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trailmonkee

(2,681 posts)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 11:01 PM Sep 2012

Sources in Romney Camp Blame Adviser for Mediocre Campaign

Source: new york times

According to a report by Politico, Mitt Romney isn't the only person responsible for his campaign's recent stumbling. In off the record interviews, members of the Romney camp paint a picture of a campaign that's surprisingly disorganized for an organization run by a former Bain man, and at the center is Stuart Stevens, who's been serving as Romney's chief strategist, ad maker, and speechwriter. Sources say that while Hurricane Isaac didn't help, Stevens deserves much of the blame for the Republicans' lackluster convention. In addition to deciding Clint Eastwood's remarks didn't need to be vetted by the campaign, Stevens scrapped two completed versions of Romney's acceptance speech in the week before he was set to take the stage, forcing Stevens and Romney to cobble together the final version with little time to rehearse.

We only get a tiny glimpse at original speech, which was penned by veteran Republican speechwriter Peter Wehner. It included the line, “The incumbent president is trying to lower the expectations of our nation to the sorry level of his own achievement. He only wins if you settle.” Eight days before the convention, Stevens decided to start over and asked the speechwriters who were finishing up Paul Ryan's remarks to write an entirely new draft. Stevens was also unsatisfied with their work, and he and Romney wrote a new speech themselves. In those frantic final days a reference to Afghanistan that appeared in earlier drafts was dropped, along with plans to stream Romney's remarks before an American Legion convention in Indiana to the RNC in Tampa.

It's telling that sources in the Romney camp are frustrated enough with recent events on the campaign trail to vent to Politico about Stevens, who's described as an impulsive “tortured artist" type who's unpopular with conservatives. Yet, a Romney official says that despite the grumbling, it's unlikely that Stevens will be booted from the campaign:

“Mitt is a sticker — he stays with you. He had a reputation at Bain for sticking with people. They made a bad investment, he hung with them. … None of this is going to be fixed. This is the organization, and this is who Mitt is betting on to win. There aren’t going to be further changes.”

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Sources in Romney Camp Blame Adviser for Mediocre Campaign (Original Post) trailmonkee Sep 2012 OP
So, he doesn't really like to fire people. Ilsa Sep 2012 #1
Unless you are gay /eom dballance Sep 2012 #21
He doubles down on his mistakes instead of learning from them. aquart Sep 2012 #2
Which is one of the top reasons why he should never be president. caveat_imperator Sep 2012 #29
Pretty unpatriotic to go against the president when we have troops in the field bluestateguy Sep 2012 #3
"There aren’t going to be further changes." I love your stick-to-it-iveness, Mitt. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #4
It is way too late to fix basic problems BlueStreak Sep 2012 #8
I haven't been convinced yet that the PTB even care about the WH this election cycle. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #13
If they were concerned about Congress they wouldn't have picked Romney jmowreader Sep 2012 #26
They don't control everything. Romney was the best of the bunch BlueStreak Sep 2012 #44
Well said, BlueStreak. And, since Romney doesn't want Cha Sep 2012 #19
It would look worse to change leftynyc Sep 2012 #34
the guy's task is to breathe life into an empty suit Skittles Sep 2012 #5
Nice try, Mitt, but we know from your own behavior... Frank Cannon Sep 2012 #6
My God! The campaign is not even over yet, and they are turning on each other. hrmjustin Sep 2012 #7
Can't wait for the tell-alls. NYC Liberal Sep 2012 #9
Don't I remember this from 2008? sofa king Sep 2012 #27
This "bickering" in his campaign staff is a testament to how much of an empty suit Romney is n/t AZ Progressive Sep 2012 #10
Lol, so soon? EarlG Sep 2012 #11
I predict a firing and a come-to-Jesus plea. nolabear Sep 2012 #12
Shoot First...Aim Later! SoapBox Sep 2012 #14
Best line out of this campaign yet madokie Sep 2012 #31
lolol. Show's over. Solly Mack Sep 2012 #15
The Blame Goes To All Of Them sameday Sep 2012 #16
No One Made Romney Dismiss Troops as Not Important... TomCADem Sep 2012 #17
And, while they were "cobbling" that speech Cha Sep 2012 #18
The only reason to hire the inferiors is that you then have someone to blame. 6000eliot Sep 2012 #20
Exactly. Where does the buck stop? At someone else other than Romney it seems. nt Mojorabbit Sep 2012 #23
So What Would Happen In A Romney Administration DallasNE Sep 2012 #22
This is how the collapse starts (e.g. "It's Goering's fault.") King_Klonopin Sep 2012 #24
well if that was the beginning of his first speech Iliyah Sep 2012 #25
Yes, this is fun BUT DonCoquixote Sep 2012 #28
It's Not The Advisor DallasNE Sep 2012 #30
They have begun openly criticizing the quality of Romney's campaigning. That's great news. tclambert Sep 2012 #32
Yep Ian62 Sep 2012 #35
GOP are just trying to find excuses Ian62 Sep 2012 #33
Less than two months to the election oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #36
Too much dirt mojo2012 Sep 2012 #37
There is certainly a lot of truth in that Ian62 Sep 2012 #38
Because they will never admit that Mitt is a mediocre candidate. tanyev Sep 2012 #39
So Romney's the great CEO, the guy who likes to fire people, the organizational genius. bklyncowgirl Sep 2012 #40
Oh good, a scapegoat has been selected. nt bemildred Sep 2012 #41
Is that "sticking with people" or Javaman Sep 2012 #42
Did that guy advise Mitt to keep hiding his tax returns? Overseas Sep 2012 #43
Or To Be Giddy DallasNE Sep 2012 #46
You see this pick? snooper2 Sep 2012 #45
Such BS. A campaign that size isn't run by one person. Yes, someone is in charge... progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #47
"Mediocre" -- that's pretty generous. Arugula Latte Sep 2012 #48
Remember: Fish rot from the head down. The FAIL begins & ends with Romney catbyte Sep 2012 #49
Romney: "No! You blithering imbeciles!" ThoughtCriminal Sep 2012 #50
I think, after last night, they should be blaming Mittwitt for a failed campaign. sinkingfeeling Sep 2012 #51

