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Skinner

(63,645 posts)
Mon May 6, 2019, 01:33 PM May 2019

Trump would have been charged with obstruction were he not president, hundreds of former federal...

Source: Washington Post

...prosecutors assert.

More than 370 former federal prosecutors who worked in Republican and Democratic administrations have signed on to a statement asserting special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s findings would have produced obstruction charges against President Trump — if not for the office he held.

The statement — signed by myriad former career government employees as well as high-profile political appointees — offers a rebuttal to Attorney General William P. Barr’s determination that the evidence Mueller uncovered was “not sufficient” to establish that Trump committed a crime.

Mueller had declined to say one way or the other whether Trump should have been charged, citing a Justice Department legal opinion that sitting presidents cannot be indicted, as well as concerns about the fairness of accusing someone for whom there can be no court proceeding.


“Each of us believes that the conduct of President Trump described in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report would, in the case of any other person not covered by the Office of Legal Counsel policy against indicting a sitting President, result in multiple felony charges for obstruction of justice,” the former federal prosecutors wrote.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-would-have-been-charged-with-obstruction-were-he-not-president-hundreds-of-former-federal-prosecutors-assert/2019/05/06/e4946a1a-7006-11e9-9f06-5fc2ee80027a_story.html?utm_term=.4c8111d5038

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Trump would have been charged with obstruction were he not president, hundreds of former federal... (Original Post) Skinner May 2019 OP
He also would have been charged with campaign violations ScratchCat May 2019 #1
yes. Just the act of paying off Stormy Daniels a month before the last election LiberalLovinLug May 2019 #4
Cohen is serving time for acts directed by Individual 1 bigbrother05 May 2019 #19
Yes. Trump is an unindicted gldstwmn May 2019 #27
So I wonder if the maggot supporters will hear this? kimbutgar May 2019 #2
They will consider this letter ut oh May 2019 #9
yes, the new one is the "coup" NewJeffCT May 2019 #10
This is why he cannot leave office CanonRay May 2019 #3
If the Dems get the White House, Donny will fade. JustABozoOnThisBus May 2019 #20
Once a new Dem President is sworn in, it's not up to him to decide. Lock him up. May 2019 #33
"if not for the office he held"...So much wrong with this statement Perseus May 2019 #5
Well, so much for Scarsdale May 2019 #7
Trump has golfed more in 2 years NewJeffCT May 2019 #11
Which is why KaDee May 2019 #12
Especially when the crimes Scarsdale May 2019 #16
And we don't impeach Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #26
agree 100% larwdem May 2019 #31
Now be honest:) it's gotta be more than that. I say it 10 times a day. Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #36
Conversely... jmowreader May 2019 #6
Not small potatoes Trumpy Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2019 #8
k and r ,,no text. Stuart G May 2019 #13
Then charge his staff! IronLionZion May 2019 #14
I so wanted the kids indicted wryter2000 May 2019 #23
K&R ... and there's a reason why someone KPN May 2019 #15
K&R 2naSalit May 2019 #17
Now at 414 per Think Progress: demmiblue May 2019 #18
459 dweller May 2019 #32
Now near 700: demmiblue May 2019 #39
I don't understand this Bayard May 2019 #21
You're right. It's not a law. But we have a history rich in rewarding/ignoring crminal presidents. PSPS May 2019 #22
Let's see the statement by 100's of Federal Prosecutors who oppose it. Pepsidog May 2019 #24
Evidently nothing happens like it should unless Pelosi says ok Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #25
Yeah, I wish you could pour all us Dems a... JoeOtterbein May 2019 #29
I can't see a downside of reminding everyone in a succinct list of impeachment articles, Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #37
The obstruction served to keep Putin in the clear. Kid Berwyn May 2019 #28
Yep, and need to be investigated and/or cleared or Charged ASAP! n/t JoeOtterbein May 2019 #30
Last I saw was over 500.. MySideOfTown May 2019 #34
Shines a bright light on Attorney Cockroach Barr .. nt Jarqui May 2019 #35
Thank you Skinner saidsimplesimon May 2019 #38

ScratchCat

(1,990 posts)
1. He also would have been charged with campaign violations
Mon May 6, 2019, 01:35 PM
May 2019

and fraud, but the MSM and Democrats have let that slip down the memory hole.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
4. yes. Just the act of paying off Stormy Daniels a month before the last election
Mon May 6, 2019, 02:08 PM
May 2019

Would have sunk any other politician. (Especially a Democrat). A double whammy. campaign violation, but also the moral character implications.

kimbutgar

(21,144 posts)
2. So I wonder if the maggot supporters will hear this?
Mon May 6, 2019, 01:42 PM
May 2019

Or will fox say these prosecutors are probably Democrats?

ut oh

(895 posts)
9. They will consider this letter
Mon May 6, 2019, 02:36 PM
May 2019

part of the 'Deep State' that is trying to undermine their new Messiah.

CanonRay

(14,101 posts)
3. This is why he cannot leave office
Mon May 6, 2019, 01:43 PM
May 2019

ever. This is why you're getting hints about two extra years. He knows if the Dems get the White House he's fucked.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,340 posts)
20. If the Dems get the White House, Donny will fade.
Mon May 6, 2019, 03:29 PM
May 2019

Nobody is going to try to send a former president to prison. It would probably backfire in the next mid-terms.

Better to just undo all his executive orders, then focus on Democratic goals.

If the New York Attorney General goes after him and his spawn, fine.

