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Tue Feb 11, 2020, 05:27 PM

Former 'Empire' actor Jussie Smollett indicted by special prosecutor in Chicago

Source: ABC News

Former "Empire" actor Jussie Smollett was indicted Tuesday by a special prosecutor in Chicago investigating allegations he bogusly reported being the victim of a January 2019 hate-crime attack, officials said.

Smollett, 37, was indicted by special prosecutor Dan Webb, who was appointed by a Cook County judge to continue looking into his false allegations after the Cook County State’s Attorney Office dropped all charges against the actor, a source close to Smollett told ABC news.

The Cook County Clerk's Office confirmed to ABC station WLS-TV in Chicago that Smollett had been indicted.

Developing..


Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/US/empire-actor-jussie-smollett-indicted-special-prosecutor-chicago/story?id=68918453

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Reply Former 'Empire' actor Jussie Smollett indicted by special prosecutor in Chicago (Original post)
Calista241 Feb 2020 OP
CurtEastPoint Feb 2020 #1
marble falls Feb 2020 #3
jberryhill Feb 2020 #51
marble falls Feb 2020 #56
rpannier Feb 2020 #61
marble falls Feb 2020 #2
Skittles Feb 2020 #4
marble falls Feb 2020 #6
Quackers Feb 2020 #7
marble falls Feb 2020 #8
Quackers Feb 2020 #11
marble falls Feb 2020 #15
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MicaelS Feb 2020 #24
marble falls Feb 2020 #27
MicaelS Feb 2020 #29
Jose Garcia Feb 2020 #13
marble falls Feb 2020 #17
Jose Garcia Feb 2020 #66
marble falls Feb 2020 #67
LanternWaste Feb 2020 #72
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X_Digger Feb 2020 #22
marble falls Feb 2020 #30
X_Digger Feb 2020 #41
marble falls Feb 2020 #43
X_Digger Feb 2020 #45
marble falls Feb 2020 #46
X_Digger Feb 2020 #49
jberryhill Feb 2020 #57
marble falls Feb 2020 #65
JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2020 #75
Progressive Jones Feb 2020 #84
Pisces Feb 2020 #68
marble falls Feb 2020 #69
Fullduplexxx Feb 2020 #9
marble falls Feb 2020 #12
demofan40 Feb 2020 #14
marble falls Feb 2020 #19
Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2020 #23
Jamastiene Feb 2020 #59
marble falls Feb 2020 #71
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discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2020 #79
marble falls Feb 2020 #80
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csziggy Feb 2020 #18
Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2020 #20
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demofan40 Feb 2020 #10
marble falls Feb 2020 #25
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Skittles Feb 2020 #58
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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 05:32 PM

1. "bogusly?"

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Response to CurtEastPoint (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 05:45 PM

3. Rightously bogus, dude. Its in the law books and stuff.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 09:08 PM

51. With bogosity aforethought

 

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #51)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 09:58 PM

56. Or skylarking in the night season with intent meander.

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Response to CurtEastPoint (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:49 AM

61. You've never heard of it? "I don't know why; it's a perfectly cromulent word."

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 05:42 PM

2. I did not realize that the Chicago Police and prosecuters had reduced crime so much they ...

can afford to waste resources on this.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 05:54 PM

4. sending a message to people who make bullshit complaints

yup

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Response to Skittles (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 05:58 PM

6. I guess Smollett won't do it again. Its a waste to keep at this.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:08 PM

7. He did something illegal

The only reason he got out of charges before was because he’s rich and a celebrity. If you’re so sure he learned his lesson, why does he keep saying he didn’t do it? He should be subject to the same laws as the poor and average person.

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Response to Quackers (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:12 PM

8. How about punishment commensurate to the severity of the crime? Who got hurt? They solving ...

more than 40% of homicides in Chicago yet?

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Response to marble falls (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:16 PM

11. Who got hurt? Race relations in Chicago for one.

You’re right, Chicago does have a lot homicides. And instead of having police resources working them, they had to divert their attention to Jussie’s accusations. He is a gay minority celebrity who claimed a hate crime was committed against him. Why shouldn’t the false accusations he made be investigated with as much vigor as his original accusations?

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Response to Quackers (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:27 PM

15. BS. The Chicago police have been shooting compliant unarmed young black males ...

on the streets for years before Smollett was even born. You don't think this has a bigger effect than Smollett???