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
1. So, he doesn't really like to fire people.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 11:06 PM
Sep 2012

If he wins, he'll keep whatever incompetent hangers-on that managed to survive campaigning with him. That will not be good for our country.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
8. It is way too late to fix basic problems
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 11:31 PM
Sep 2012

The long knives are coming out early. Usually this doesn't start showing up until the last could of weeks before Election Day, and then explodes after the election.

Romney abandoned the economy as a central issue in mid-July. I guess his polls showed him it wasn't working as an issue. But the reason it wasn't working was because Romney was spending so much time being evasive, flip-flopping and just plain lying.

News flash, if you do that every day of the campaign, NO issue will work for you. Changing issues at this late stage is foolish, and shows the hubris and arrogance that has dominated this campaign. They simply cannot accept the point that Americans have given Romney a hearing and they have rejected HIM. They didn't reject Romney because he was talking about the economy. They rejected him because this is not the quality of person we want performing the most important job in the world.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,233 posts)
13. I haven't been convinced yet that the PTB even care about the WH this election cycle.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 11:45 PM
Sep 2012

I think they are far more concerned about Congress, and want to make an earnest push for the WH in 2016. They can't do that if Rmoney wins. I could be wrong, but no campaign can this bad, except on purpose. Lucky for us, I think he's being sabotaged.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
26. If they were concerned about Congress they wouldn't have picked Romney
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 01:53 AM
Sep 2012

Romney will probably have negative coattails--not only will he lose, but he'll take a LOT of people down with him.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
44. They don't control everything. Romney was the best of the bunch
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 09:41 AM
Sep 2012

as far as the PTB are concerned. The rest were just plain crazy. They could have lived with a Romney Presidency, but Obama does just about as well for them. They would rather have a Christie, Jebbie, or Mitch Daniels, but those guys calculated this wasn't the year to run.

Not to get ahead of ourselves, but looking toward 2016 there really is no heir apparent to Obama. Biden and Hillary are probably too old. I don't think America will go back to their generation. I can't recall a time when there weren't at least some likely successors waiting in the wings. There is time for a successor to emerge, but in this era of unlimited money, you really have to get started earlier than in the past.

Cha

(297,196 posts)
19. Well said, BlueStreak. And, since Romney doesn't want
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 12:25 AM
Sep 2012

to cough up his Tax Returns..he's showing he doesn't want the job.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
34. It would look worse to change
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 07:26 AM
Sep 2012

Then that becomes the story, the disarray and backbiting. It's a gamble but I'm sure Romney is thinking "now I have someone to blame".

