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groundloop

(11,519 posts)
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 10:08 AM Apr 2020

Nurses suspended for refusing COVID-19 care without N95 mask

Source: ABC News

Nurse Mike Gulick was meticulous about not bringing the coronavirus home to his wife and their 2-year-old daughter. He’d stop at a hotel after work just to take a shower. He’d wash his clothes in Lysol disinfectant. They did a tremendous amount of handwashing.

But at Providence Saint John’s Health Center in Santa Monica, California, Gulick and his colleagues worried that caring for infected patients without first being able to don an N95 respirator mask was risky. The N95 mask filters out 95% of all airborne particles, including ones too tiny to be blocked by regular masks. But administrators at his hospital said they weren’t necessary and didn’t provide them, he said.

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Then, last week, a nurse on Gulick’s ward tested positive for the coronavirus, which causes the disease COVID-19. The next day doctors doing rounds on their ward asked the nurses why they weren’t wearing N95 masks, Gulick said, and told them they should have better protection.

For Gulick, that was it. He and a handful of nurses told their managers they wouldn’t enter COVID-19 patient rooms without N95 masks. The hospital suspended them, according to the National Nurses Union, which represents them. Ten nurses are now being paid but not allowed to return to work pending an investigation from human resources, the union said.



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Nurses suspended for refusing COVID-19 care without N95 mask (Original Post) groundloop Apr 2020 OP
Another horrific Admin response RockCreek Apr 2020 #1
It seems like customerserviceguy Apr 2020 #16
I think they were dicks before! RockCreek Apr 2020 #24
I'm sure that the ignorant unqualified self declared medical expert Jared Kushner... NNadir Apr 2020 #2
Fucking stupid decision bluestarone Apr 2020 #3
This is what happens in private, for-profit hospitals. luvtheGWN Apr 2020 #4
Watch this site for a total walk-out. Then and only then will the hospital... machoneman Apr 2020 #5
Saint John's Health Center is NOT, repeat NOT, a "private, for-profit" hospital..... George II Apr 2020 #6
I apologize luvtheGWN Apr 2020 #7
Thanks. I appreciate that. This situation is because of a misguided administrator or manager.... George II Apr 2020 #8
It's a mission statement customerserviceguy Apr 2020 #17
That's not their mission statement. lapucelle Apr 2020 #22
to put it the way Frank Zappa did at the 1985 PMRC Senate Hearings 90-percent Apr 2020 #12
That's not a private, for profit hospital... the not for profit hospitals have issues as well ehrnst Apr 2020 #14
That is what we are being told at my hospital AllyCat Apr 2020 #9
You shouldn't have to make that choice on your own. ffr Apr 2020 #10
Why if we we hear every day there are masks, kacekwl Apr 2020 #11
The administration and management at my hospital. AllyCat Apr 2020 #13
Administrators are not medical people. George II Apr 2020 #15
actually sometimes they are. Many nurse admins are actually RN's, like my wife TeamPooka Apr 2020 #19
Wow, they need a union treestar Apr 2020 #18
They are in a union Massacure Apr 2020 #23
Unf'ing believable. Joinfortmill Apr 2020 #20
Who is the hospital administrator? Fire his ass! Reinstate Gulick. There, saved the hosp. a bundle. mpcamb Apr 2020 #21
K&R ck4829 Apr 2020 #25

RockCreek

(739 posts)
1. Another horrific Admin response
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 10:22 AM
Apr 2020

Against people doing the right thing for patient care.

I was born in that hospital, and used to be happy to say that.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
16. It seems like
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 01:54 PM
Apr 2020

everybody's admiring healthcare workers these days, with the notable exception of hospital administrators, who have become dicks.

NNadir

(33,525 posts)
2. I'm sure that the ignorant unqualified self declared medical expert Jared Kushner...
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 10:22 AM
Apr 2020

...if asked to go in himself and share his self declared expertise in medicine, would suddenly find some of "his" masks, paid for the American taxpayers but grifted by him.

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
4. This is what happens in private, for-profit hospitals.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 10:27 AM
Apr 2020

When the bottom line is all that matters, then to hell with the disposable medical staff. This action is akin to cutting off your nose to spite your face. Or do they think that there are trained professionals just lining up outside the HR office begging to be hired, and treated the same way?

machoneman

(4,007 posts)
5. Watch this site for a total walk-out. Then and only then will the hospital...
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 10:33 AM
Apr 2020

pay attention and supply the needed gear. Sadly, it's the patients that will suffer the most.

George II

(67,782 posts)
6. Saint John's Health Center is NOT, repeat NOT, a "private, for-profit" hospital.....
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 10:50 AM
Apr 2020

Why do people immediately jump to that conclusion without doing a simple google search?

Your apology would be greatly appreciated.


luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
7. I apologize
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:06 AM
Apr 2020

with this proviso: The actions taken belie the statement above. "Belief that healthcare is a human right" and "our caregivers provide quality, compassionate care to all those we serve", for example. If a hospital is not going to protect caregivers, then there isn't a whole lot of compassion, is there?

I "jumped to that conclusion" because this sort of behaviour would NOT be allowed in Canadian hospitals.

George II

(67,782 posts)
8. Thanks. I appreciate that. This situation is because of a misguided administrator or manager....
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:08 AM
Apr 2020

....I suspect he/she will be fired or demoted pretty quickly.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
17. It's a mission statement
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 01:56 PM
Apr 2020

Come up with by a group of pencil-pushers at a seminar, no doubt. Besides having beautiful buzzwords, it was never intended to mean anything.

90-percent

(6,829 posts)
12. to put it the way Frank Zappa did at the 1985 PMRC Senate Hearings
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:39 AM
Apr 2020

"It's like curing dandruff by decapitation."

-90% Jimmy

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
14. That's not a private, for profit hospital... the not for profit hospitals have issues as well
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 12:32 PM
Apr 2020

See also, the Veterans' Administration hospital scandals.

AllyCat

(16,189 posts)
9. That is what we are being told at my hospital
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:32 AM
Apr 2020

Unless it is an aeresolizing procedure, no N95. I was denied one just this week. Fortunately, I had brought one from home.

ffr

(22,670 posts)
10. You shouldn't have to make that choice on your own.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:36 AM
Apr 2020

Fuck! If you chose to stay at home, nobody would look down on you for it.

Be safe!!!!!!!

kacekwl

(7,017 posts)
11. Why if we we hear every day there are masks,
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:38 AM
Apr 2020

ventilators, tests, everywhere everyone has more than what they need why are these stories reported daily ? Who's lying here ?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
18. Wow, they need a union
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 02:23 PM
Apr 2020

or contracts the specify that they have the right to protective equipment. This is ridiculous.

Massacure

(7,525 posts)
23. They are in a union
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 10:09 PM
Apr 2020

Per the article, "The hospital suspended them, according to the National Nurses Union, which represents them. Ten nurses are now being paid but not allowed to return to work pending an investigation from human resources, the union said."

mpcamb

(2,871 posts)
21. Who is the hospital administrator? Fire his ass! Reinstate Gulick. There, saved the hosp. a bundle.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 07:35 PM
Apr 2020

Overinflated salary- gone.
Great nurse- back on duty.

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