of treating, but perhaps never prevent.
And of course, there was polio, which I and all my friends were vaccinated against, but the news was full of stories of the pre-vaccinated kids living in iron lungs.
An unreasonable and not science-based fear of particular medical interventions which goes so far as to endanger one’s own children and thousands of others is something I find I lack empathy for. Yes, big pharma, corporate medicine have delivered enormous and continuing death and suffering.
Netflix’s The Bleeding Edge is a must-see.
But the measles vaccination, though not 100 percent safe, has a proven track-record with such credible debunking on the myths some parents still cling to that only a kind of doubling down, superstitious, and nearly anti-social and ideological agenda can explain to me how intelligent and educated parents would put the public at such great risk to protect their own sense of medical choice.
Except for medically exempt children, public schools must stick to the old mandate. Parental choice then rests in private or home-schooling.

























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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 08:38 AM

6. She is not a corporation

She can't let kids die just because she wants to do whatever the hell she wants.

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 08:39 AM

7. Paroled sex offenders are required to live a certain distance from schools

Maybe the same sort of restriction should apply. If your religious freedoms put other kids at risk, you need to relocate a safe distance away from where large groups of children congregate. You don’t want to move? Get your vaccinations.

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Response to shawn703 (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 08:50 AM

8. The same could be said for people passing through at-risk areas.

If you travel from a country that has a known measles problem, whether because you're returning to the US or coming here as visitor or migrant, you might return with an unexpected surprise.

Remember, measles was eradicated in the US. All known cases come from places with known measles problems. That can be immigrants from or travelers to/from the Philippines, Israel, Honduras, or some other places.

Their travel puts others in danger, at risk. Their freedom of movements puts kids and the immuno-compromised at risk. Rather than relocate for any significant length of time, build quarantine time into travel.

We're into limiting rights, it's just a question of whose rights we're going to limit, to what extent, and for how long.

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 09:02 AM

9. Shit. I'm in yet another 18-round throw-down in GD with the anti-vaxxers.

I wish they'd read this, although I'm not optimistic that it would do any good.

Getting through to anti-vaxxers is like trying to eradicate crabgrass...

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Response to Aristus (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 09:52 AM

12. They didn't arrive at this through logic...

and logic will not be able to deliver them some truth. The harsh reality of life in the United States with measles outbreaks popping up everywhere...you know, like NOW...has a better chance of shaking some people out of their complacency. But the only real answer is to drop the superstitious (mostly religious) bullshit and embrace science. But we're going in the wrong direction. Flat earthers are being taken seriously, and the people who believe them have no capacity to be swayed by logic. Climate change is the same. And now vaccinations. And we're collectively to blame, for putting these science-denying nitwits in power. I'm trying not to be such a pessimist, but a big part of me wonders if it's simply too late for us. Reminds me of an old joke from Murphy Brown. I think it was Newt Gingrich, who was so homophobic he wanted to change the name of our species to Hetero sapiens. Sounds about right.

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Response to camelfan (Reply #12)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 10:56 AM

14. Yep...logical doesn't help...

I'm thinking that they won't change until one of their children dies from the measles...even then some of the religious NUTS will justify it as god's will.

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 09:18 AM

10. These parents are no different then parents that let their kids play in the street.

Sure most cars will slow down and avoid the kids, but the danger is always there that they can be hit by a car.

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 09:23 AM

11. The government has a duty to protect people from unsafe practices.

Not vaccinating your children is an unsafe health practice based on false reports of a connection between vaccines and autism, which has been totally debunked. Meanwhile, there is a connection between autism and the quality of the food a pregnant woman eats, such as highly processed, chemical-laden food. Where are all the objections to eating food like that?

Just as the government passed laws requiring seatbelts to protect public safety, so too should we have laws about vaccination. The only exceptions should be actual medical reasons, such as a young child with a compromised immune system, not these flimsy excuses of religious or personal objection solely to tell the government that they can’t be told what to do.

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 10:10 AM

13. Can we please quarantine the willfully unvaccinated?

They are a public health risk and should be treated as such.

Together, they can experience all of the disease freedom that their pox-riddled hearts desire.

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:29 AM

15. Se doesn't mean "medical freedom." She means "the right to take steps that will increase the

probability that a disease will spread and kill other people."

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 12:32 PM

17. I have no issue with people refusing vaccines

 

But, since they are part of a society, we need to protect ourselves from them. So, they will be quarantined in their own house, and can NEVER leave or interact with anyone outside (aka delivery people). An armed CDC agent will stand outside their house with an AR-15, and if they attempt to leave, will give them a 20 second warning before opening fire.

Enjoy your "medical" freedom!

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 03:03 PM

18. Pro-plaguers should quarantine themselves far from rational people. nt

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Response to Lucky Luciano (Reply #18)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 05:04 PM

19. Pro-Plague... I like the name :) nt

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 07:10 PM

20. If there were an Ebola outbreak? Would they then change their minds?

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 08:43 PM

21. You can't fix stupid (Ron White)

But with enough duct tape, you can at least muffle the sound (Me).

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 09:00 PM

22. All of a sudden they're pro choice.

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Response to AwakeAtLast (Reply #22)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 10:20 PM

23. Unfortunately this kind of stupid is not limited to the right.

Lots of Pro-Plague believers are on the left as well.

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 06:56 PM

24. Aren't the unvaccinated the only ones who get measles?

It seems that all vaccinated people won't get it so the no vac people will just be hurting themselves.

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Response to Kablooie (Reply #24)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 08:02 PM

25. There are people...

especially those with immune deficiencies that can't have the vaccine, because, you know it might kill them. These people have done nothing wrong, they would be innocent victims of measles outbreaks caused by unvaccinated people.

They are the canaries in the coalmine.

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 08:04 PM

26. We need to start charging anti-vaxxers with assault or attempted murder. It's about harming others.

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 08:11 PM

27. "I want driving freedom!! I want to drive in the lane of my choice...

... at whatever speed *I* choose! It's all about me!! Me, me meeeee!"

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Response to Beartracks (Reply #27)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 01:00 AM

28. Me too by damn and I don't want to have to carry car insurance!

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 01:47 AM

29. I had the Measles vax (normal schedule) as a child.

But now I find out mine might not have been sufficient, based on the composition of the vaccine.

I cannot be boostered now because of a serious health condition. I hate even leaving my house because I AM UNPROTECTED in a nation that used to have this stuff handled.

I am terrified. If I get sick with measles, now, it could end my life.

I might get lucky - my old-timey vax might still hold, but that's a lot of wishes and my very life in the balance.

This shit is unreal.

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 03:28 AM

30. Medical freedom to keep your kids and your ass at home.

Permanently.

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 07:58 AM

31. Flu season!

Flu season coming up in Australia.

That's not as bad as measles, but why risk being unprotected?

Getting the vaccine the day the new batch arrives at the doctors, no worries there.
(It's free.)

Anti vaxxers - so silly!

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 11:48 AM

32. Idiot!!!

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Sat May 4, 2019, 01:13 AM

34. Kick

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