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
6. Nice try, Mitt, but we know from your own behavior...
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 11:21 PM
Sep 2012

that you're a petulant control freak who can't accept any criticism or questioning whatsoever without behaving like a spoiled five-year-old.

Own it, buddy. Your campaign sucks because you suck.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
7. My God! The campaign is not even over yet, and they are turning on each other.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 11:30 PM
Sep 2012

It is still a close race. Why are these people acting like it is over already.

NYC Liberal

(20,135 posts)
9. Can't wait for the tell-alls.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 11:33 PM
Sep 2012

Although they probably won't be as good (or funny) as the ones about Palin after 2008.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
27. Don't I remember this from 2008?
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 02:02 AM
Sep 2012

Somewhere around September or October I remember the pre-post-mortems starting to be filed by the wonks, while insiders all tried to finger each other for picking Sarah Palin.

Here's an example that DUers chortled over for a few days back then, on September 23, 2008:

http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-plank/mccain-stumbles

There was a change in which candidate Virginia voters thought was “more honest and trustworthy” --from 44 to 38 percent McCain in the poll released Sept. 7 to 43 to 41 percent Obama in the poll released Sept. 21. That could be a result of another McCain strategy backfiring: the rash of ridiculous negative ads, highlighted by the ads claiming that Obama had defamed Palin by taking his statement about “lipstick on a pig” entirely out of context and the ad claiming that he was a supporter of sex education for kindergartners.

As the campaign proceeds, it is hard to see how McCain can undo these two mistakes. He can’t get rid of Palin. And his campaign staff, drawn from the same people who defamed him in the 2000 South Carolina primary, will be tempted to run even more scurrilous ads in order to slow Obama’s momentum.


But that time the Republicans at least had a convention bounce. Romney couldn't even muster that.

nolabear

(41,960 posts)
12. I predict a firing and a come-to-Jesus plea.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 11:43 PM
Sep 2012

Blame him, dump him, convince everyone you'll never, ever be bad again.

We'll see.

sameday

(4 posts)
16. The Blame Goes To All Of Them
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 12:07 AM
Sep 2012

If Romney was really smart he would have never selected Paul Ryan to be his running mate. Ryan's Medicare debate killed the ticket.

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
17. No One Made Romney Dismiss Troops as Not Important...
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 12:10 AM
Sep 2012

...When he was asked why mention of the troops was omitted from the speech. The bottom line is that they are looking for someone to take the fall for Romney's own values and positions.

Cha

(297,196 posts)
18. And, while they were "cobbling" that speech
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 12:20 AM
Sep 2012

together..they forgot to Thank The Troops. Now why was that?

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
22. So What Would Happen In A Romney Administration
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 01:05 AM
Sep 2012

If they faced a situation more serious than running a convention -- such as running a nation -- and it wasn't a little rainstorm but a global flare-up between nuclear nations and you don't get to write 3 different scripts while you figure things out. You know, the 3AM phone call thing. When things broke out in Egypt and Libya recently it took Romney 3 days to condemn the YouTube trailer that is widely regarded as the triggering event, apparently because everybody was so intent on blaming Obama. Kind of like the gross gaffe of not mentioning Afghanistan or the sacrifice the troops are making there. That is pathetic and it is not Commander In Chief territory.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
25. well if that was the beginning of his first speech
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 01:44 AM
Sep 2012

that one have sucked as well. Mittens campaign sucked before he haphazardly got the nomination, it was the corporate media keeping it close, and still is trying to keep it close. For one thing Mittens doesn't tell much truths and his VP pick seems to be worst. America doesn't know what to believe when Mitt speaks, well I don't and he has that evil smirk.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
28. Yes, this is fun BUT
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 02:14 AM
Sep 2012

Let's go ahead and say that the entire Mitt Romney campaign was purposefully built to be an incredible FIASCO!!

OK, I mean,let's let the imagination roll. Put on the tinfoil hats! For the sake of argument, let us say

THE ENTIRE PLAN WAS TO WASTE A BILLION DOLLARS ON A COMPLETELY WORTHLESS CAMPAIGN! THE INCOMPOTENCE IS A MASTER PLAN!

OK, so what was the point of that?

Simple, because all that would take away attention from the fact that this election can be STOLEN.