Tell me the part about Smollett upsetting race relations in Chicago again.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #15)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:31 PM

16. You're gonna believe what you want too. You obviously think Jussie shouldn't face punishment.

The majority of society disagrees and have acted on the law. I’m not going to argue anymore. There’s no point.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #15)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:59 PM

24. So since Smollett is black, he should not be prosecuted?

Is that what you are saying?

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #24)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:16 PM

27. You win the prize. What does his race have to with this?

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Response to marble falls (Reply #27)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:20 PM

29. YOU were the one who brought up race first.

So no, you win the prize.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:19 PM

13. How many police man hours were wasted due to Smollett's stunt?

Those are resources that could have been used to investigate murders.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:31 PM

17. Sooooo throw even more hours, engage a bunch of prosecuters, tie up a court room, then fine him ...

less than the cost to do even the initial investigation. Why waste even more resources?????

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Response to marble falls (Reply #17)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 09:40 AM

66. To deter others from repeating his behavior

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Response to Jose Garcia (Reply #66)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 09:42 AM

67. Seriously, you think Smollet is the tip of an iceberg, that there's a raft of piople just waiting ..

to file a raft of false reports. Interesting.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 10:06 AM

72. A fraction of a fraction of man-hours wasted on false burglar alarms. In one day.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #72)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 10:42 AM

73. How many of them were intentional?

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Response to marble falls (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:56 PM

22. How many people who needed police protection didn't get it because of this false claim?

What crimes might have been solved had some number of officers, detectives, and administrative staff hadn't been chasing this false story?

It's asinine to think that police resources are infinite.

Pulling resources away on a wild goose chase hurts the community generally, and possibly someone specific.

The fact that you seem to ignore this.. is kinda disgusting.

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Response to X_Digger (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:21 PM

30. Good question. How many? How many aren't getting justice now because the police department,

the prosecutor's office, the courts are involved in this incident that had no victims. There are murders and rapes they could be investigating but aren't because of this wasteful and useless prosecution.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #30)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:50 PM

41. You did it again. The victims are the people who weren't served by the police. Fucking duh.

I see, it's not inadvertent, it's intentional, apparently.

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Response to X_Digger (Reply #41)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:55 PM

43. You did it again: what about all those even more people not getting service ...

because of a useless prosecution?


NO VICTIM, NO FOUL!!!

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Response to marble falls (Reply #43)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 08:08 PM

45. The victims are those that weren't served by the police.

Maybe a murderer is running free because of this idiot's stunt. Maybe a drunk driver killed some kid because the police didn't pull him over, because they were canvassing for witnesses on the other side of town.

If that were your family member who were killed, would you still parrot, "NO VICTIM, NO FOUL!!!"?

I rather suspect not. But you get on with your intentional obtuseness.

It's transparent now, and everyone gets to see it.

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Response to X_Digger (Reply #45)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 08:18 PM

46. And the even more who aren't getting justice because of this nothing case. Name one person ...

other than Jesse Smollett who was hurt by this.

Why do you want to take even more police work taken away from the people: for what purpose??? And add to that a prosecutor's office, the courts, the judges and juries. Why???

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Response to marble falls (Reply #46)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 08:44 PM

49. Name one person who died because a cop wasn't there while the cops were investigating this fraud?

Do you really want me to list every murder, every assault, every pedestrian killed or injured by a drunk driver while this farce of an investigation was going on?

Is your intentional obtuseness that obscene?

Let's see. It started on January 22 when Smollett reported a threatening letter laced with a powder, later determined to be tylenol. Fast forward to March 8, when a grand jury indicted Smollett.

Let's just take that period, shall we? (And that's me being generous.)

Homicides:
Fred Brown, 61 years old
Ambriana Collins, 24 years old
Mohammed Rafati, 39 years old
Adrien Campos, 21 years old
Ninaa Edwards, 23 years old
Darrien Wilson, 31 years old
Jeremy Carothers, 39 years old
Marvin Powell, 36 years old
Anthony White, 32 years old
Riel Jones, 32 years old
Deontae Davenport, 22 years old
Lawrence Lee, 47 years old
Tyrell Carr, 26 years old
Von Lindsey, 25 years old
Donavin Harris, 20 years old
Terrance Hale, 26 years old
Erick Alverez-Coronel, 16 years old
Phillip Robinson, 30 years old
Eugene Johnson, 27 years old
Luis Aguilar, 27 years old
Cordero Weathers, 23 years old
Michael Elam, 17 years old
Sebastian Morales, 18 years old
Douglas Robinson, 57 years old
Inagua Bray, 40 years old
Jimmy Washington, 39 years old
Antoine Grant, 34 years old
Elisa Corona Vargas, 47 years old
Emanuel Gallegos, 17 years old
Ryan Hoffman, 32 years old
Terry Green, 25 years old
Michael John Ruby, 32 years old
Jasmine Reese, 22 years old
Kelly Bell, 25 years old
Thurman Bailey, 28 years old


How many of these folks' family consider Smollett's fucking stunt a victimless crime?

