Trump says he'll block virus aid unless Congress cuts taxes for businesses

[turbinetree]

Source: American Independent

By Emily Singer -May 4, 2020 11:11 AM

Trump wants a payroll tax cut — which would do nothing to aid more than 30 million Americans who have been laid off.

Donald Trump on Sunday said he will not approve any more aid for the tens of millions of Americans who have lost their jobs as a result of the novel coronavirus pandemic unless Congress cuts taxes for businesses.

"We’re not doing anything without a payroll tax cut," Trump said Sunday night during a Fox News town hall.

A payroll tax cut would cut taxes for businesses and for employees who are still receiving paychecks, but would do nothing to aid the more than 30 million Americans who have been laid off.

Experts say a payroll tax cut wouldn't help create jobs.

Read more: https://americanindependent.com/donald-trump-coronavirus-aid-payroll-tax-cut-businesses-congress-covid-19/

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Well now your into blackmailed ............you fucking always threaten people your the biggest chickenshit walking the planet..............YOU HAVE BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS>...........

[leftieNanner]

1. PLUS

It cuts the amount of $$ going into the Social Security system and has a deep impact going forward.

Hope the Congress stands firm on this one!

[Newest Reality]

7. Bingo!

Case in point.

I think the opinion here is that is the ulterior motive of this.

[DENVERPOPS]

13. LN

don't forget the fact that the RepubliCONs are trying to use the Pandemic for every opportunity to enact their destructive tendencies aimed at the Middle Class...........

#1 The USPS

#2 Social Security

#3 Medicare

#4 medicaid

#5 Public Education

#6 Food Stamps

#7 Unions

#8 School Lunch program

#9 Full implement corrupted elections

#10 Worker's compensation

#11 Higher Taxes on everyone earning less than a million a year

#12 Zero taxes on the 1%ers, and zero taxes on Corporations

#13 Even more Corporate Welfare

Have I missed anything????????????

[cstanleytech]

34. What do you expect from a party who's real goal is to hurt as many people as possible?

[olddad65]

58. His job is to collapse the economy.

That is on Putin’s orders. That is his assignment. Divide and conquer. We are already divided into red and blue states. Next he will bankrupt all of the blue states.

[hibbing]

39. Throw in a whole pot of racism

Get rid of the EPA


Peace

[LudwigPastorius]

44. "Have I missed anything?"

A woman's right to bodily integrity and full access to necessary medical procedures...

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/07/829202298/federal-appeals-court-panel-reaffirms-texas-abortion-ban-under-coronavirus-limit

[SammyWinstonJack]

51. That's the plan. F'n Maggot.

[Bengus81]

55. He's putting out any and all BULLSHIT that will stroke Wall St....

Worked today,now green from being down hundreds of points this morning...........

[NotHardly]

61. Congress either stands firm or dooms us all, it is that simple.

[Hotler]

66. " Hope the Congress stands firm on this one!" that's a good one....

For that to happen, Nancy and the team need to stop playing nice. I have no hope.

[dixiegrrrrl]

67. And Medicare funding.....he knows eactly what it would do.

Under normal circumstances, as in before the virus, Soc.Sec. fund was good for another 10 years till it needed attention.

Those behind the Malignant Capitalism of the last 20 +years have talked of various schemes to move Soc.Sec./Medicare into the General Fund, where it could be spent on anything = end of both programs.

[Iliyah]

2. He does not care about the citizens of the USA. . . .

[mitch96]

3. If he blocks aide he is shooting him self in the foot.... what a dick...... nt

[Walleye]

4. Call his bluff, Madam Speaker

[Bayard]

36. This

Make an ad--trump does not give a rat's ass about Americans.

[niyad]

5. FUCKING MURDERER!!!!

[dflprincess]

6. Using the pandemic to attack Social Security

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Sometimes I think the Republicans let it get this bad on purpose.

The Democrats need to scream loud and clear over this move until every media outlet picks up on it.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

50. That was my first thought.

The Repugs have viscerally despised Social Security since day one. Now they've got a Perfect Storm -- a pandemic, a panicked population, and a president who hates Americans almost as much as he hates himself. Trump is using the excuse of the pandemic to get rid of everything he hates -- WHO, Social Security, taxes on the extremely wealthy. NATO is probably next on the chopping block, with Canada not far behind.

When Trump said, "When somebody’s president of the United States, the authority is total," he told us everything we need to know about his mindset. And given how the Senate Republicans gave him carte blanche during the impeachment "trial," and the new makeup of the SCOTUS, he's probably not far from wrong.

[C_U_L8R]

8. We're all hostages now

[Newest Reality]

9. Ok Base...

OK, base, what's the excuse you are going to give your Dear Leader now?

Oh, you just hear tax cut, think it's good and about you. You don't bother to read the details or figure things out. You can't think for yourself. Investigating something take away from your gun cleaning and dwarf tossing. Thick as a brick. A bag of stones.

And THAT's only a short list of why you are his base. Well, you sure don't deserve a democracy or the freedom that comes with it. Oh, but that's too complex a topic and I stop here.

