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Wed May 15, 2019, 03:57 PM

Georgetown moves to expel two students in aftermath of admission scandal

Source: Washington Post

Higher Education
Georgetown moves to expel two students in aftermath of admission scandal

By Nick Anderson, Reporter covering higher education, national education policy and the global education market
May 15 at 1:50 PM

Georgetown University said Wednesday it intends to expel two students after reviewing their applications in the wake of the admissions bribery scandal.

The Jesuit university in Washington did not identify the students who face imminent dismissal. The university’s actions come two months after federal investigators announced criminal charges against 50 people across the country who were accused of participating in a conspiracy to undermine the admissions process at prominent universities. One of those facing charges is a former Georgetown tennis coach.

Thirty-three parents were charged in the case, along with 17 others who authorities say orchestrated or facilitated a two-part scam. One part involved cheating on admission tests; the other, fabricating high school athletic credentials to present applicants as recruited athletes even though they lacked the ability to compete at the intercollegiate level.
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No students have been charged in the case. But Georgetown and other affected universities have been scouring their records to determine whether to revoke admissions of any students or take action against any graduates connected to Singer.
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Nick Anderson covers higher education and other education topics for The Washington Post. He has been a writer and editor at The Post since 2005. Follow https://twitter.com/wpnick

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Reply Georgetown moves to expel two students in aftermath of admission scandal (Original post)
mahatmakanejeeves May 2019 OP
Sherman A1 May 2019 #1
cstanleytech May 2019 #2
Raine1967 May 2019 #3
CDerekGo May 2019 #4
Raine1967 May 2019 #9
getagrip_already May 2019 #6
More_Cowbell May 2019 #7
csziggy May 2019 #11
More_Cowbell May 2019 #14
getagrip_already May 2019 #16
More_Cowbell May 2019 #17
Mr.Bill May 2019 #5
csziggy May 2019 #12
Blue_Tires May 2019 #8
Raine1967 May 2019 #10
More_Cowbell May 2019 #15
jmowreader May 2019 #13

Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 03:59 PM

1. Good

and I hope whatever credit hours they have "earned" are voided.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 04:05 PM

2. I am not sure if going after the students is fair to be honest unless of course they knew

what their parents were doing.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 04:20 PM

3. I'm not sure if this is the right way to go.

If the kids were unaware and are holding their own at the school, I am not sure if they should be punished for the sins of their parents.


And I want the emphasize holding their own wrt to grades, etc. Have the parents feel the consequences of the actions and open up room for more kids to have access to the school.

Again, I am not sure if this is the way to go.

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Response to Raine1967 (Reply #3)

Wed May 15, 2019, 04:26 PM

4. But

If these kids don't belong in that school in the first place, and took the place of another kid, who had better grades, who had better SAT's and who was better at everything else academically, those kids DO NOT BELONG, I don't care how they're doing once at Georgetown. They have the spot of someone who should be there. Sorry, not sorry.

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Response to CDerekGo (Reply #4)

Wed May 15, 2019, 05:50 PM

9. And that is why I said open up room for kids who lost the spot that

they otherwise would have gotten.

And again, I said I am not sure. if the kids knew, they should be gone. If they didn;t are holding their own, why punich them for the crimes of the parents.

Indict the parents.

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Response to Raine1967 (Reply #3)

Wed May 15, 2019, 04:32 PM

6. well, lets look at it...

Some students were coached to present symptoms that allowed them to be granted individual testing with an unlimited time limit. You can't say they didn't know.

Some students received athletic scholarships in sports they never participated in. Sorry, doesn't pass the smell test either.

Some had someone else take their test, or stayed in the room as the proctor changed answers. But thank you for playing anyway.

In short, there is a very narrow list of conditions where a kid didn't know what the parents were doing.

But in any case, if you let the children continue, the parents still get away with it. It's like letting a thief keep the money.

So let the kids reapply to other schools, after taking new proctored tests. No transfer of credits. No degrees.

Because if you don't, parents will keep trying to do this.

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #6)

Wed May 15, 2019, 05:11 PM

7. Do you have a link to a story regarding students receiving athletic scholarships?

I hadn't even heard of that part! Thanks.

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Response to More_Cowbell (Reply #7)

Wed May 15, 2019, 05:55 PM

11. Lori Loughlin's daughter was one involved with fake athletic achievements

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Olivia Jade's fake profile

In one example, the criminal complaint states that on July 14, 2017, Singer emailed Janke directing her to prepare a crew profile for the younger daughter of actress Lori Loughlin and fashion designer Mossimo Giannulli. "Ok sounds good," Janke responded, the complaint states. "Please send me the pertinent information and I will get started."

Two days later, Singer emailed Giannulli to request an "action picture," the complaint states. On July 28, Giannulli sent an email, copying Loughlin, with a photo of their younger daughter on an ergometer, the rowing machine.

The younger daughter, the social media influencer Olivia Jade, was then accepted to USC as a crew recruit even though she did not actually row competitively, the complaint states. Giannulli directed his business manager to send a $50,000 payment to USC's senior associate athletic director Donna Heinel and later wired $200,000 to Singer's fake charity, the complaint states.

Giannulli and Loughlin have both pleaded not guilty to charges of conspiracy to commit fraud and conspiracy to commit money laundering. Heinel has pleaded not guilty to conspiracy to commit racketeering.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/us/usc-coach-college-admissions-guilty/index.html

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Response to csziggy (Reply #11)

Thu May 16, 2019, 02:42 AM

14. She didn't get an athletic scholarship, though. It was an admissions bump.

I'm interested to see if schools really gave athletic scholarships to students who weren't on teams.

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Response to More_Cowbell (Reply #14)

Thu May 16, 2019, 05:17 PM

16. the scam was more invlved than that...

The coach enrolled the student on the team, but at some point moved them to injured / inactive status. It was more than an admission bump, the students were actually listed as members of the team. They would have been included in university mailings and welcome events.

Even if they didn't get a scholarship, they had to know they were on a team. They probably even got welcome letters from upper class team mates. They were on team rosters.

Sorry, they would have known.

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #16)

Fri May 17, 2019, 01:20 AM

17. I agree that they knew. I was addressing a poster's claim that they got athletic scholarships. nt

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 04:30 PM

5. I played tennis in high school.

I can assure you I knew damn well that I would have no business playing tennis on the team of a major university.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #5)

Wed May 15, 2019, 05:55 PM

12. At least you actually played the sport

Lori Loughlin's daughter was never on a rowing team but her mother paid to have a record of her rowing abilities faked.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 05:24 PM

8. Once again, there is no talk about firing the staff involved...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #8)

Wed May 15, 2019, 05:52 PM

10. Exactly. this is the bigger problem to me.

it's a very complicated issue. in respect to the kids who may not have known how they were accepted to the school.

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #8)

Thu May 16, 2019, 02:46 AM

15. Several coaches have been fired

USC fired its water polo coach and its senior associate athletic administrator
https://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/la-sp-college-admission-scam-coaches-usc-20190312-story.html

Stanford fired its sailing coach
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/03/12/stanford-sailing-coach-fired-in-wake-of-college-admissions-scandal/

Texas fired its men's tennis coach
https://www.businessinsider.com/coaches-fired-college-admissions-scam-2019-3#michael-center-texas-6

Those are just the stories I found in a few minutes of searching.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Thu May 16, 2019, 01:56 AM

13. That's a start, but it's not enough

Colleges keep records of who applies to them. After Georgetown boots the two cheaters, they need to find the two kids who would have gotten in if the cheaters hadn't, extend offers of enrollment, and have the cheaters' parents pay tuition and fees for the years the cheaters went to Georgetown.

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