How many of these folks might be alive, or their killers found, if they weren't chasing a high profile imaginary assault assailant?

It's harder to find drunk driving victims in the same timeframe, but since the search results turn up MANY results, I'm assuming the number is not zero.

Go ahead, tell me again, that there were NO VICTIMS due to Smollett's asinine criminal adventure.

Go ahead. I double dog dare ya.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #46)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:02 PM

57. There are people who call 911 to order pizza

 


I happen to think there should be consequences for that sort of thing.

Saying “there are murders in Chicago, therefore any crime short of that should be suspended” is just silly.

I’m pretty sure they write parking tickets in Chicago too.

So, pay the meter. Because when you get your parking ticket, I don’t think you are going to have a good argument.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #57)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 09:39 AM

65. Don't put words in my mouth councilor ...

1. People use 911 to order pizza which is not what Smottlett did, but what the heck do you think they would have been gone over like Smollett was? I do not believe the CPD has 'false report' squad.

2. I never said as a blanket stop to a high murder rate don't ticket litterers. Though that is why some authorities don't prosecute minor drug violations, it takes too many cops off the street and fills jails needlessly.

3, I pay for my parking and traffic tickets and I recommend everyone do so. That said: prosecuting Smollett any further is mean spirited and wastes time and police resources on a charge that's small potatoes, that isn't likely to start a whole wave of false reports, that hurts no one except maybe Smolletts career.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #57)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 11:27 AM

75. If I call 911 to order pizza, I'll get told off.

I don't think the department will send teams of detectives to investigate. They might send a social worker to see if I need some kind of help.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #46)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 08:56 PM

84. Smollett failed miserably at being a citizen that night.

He wasted the resources of law enforcement.
He lied, and used racism to doll it up.
He got a bunch of people to feel sorry for him with his bullshit stunt.

He has to be held accountable.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 09:44 AM

68. His punishment should be to pay 130K to the city, therapy, and community service. To create a hate

Crime in these volatile times so that you can make more money on a terrible show is crazy. I don’t think he should go to jail, but what if his stupid stunt had spawned retaliation crimes? What if someone got hurt through this retaliation. He would be responsible and could have been charged and sued for inciting those crimes. He is affluenza kid in black skin. Both cases are sickening.

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Response to Pisces (Reply #68)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 09:46 AM

69. That would break the law ...

Disorderly Conduct

720 ilcs 26-1(a)(4)

" (a) A person commits disorderly conduct when he knowingly:

(4) Transmits or causes to be transmitted in any manner to any peace officer, public officer or public employee a report to the effect that an offense will be committed, is being committed, or has been committed, knowing at the time of such transmission that there is no reasonable ground for believing that such an offense will be committed, is being committed, or has been committed"

also can be these subsections,

(11) Transmits or causes to be transmitted a false



report to any public safety agency without the reasonable grounds necessary to believe that transmitting such a report is necessary for the safety and welfare of the public; or

(12) Calls the number "911" for the purpose of making



or transmitting a false alarm or complaint and reporting information when, at the time the call or transmission is made, the person knows there is no reasonable ground for making the call or transmission and further knows that the call or transmission could result in the emergency response of any public safety agency; or

(13) Transmits or causes to be transmitted a threat



of destruction of a school building or school property, or a threat of violence, death, or bodily harm directed against persons at a school, school function, or school event, whether or not school is in session.

(b) Sentence. A violation of subsection (a)(1) of this Section is a Class C misdemeanor. A violation of subsection (a)(5) or (a)(11) of this Section is a Class A misdemeanor. A violation of subsection (a)(8) or (a)(10) of this Section is a Class B misdemeanor. A violation of subsection (a)(2), (a)(4), (a)(7), (a)(9), (a)(12), or (a)(13) of this Section is a Class 4 felony. A violation of subsection (a)(3) of this Section is a Class 3 felony, for which a fine of not less than $3,000 and no more than $10,000 shall be assessed in addition to any other penalty imposed.
Source(s): Retired Illinois cop


You're under arrest!