[AllaN01Bear]

10. hes only thinking about himself and his butt budies .

[gristy]

11. "I would like you to do us a favor though..."

OMG. We are indeed all hostages now.

[BComplex]

12. If the democrats hold firm, his prediction that the economy would crash might work in our favor!

If the economy gets worse as a result of dems not playing his games, then come November, people are going to look at what's happening with the economy, and they aren't going to blame the democrats, no matter how hard Fox "news" pushes that meme.

Just tell him "fine! We won't be blackmailed! We're trying to look after the little guy!"

[cstanleytech]

16. What do you mean "if"? Its been getting worse for decades due to Republican economic ideas all of

which fail.

[BComplex]

21. True that. Good point.

But we at least need to make sure that every media platform puts it back on trump. And I really hope Nancy won't let the dems be blackmailed, and makes sure everyone knows it.

[bucolic_frolic]

14. Yes, Donny Ostrich, that will be popular in an election year!

Proceed, Maestro!

[cstanleytech]

15. Pelosi needs to stand her ground on this and refuse and phrase it as no more corporate welfare will

be given to corporations.

[trueblue2007]

42. No more corporate welfare DONALD RUMP. No more bail out for your biz friends. Eat your Butt Trump

[cstanleytech]

43. She should also focus on that Donald Trump and the Republicans care more about corporations

than they do about the american people and it will be the complete truth.

[MacKasey]

17. Everything Trump says is a lie

Till he says He didn't say that

Remember back in 2016 "I will protect Social Security"

[dhill926]

18. more grist for this fall's ads...

fucking asshole...

[MissMillie]

19. Tax INCENTIVES not tax CUTS

I'm an SOOOOOOO over the idea that if we cut business taxes then businesses will behave in a manner that benefits everyone (instead of just themselves). It NEVER happens.

[cstanleytech]

31. Exactly!! The Republican politicians idea of cutting taxes will lead to a better life

for more people because it will cause things like corporations to do things like raise the workers pay on their own is a complete and utter failure.
All it does it lead to corporations doing things like buying their own stock back to raise its value and handing out huge bonuses to the higher ups while barely providing even a smidgen of crumbs for the average worker.

[Pacifist Patriot]

20. A payroll tax cut does nothing except defund Social Security and Medicare.

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[cstanleytech]

32. Which is what the Republicans true goal is. nt

[LaMouffette]

22. Trump knows that he is almost certainly . . .

effed, as far as his chances of getting reelected go. So he is desperately trying to hang onto support from Republican Congressmen, who are now distancing themselves from him because they, too, know Trump is effed. But Trump thinks if he destroys Social Security he can win them back. He doesn't understand that even stronger than Republicans' desire to drown Social Security in a bathtub is their overwhelming instinct for self-preservation.

There is no honor among thieves. Trump has proved this time and time again by throwing his partners in crime under the bus the minute they become a liability to him. If Trump thinks his co-conspirators in Congress will be loyal to him when they think their own chances of getting reelected are imperiled, he is so very wrong. Universal karma in action.

[calimary]

48. Welcome to DU, LaMouffette.

There indeed is no honor among thieves - especially THESE thieves!

[LaMouffette]

63. Thank you for the warm welcome, Calimary!

I'm so glad I found this forum! It helps so much to know I'm not the only one seething with anger and frustration and outrage. Even though there is a global frickin' pandemic, so many Americans are not paying that much attention to what is going on, which makes them extremely susceptible to Trump's lies. And I don't mean Fox viewers, who are actually tuned in, but to the worst possible source of information they could possibly be attuned to. I'm talking about people who have never paid attention to politics and still don't pay it any mind. They vaguely hear something (one of Trump's lies) on TV while they're flipping through the channels and the next thing you know, that lie is part of their belief system. It's crazy. November cannot get here fast enough.

[calimary]

64. We ALL feel that same way, my friend.

I've seen posts from long-timers and newer arrivals alike, who express that very thought. This place is a refuge. An oasis in the desert. Company when you feel alone or isolated or frustrated.

I often wind up quoting something that veteran DUer Skittles said about this place years ago. It's certainly been a good reminder, and a comfort, for me:

"Someone's always here."

[greenjar_01]

23. Pelosi should say "Fine." We'll pass something after January 20.

Buh-bye.

[duforsure]

24. Democrats stand your ground

Because he's hurting his supporters too. He will not win this, so I have faith in Nancy and Chuck. I think this will cause even more to vote for Biden . Once he realizes his numbers dropping even more he'll use some excuse to claim something else as crazy to redirect attention, repeat, until you forget some of them.