Also, what would be the biggest show of 1% power, than to show that they could put in a man no one wanted, it is the ultimate statement of rule by money!

tclambert

(11,085 posts)
32. They have begun openly criticizing the quality of Romney's campaigning. That's great news.
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 07:14 AM
Sep 2012

They're starting to play the blame game for their election failure already. It creates a positive feedback loop with voters, too, who ask themselves, "How can we trust him to run the country if he can't run a campaign properly?" That leads to worse polling results, which leads to more criticism of his campaigning ability, which leads to more voter distrust.

In other words, the wheels are coming off, Willard!

 

Ian62

(604 posts)
35. Yep
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 07:28 AM
Sep 2012

Then as you say the cycle goes round again and escalates.

I am expecting some GOP candidates for Senate and House (national and state) to start distancing themselves from Romney to try and protect their own campaigns in the last month.

Which will open up a whole new can of worms for Romney.
If Romney does not have the support of his own party's candidates, why should you show any faith in him by voting for him?

So far it is only a few GOP talking heads and some campaign leaks that are complaining.
GOP candidates doing the same will be a whole different story.

 

Ian62

(604 posts)
33. GOP are just trying to find excuses
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 07:21 AM
Sep 2012

Romney is such a terrible candidate with such an appalling track record and loads of dirt, he was always going to lose heavily.

Obama has only used less than 10% (of what I know about) that he can use against Romney so far.
Loads more will come out over the coming weeks.
(I.E. aired to the general public. Most of it is already on the net through alternative news sources like Mother Jones.)

Romney has only got vague and empty rhetoric, lies and distortions.
Nothing of substance.
Romney has said nothing of substance for the last 8 months at least.
He can't state I created x thousand jobs at Bain, because he simply didn't - the fact checkers would crucify him.
(Remember Clinton's stats? Romney can do nothing like that.)

The same goes for his appalling record as Ma Governor. He hasn't even bothered trying with that one.
Obama should make more of destroying Romney over his Ma record on what are normally Republican type values, strengths or issues.
Negative job creation, raising fees by $780m p.a., hurting small businesses, cost of doing business etc.)

Very little dirt has been "publicly" aired about Romney so far.
Obama can pick & choose the best bits.

I am sure Obama is already planning what surprise "news" he will air about Romney in the last 1 or 2 weeks.

I am also sure Obama has got a team wading through all Romney's nefarious and sometimes criminal business associates over the last 25 years. More news is expected on this.

Then of course there are the debates where Romney will get crucified.

It is termed Cognitive Dissonance.
Romney's campaign staffers do not want to accept how truly terrible a candidate he is.

oldsarge54

(582 posts)
36. Less than two months to the election
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 07:32 AM
Sep 2012

And the post election blame game has already started. In an earlier post I made a prediction concerning the future of the Republican party. Why do I feel I might be right?

mojo2012

(290 posts)
37. Too much dirt
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 07:53 AM
Sep 2012

Romney won't fire any of his staff especially those he knew from Bain. They have too much dirt on him for Romney to afford to let them go

bklyncowgirl

(7,960 posts)
40. So Romney's the great CEO, the guy who likes to fire people, the organizational genius.
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 08:30 AM
Sep 2012

“Mitt is a sticker — he stays with you. He had a reputation at Bain for sticking with people. They made a bad investment, he hung with them. … None of this is going to be fixed. This is the organization, and this is who Mitt is betting on to win. There aren’t going to be further changes.”

I have a feeling that if Romney had been running a real company that actually made things or sold things instead of a vulture capitalist firm, he'd be in the poor house by now despite his daddy's millions in seed money.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
46. Or To Be Giddy
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 11:38 AM
Sep 2012

And smirk when learning that Americans were killed in Libya? The campaign can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. The problem is a highly flawed candidate. One that cannot connect on any level, much like Richard Nixon.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
47. Such BS. A campaign that size isn't run by one person. Yes, someone is in charge...
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 12:29 PM
Sep 2012

..but they can't blame all of it on one guy. Unless Stevens is dressed up as Ann and sitting next to Romney feeding him lines, Romney sucks mightily on his own accord. And the other disasters are not the work of one person.

In the end, promoting Romney as a candidate, is like the ad firm hired to promote a new glow in the dark cereal that's coated with lead paint. You can only do so much when the product itself is putrid.

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