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Response to marble falls (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:13 PM

9. Isnt that pretty much what trump said about the impeachment trial

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:17 PM

12. You're comparing Smollet to Trump only trivializes Trump. Nothing Smollett has done rises to ...

level of any one thing Trump has on any one of his slow days.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:20 PM

14. Smollett is trivializing hate crimes that have escalated dramatically under the Trump administration

It seemed to be a huge deal when people thought he was actually attacked.

Why brush it under the carpet now that it turned out to be a hoax? It makes a mockery out of people like Heather Heyer.

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Response to demofan40 (Reply #14)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:43 PM

19. Nope. Who knows what his intent was. But you can't seriously argue race relations in Chicago ...

are worse today because of Jesse Smollett.

So its OK to compare Smollett to Trump? Trump is compared to Hitler, so Jesse Smollett is ....

No one got hurt. There's no way this incident helped his career. Enough is enough. Don't waste anymore tax dollars on this.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #19)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:58 PM

23. Nice straw man you got there. Nobody is arguing that. What Smollett has done


... Smollett has damaged everyone else who has ACTUALLY been a victim. He has damaged their credibility.

All such claims will get harder scrutiny which means that some perpetrators will be released in similar cases.

All witnesses in such cases will have a harder time on the stand.

Juries will be less likely to believe victims who have ACTUALLY suffered violence like Smollett falsely claimed.



If you want to support the United States of America justice system to take down tRump, then you have to support it when it investigates and prosecutes crimes which bring that justice system into disrepute the way Smollett has tried to do.

If you want the American Public to believe a verdict against tRump, then you have to support the justice system defending itself against the attacks on its integrity.



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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #23)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 12:56 AM

59. That is my take on it.

Actual victims will not get justice if people are allowed to make false claims and get away with it. False allegations will neuter hate crimes laws, because actual victims will be ignored as potentially another one making false allegations.

Off topic: I like those bumper stickers in your signature line, btw.

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #23)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 10:04 AM

71. BS. Do you really believe that Smolletts case really affected anyone except those who want ...

to see Smollett "punished" beyond what the law calls for:

Disorderly Conduct

720 ilcs 26-1(a)(4)

" (a) A person commits disorderly conduct when he knowingly:

(4) Transmits or causes to be transmitted in any manner to any peace officer, public officer or public employee a report to the effect that an offense will be committed, is being committed, or has been committed, knowing at the time of such transmission that there is no reasonable ground for believing that such an offense will be committed, is being committed, or has been committed"

also can be these subsections,

(11) Transmits or causes to be transmitted a false



report to any public safety agency without the reasonable grounds necessary to believe that transmitting such a report is necessary for the safety and welfare of the public; or

(12) Calls the number "911" for the purpose of making



or transmitting a false alarm or complaint and reporting information when, at the time the call or transmission is made, the person knows there is no reasonable ground for making the call or transmission and further knows that the call or transmission could result in the emergency response of any public safety agency; or

(13) Transmits or causes to be transmitted a threat



of destruction of a school building or school property, or a threat of violence, death, or bodily harm directed against persons at a school, school function, or school event, whether or not school is in session.

(b) Sentence. A violation of subsection (a)(1) of this Section is a Class C misdemeanor. A violation of subsection (a)(5) or (a)(11) of this Section is a Class A misdemeanor. A violation of subsection (a)(8) or (a)(10) of this Section is a Class B misdemeanor. A violation of subsection (a)(2), (a)(4), (a)(7), (a)(9), (a)(12), or (a)(13) of this Section is a Class 4 felony. A violation of subsection (a)(3) of this Section is a Class 3 felony, for which a fine of not less than $3,000 and no more than $10,000 shall be assessed in addition to any other penalty imposed.
Source(s): Retired Illinois cop

If anything the case show that fake reports are sussed out in two or three days exactly the way CPD already solved the crime.

The issue is what is the correct punishment which is usually drop the charges if they weren't made in connection with another crime.

Not every crime even when arrests are made are prosecuted, even ones where there is bodily or property harm because the PD or prosecutors decide not to prosecute.