[lark]

25. Fuck him and his sneaky moves to destroy everything good about America!

He's determined to get this for 3 reasons -

1 - It will destroy our economy even more so he has his excuse to steal all the money from SS & Medicare
2- doesn't do anything for the working class/poor
3- this is probably #1 for him - puts $$ in his pocket

Dems need to just say no- this is what he's been consistently pushing so that means it helps him and hurts America. He's already stolen 500 billion for his re-election fund, don't give him anything else, nada, zip. He thinks he can trade reforming the Post Office so it hurts businesses like Amazon for them staying open and Dems will give him the tax cut. Fuck no. There is no trade to be made, nothing so good that it's worth killing our SS & Medicare - nothing. Anything he might say will be a total lie, like the IG he agreed to then cut the person & said he'd be in charge. This is how drumpf stole 500 billion from the American treasury for himself and won't repay one fucking dime. Don't give him another shot, please, Democrats.

[cstanleytech]

33. 4th is because it will cause millions to lose things like their homes and other assets however

meager they might be at which time the wealthy can make a killing by buying any of the stuff they want at bargain basement prices.

[gab13by13]

26. If Democrats agree to the payroll tax cuts,

I'm moving overseas.

[grumpyduck]

27. Keep digging you own hole, jackass!

[ashredux]

28. This is an evil way to kill funding for SS and Medicare

They want to kill these extremely successful programs....these people are evil.

[Hoyt]

29. Not best plan, but Obama did reduce FICA tax for awhile. So, it's not unprecedented.

It didn’t impact SS directly.

However, if economy is not boosted, you can bet at some point SS benefits will be impacted, hopefully not for those a lower levels of benefits. Not good news, but none of this is good.

[PSPS]

30. Non sequitur. Cutting the payroll tax is not "cutting taxes for businesses"

The payroll tax is paid entirely by the employee, not the business. If one works for a company via W-2 income, the payroll tax is split between the employer and employee but what the employer pays represents additional wages they would pay the employee anyway.

And, in today's 'murika, few, if any, large businesses pay any taxes anyway, so there's nothing to "cut." So any largess derived from this scheme would be under the assumption that the usual portion would be laundered back as "campaign contributions" to the GOP/trump.

[Bengus81]

54. Employers match the SS that their employee's pay,so yes they would get a tax cut........

That rate is 7.65% for 2020 for SS and Medicare. Trump cuts that FICA rate by 2-3% then yes the business would get a tax cut. Obama lowered FICA taxes for one year in 2011 during the worst economic times since Reagan. It was strictly for one year,let's see FatNixon put a time frame on it.

Trump doesn't give a shit about some peeps working making a bit more with that reduction,he cares about killing off SS and Medicare.

[thesquanderer]

56. re: "but what the employer pays represents additional wages they would pay the employee anyway"

If Trump cuts the amount the employer pays, I'd bet the employer ain't giving it to the employees.

[IronLionZion]

35. Survival of the richest

as if he gives a shit about his bloody hands. Dude and his GOP enablers just want money for corporations to boost the stock market.

[sinkingfeeling]

37. Good. You veto that and we'll remember in November.

[C Moon]

38. He's only doing for his chances of being re-elected. He doesn't care about businesses or people.

[jalan48]

40. Wall St got what it wanted at the beginning and now it's time to negotiate

on what the states and the people need. Well done!

[DeminPennswoods]

41. If no one is working, a payroll tax cut doesn't help them

Ooops, logic.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

45. Greed Over People -- the tRump Party. . . . nt

[GeorgeGist]

46. Will no one rid us of this noxious pest?

[calimary]

47. F-U-C-K-I-N-G B-A-S-T-A-R-D!!!

It reminds me that the republi-CONS always hate taxes. The first thing they try to do when they get back in power is cut taxes. Because THEY are the original, and quintessential free-stuff crowd. They want the goodies and the services but don't want to have to pay for it.

So okay, then.

No more government services for you, GOP. Maybe we should force your representatives to work for free. Don't expect your food to be safe, because we won't pay for the food inspectors and package safety certifications anymore. Don't want no gumnnt? Ya takes ya chances. No police or fire protection. Since you aren't paying any taxes, fund your own home protection then! Don't expect to call the cops if you have a prowler. Or the fire department if your house catches fire. Or if you have a heart attack, get yer own ass to the hospital. There won't be any first responders racing to your house with lights and sirens blaring to save you.

If I were running things...

[truthisfreedom]

49. Make him do it.

He’s such a fucking bully.

[JDC]

52. Bullshit. He is all Bullshit. Bluff called mofo. Show your cards.

[Bengus81]

53. Shocker....NOT. This POS gets elected and SS/Medicare/Medicaid are toast

No...him and his thugs won't just throw it in the dumpster on a given date in 2021,they'll bleed it slowly until its unsustainable and basically worthless.

The cuts will begin within 30-60 days of this FUCKERS inauguration.

[mvd]

57. Oh, what an asshole!

Never has the definition of asshole fit someone so well.

This is a stealth attack on SS. So he’d say no to extra stimulus, money for medical equipment and states, expanded health coverage and further worker protections just because of his pet issue. He only cares about himself. Why can’t everyone realize that?

[whistler162]

59. Okay.....

as long as we triple taxes on anyone earning over $250,000/year

[Nitram]

60. Really? I think Trump is trying to compete with Vlad the Impaler.

[we can do it]

62. Over ride.

[Karma13612]

65. This should be

Impeachable.

So sick of this crap.