Lock him up.

(6,928 posts)
33. Once a new Dem President is sworn in, it's not up to him to decide.
Tue May 7, 2019, 02:29 AM
May 2019

He'll have to pack up and leave. He can not (hopefully, he won't) show up at the ceremony all he wants.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
5. "if not for the office he held"...So much wrong with this statement
Mon May 6, 2019, 02:09 PM
May 2019

This is the reason why the buffoon thinks of himself as King, so much said about that he cannot be touched "because of the office he holds"...that has to be the biggest stupidity the laws can contemplate, it opens the door for someone to become president to then go into a rampage of corruption like we are witnessing every day with this administration.

I cannot believe so many lawyers can come up to that conclusion which defies all laws of logic.

Its like saying "I know the president is corrupt, that he is taking the country to an abyss, that he is giving away USA secrets to Russia, that is profiting from his position, but it is OK because he is the president, we cannot hold him responsible for anything he does."

INSANE!

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
7. Well, so much for
Mon May 6, 2019, 02:23 PM
May 2019

"Nobody is above the law" This fat, repulsive blob seems to be. The gop protects him to protect themselves. I spoke to a tRump supporter the other day and said "He spends millions of taxpayer dollars on his golf outings" She said "What about Obama's trips to Hawaii to golf?" I said "He did not go there every weekend." They just refuse to see the light on this turd.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
11. Trump has golfed more in 2 years
Mon May 6, 2019, 02:41 PM
May 2019

than Obama did in 8. And, I'm sure he didn't go to Hawaii to golf every time

KaDee

(7 posts)
12. Which is why
Mon May 6, 2019, 02:51 PM
May 2019

This assortation needs to be tested in SCOTUS. NO ONE is above the law & being President should NOT be a reason for not being charged/indicted.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
16. Especially when the crimes
Mon May 6, 2019, 03:04 PM
May 2019

keep piling up. Every day a new misdeed exposed. Kushner and Iwanka still have their security clearances, even though they were denied by the competent people who investigate them for these clearances. tRump is bad mouthing China, but Iwanka has how many patents awarded to her from China? That is something else that should be investigated. The tRumps are raking in the money, while draining the US Treasury for their travels, protection etc.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
6. Conversely...
Mon May 6, 2019, 02:18 PM
May 2019

...the only reason he was able to be in a place to commit all those crimes in the first place is the office he holds.

IronLionZion

(45,441 posts)
14. Then charge his staff!
Mon May 6, 2019, 02:56 PM
May 2019

Arrest everyone who works for him. Teflon Don shouldn't get away with this. That just encourages more of this behavior and sets a dangerous precedent.

wryter2000

(46,045 posts)
23. I so wanted the kids indicted
Mon May 6, 2019, 05:41 PM
May 2019

DOJ guidelines don't say anything about a President's cabinet or staff. Don, Jr. and Jared should have been indicted.

KPN

(15,645 posts)
15. K&R ... and there's a reason why someone
Mon May 6, 2019, 02:58 PM
May 2019

would obstruct. And it’s not to save taxpayers’ dollars or to avoid wasting law enforcement resources.

demmiblue

(36,851 posts)
39. Now near 700:
Tue May 7, 2019, 03:59 PM
May 2019
Hundreds of additional former federal prosecutors have signed onto a statement asserting that President Trump would have been indicted for obstruction of justice were he not currently serving as president.

The open letter organized by the nonprofit group Protect Democracy had roughly 400 signatures when it was initially posted Monday afternoon on Medium. The letter neared 700 signatures as of Tuesday afternoon.

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/442537-list-of-former-federal-prosecutors-accusing-trump-of-obstruction

Bayard

(22,069 posts)
21. I don't understand this
Mon May 6, 2019, 03:41 PM
May 2019

Not indicting a sitting president is a guideline, not the law. I also thought it was a relatively recent proclamation.

PSPS

(13,595 posts)
22. You're right. It's not a law. But we have a history rich in rewarding/ignoring crminal presidents.
Mon May 6, 2019, 04:58 PM
May 2019

Although trump is, by far, the most criminal of any we've ever had foisted upon us.

JoeOtterbein

(7,700 posts)
29. Yeah, I wish you could pour all us Dems a...
Tue May 7, 2019, 12:41 AM
May 2019

....Real Strong drink about now Laura! Like one that spells out IMPEACHMENT!

Before the Trump/GOP decide to forever close the open bar of Democracy in the USA!

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
37. I can't see a downside of reminding everyone in a succinct list of impeachment articles,
Tue May 7, 2019, 07:49 AM
May 2019

in a hearing everyone would watch, whether we convict him or not. At this point, it’s the only thing that could have an effect. Otherwise we will just hear him say over and over he was done an injustice as his approvals keep rising. If we don’t...we are re-electing him.

Kid Berwyn

(14,904 posts)
28. The obstruction served to keep Putin in the clear.
Mon May 6, 2019, 11:52 PM
May 2019

These prosecutors know right from wrong and are willing to put it on paper.

Now where are the Republicans in the Senate? Implicated and just as guilty as Trump.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
38. Thank you Skinner
Tue May 7, 2019, 11:34 AM
May 2019

“Each of us believes that the conduct of President Trump described in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report would, in the case of any other person not covered by the Office of Legal Counsel policy against indicting a sitting President, result in multiple felony charges for obstruction of justice,” the former federal prosecutors wrote.

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