As for your name calling: I think its more Trumpian to go after a nothing nuisance case asking for more punishment that the law calls for and ignore all other crimes like murder, rape. burglary, larceny, assault ... you know, where's there's a clear victim, one with a name with clear damage.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #71)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 11:15 AM

74. I didn't call you names or anyone else in my post. Look up "straw man fallacy".


Your straw man was your attempt to claim that people were arguing Smollett had damaged race relations in Chicago. You set that claim up like a straw man and then knocked it down. Nobody in this sub thread was arguing that. If somebody was in another part of the thread, then you need to edit your post and take your argument there.

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #74)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 11:52 AM

76. You certainly suggested that I was Trump like because I don't want this prosecuted any ...

further than it was.

My claim is: Smollett has been prosecuted enough.
a. he was investigated and the prosecution decided there was no there, there.
b. the law itself doesn't call for the depth of prosecution some here want with punishment not called for in the law.
c. there are better uses of police/prosecutors/court resources for crimes that actually have victims.
d. There is no point prosecuting this for its bad effect on race relations. Because race relations are abysmal alread and didn't have a thing to with Jesse Smollett.

There is no strawman here except for the further prosecution of Smollett for all the bad reasons to prosecute him I listed above.

There certainly is no reason to prosecute because it damages the cops:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Chicago

Public corruption and political crime

Chicago has a long history of public corruption that regularly draws the attention of federal law enforcement and federal prosecutors.[85] Chicago's political landscape has been firmly under the control of the <delete> for over 85 years and has been widely described as a political machine.[86][87][88][89] In the 1980s, the FBI's Operation Greylord uncovered massive and systemic corruption in Chicago's judicial system. Greylord was the longest and most successful undercover operation in the history of the FBI, and resulted in 92 federal indictments, including 17 judges, 48 lawyers, eight policemen, 10 deputy sheriffs, eight court officials, and one state legislator. Nearly all were convicted on a variety of charges including bribery, kickbacks, fraud, vote buying, racketeering, and drug trafficking.[90][91][92]

The late 1980s and 1990s saw further efforts by the FBI to prosecute Chicago's public crime syndicates. Operation Incubator obtained about a dozen convictions or guilty pleas, including those from five members of the City Council and an aide to former Mayor Harold Washington.[93] Later Operation Gambat brought a wide range of charges against a Chicago judge, a state senator, an alderman, and two others relating to corruption in the Cook County Circuit Court, the Illinois Senate, and the Chicago City Council. Four were convicted and a fifth died during trial.[94] The most extensive operation by the FBI of the 1990s, Operation Silver Shovel, sought to uncover corruption within Chicago labor unions, organized crime, and other city government officials. Operation Silver Shovel resulted in the conviction of 6 Chicago Alderman and a dozen other local officials on a wide range of corruption related charges.[94][95][96]

From 2019 to 2012, 33 Chicago aldermen were convicted on corruption charges, a conviction rate of roughly one third of those elected in the time period. A report from the Office of the Legislative Inspector General noted that over half of Chicago's elected alderman took illegal campaign contributions in 2013.[97] In 2015, mayor appointed Barbara Byrd-Bennett, the CEO of Chicago Public Schools, was convicted in a $23 million kickback scheme and was sentenced to seven and-a-half years in prison.[98] In addition to the Bennett conviction, a joint investigative report issued by the Office of the Inspector General and federal authorities documented widespread corruption within Chicago Public Schools in 2015. The audit noted the criminal shakedown of a CPS vendor, a records falsification scheme by a principal, numerous instances of employees abusing CPS's tax-exempt status to purchase personal items at big-box retailers, illegally using taxpayer-funded resources to campaign for political causes and stealing from taxpayer-funded accounts intended for purchasing student materials.[99]

A 2015 report released by the University of Illinois at Chicago's political science department declared Chicago the "corruption capital of America", citing that the Chicago-based Federal Judicial District for Northern Illinois reported 45 public corruption convictions for 2013 and a total of 1,642 convictions for the 38 years since 1976 when the U.S. Department of Justice began compiling the statistics. UIC Professor and former Chicago Alderman Dick Simpson noted in the report that "To end corruption, society needs to do more than convict the guys that get caught. A comprehensive anti-corruption strategy must be forged and carried out over at least a decade. A new political culture in which public corruption is no longer tolerated must be created".[100][101]
The FBI's Chicago division.

Examples of other high-profile Chicago political figures convicted on corruption related charges include Rod Blagojevich, Jesse Jackson Jr., Isaac Carothers, Arenda Troutman, Edward Vrdolyak, Otto Kerner, Jr., Constance Howard, Fred Roti and Dan Rostenkowski.

In October 2015, the FBI announced that Michael Anderson would be taking over for a retiring Robert Holley as Special Agent in Charge of the Chicago Bureau. Anderson, a corruption veteran who wrote the FBI Public Corruption Field Guide, called Chicago "target rich" for cases in an interview with the Chicago Tribune. Anderson commands a team of 850 agents in Chicago along with analysts and support staff.[102][103]

Most corruption cases in Chicago are prosecuted by the US Attorney's office, as legal jurisdiction makes most offenses punishable as a federal crime.[104] The current US Attorney for the Northern district of Illinois is Zachary T. Fardon.[105] In a press conference in January 2016, in the wake of the conviction of former Chicago City Hall official, John Bills, for taking $2 million in bribes, Fardon commented "Public corruption [in Chicago] is a disease and where public officials violate the public trust, we have to hold them accountable. And I do believe that by doing so, it sends a deterrent message."[106][107]


Please tell me how where Jesse Smollett fits into that? How is it that a false report is worse than selective prosecution or an arrest developing over false evidence ginned by the police.

Smollett did what he did. No one got hurt over it, it certainly hasn't seemed to help his career a bit. No one was hurt. The case was already in the heand of prosecutors and they declined to prosecute. The CPD just wants to slam dunk Smollett to let him know he can't beat the CPD. Talk about a Trumpian misuse of power.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #76)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 11:54 AM

77. I made no such suggestion. Just give it up. . . . nt

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #77)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 12:00 PM

78. Smollett is being prosecuted for no other reason than he pissed off the CPD. Its an abuse of ...

power and it is for a crime that generally gets dropped if there are no other crimes attached.

You all need to take a look at why it is you really want to see this guy "punished". Even the law doesn't look to lock him up and only has a fine not over $10,000.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #78)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:39 PM

79. au contraire mon ami

This is damage control.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #79)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 04:18 PM

80. Exactamundo, it has nothing to do with justice, the law or racial relations.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #80)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 04:35 PM

81. IMO it does have to do with the fair execution of justice...

...but that's not the REAL motivation for pursuing prosecution.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #19)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 09:49 AM

70. I can see what your intent is on this board. Sow division Trump troll. I'm done with you.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:51 PM

21. I didn't compare smollett to trump try re reading it

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Response to marble falls (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:34 PM

18. Smollet wasted their time with his bogus claims

So they want to make a point that he won't just get a "Please don't do it again."

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Response to marble falls (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:51 PM

20. They are not wasting time. Smollet is wasting everyone's time. . . . nt

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Response to marble falls (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 06:22 PM

82. We're not allowed to bring that up...

Nor are we allowed to cite this case the next time a white person makes a false claim to police and gets off with no punishment.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 05:56 PM

5. I still do not get why he would make such a false claim as the risks to his

career plus to his freedom imo should have been a good enough deterrent you would think.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:13 PM

26. he needs therapy

that's what he should have done - accepted responsibility and get some help

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:23 PM

31. Why? Because he thought that he could get away with it

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 09:16 PM

53. He wasnt getting over enough to suit himself. Thought he should be a bigger star.

And, buying into his own perceived importance, figured he was smart enough to not get caught. And this would het him national exposure he thought eluded him. Which that part may have been true; I never heard of him before the incident. Which is why i knew it was faked.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:16 PM

10. He trivialized real hate crimes that have escalated during the Trump administration

This is nothing to play around with when the President of the United States is inciting division, bigotry and violence on a daily basis.

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Response to demofan40 (Reply #10)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:13 PM

25. Seriously. You're arguing that Smolletts case affected the much increased rate of hate crimes ...

that actually have been rising since before Smollett made his claim? How does that work?

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Response to marble falls (Reply #25)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:25 PM

32. That's not what Demo40man said, and I think you know it

Smollet tied up resources that could have gone towards reducing crime in Chicago. By making a false accusation, he gave ammunition to racists, and he made it more difficult for future victims to have their story believed.

He did this to raise his salary. To take advantage of people's sympathy for his own selfish ends was a real sick move.

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Response to Beakybird (Reply #32)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:32 PM

33. The whole case fell apart in three days, please. Why is adding a lot more than three days ...

of cops and prosecutors, and judges and juries such a great idea????

And if that wasn't his argument then why'd he even bring up "fake racial attacks"? Ask him that when you see him next.

Smollett tied up resources and you want those same resources wasted even longer for a fine that won't even equal a tenth of the costs of the initial investigations alone.

Meanwhile murders, rapes, purse snatchings aren't being investigated.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #33)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:37 PM

35. A lot of people are angry that he used racism for his own selfish ends.

You're basically saying that it's perfectly ok to make false police reports, and there should be no consequences because tying up resources and abusing people's trust isn't a violent crime.

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Response to Beakybird (Reply #35)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:44 PM

37. Like who and so what? Ask them which affected their concept of race relations in Chicago ...

more:

Jesse Smollett

or

the cop who shot an complying, unarmed black teenager in the street, hitting him with 16 rounds from two clips.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #37)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:47 PM

58. one does not excuse the other

stop acting like Smollett is a victim - HE WAS NOT AND IS NOT.

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Response to Skittles (Reply #58)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 09:19 AM

63. The two are not equal. Short of shooting a cop they can't be. My point is ...

I was told Smollett "hurt" race relations. I'm saying that is patently untrue. It doesn't even show up on the race relations hurt chart.

I've never said Smottlet was a victim, what I am saying is this prosecution is stupid and wasteful and in fact makes worse one of the claims someone or another keeps pointing out: the fact cops wasted a small pieces of time on it originally and now are spending even more time and much more resources on making it worse.

Helps if one reads the whole thread.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:19 PM

28. Well HE's not winning the New Hampshire primary now

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Response to underpants (Reply #28)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:37 PM

34. But U.P., you don't mind if I calls ya U.P., duz ya? You ain't thinkin' of jumping off the

Jesse Smollet for President bandwagon, are ya? Please, please say it ain't true.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #34)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:42 PM

36. First Marianne

and now this.

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Response to underpants (Reply #36)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:46 PM

39. Dammit. I wuz leaving post of "Drug Czar" open for you!

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Response to marble falls (Reply #39)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:54 PM

42. How about....

Drug BizCzar?

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Response to underpants (Reply #42)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:56 PM

44. Its yours! Tell no one else.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:44 PM

38. Maybe he'll finally be held accountable for his actions.

he doesnt even see the damage he's done to people who REALLY get attacked being believed

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #38)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:47 PM

40. Name one case affected by this. I sure can't.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #40)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 08:21 PM

47. False accusations stir up fear, tie up resources, and increase cynicism against real victims.

Would the shoe be on the same foot if it was a white actor falsely claiming a hate crime by people dressed with Black Lives Matter insignia?

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Response to Beakybird (Reply #47)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 08:31 PM

48. Seriously. We don't have enough real crime we have to "protect" from imaginary projected crime ...

how much fake race related attacks have there been?

I can point out real assault figures, murder rate, number of grannies relived of their handbags, the shoplifters of mom and pop stores.

All you got is Jesse Smollett and some imaginary victims no one can identify.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #40)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 09:11 PM

52. Thats just it; many cases WONT BE REPORTED because of this POS.

Because they're already scared enough, and now they're scared they wont be believed because of this ass

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Response to marble falls (Reply #40)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:48 AM

60. Is that the new legal standard?

 



“Hey, he did some illegal stuff but you know, nobody was affected so, it’s like, whatever.”

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Response to HarlanPepper (Reply #60)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 09:24 AM

64. Do you think dropping a gum wrapper is as bad as dumping a ton of industrial waste? ...

is murder as bad as making a false report? The prosecution is out of whack with the charges.

What do you think the correct punishment should be?

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 09:05 PM

50. About goddamn time

Hope it was worth it Jussie!

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 09:56 PM

55. It has to be done: Even without accusations of colluding with Smollett's family

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prosecutor Kim Foxx should have dismissed -- not dropped -- the charges with no punishment of any kind and returned Smollett's bond money if the police investigation had been either so improper or so incompetent. Instead, Foxx cut a first-offender plea deal for Smollett though he was NOT a first offender.


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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 08:06 AM

62. They weren't investigating Smollett they were investigating Doxx

Smollett was just a bonus, since Smollett is being charged you can expect much worse for Kim Foxx. Smollett shouldn't walk because of the misconduct of a prosecutor.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 06:24 PM

83. A special prosecutor and an entire detachment of detectives

all because someone got a slap on the wrist over a false claim??

Hell, send these fucking people after Trump next, then!

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