Oklahoma woman shot while trying to remove Nazi flag

[muriel_volestrangler]

Source: BBC

A US woman has been shot while trying to remove a Nazi flag from someone's front yard in the state of Oklahoma.

Garfield County Sheriff's office said the woman had been at a party nearby when she took one of two flags being flown outside Alexander Feaster's home.

Mr Feaster, 44, then reportedly shot her in the back with a semi-automatic rifle as she ran away.

The 26-year-old woman is expected to recover from her injuries and Mr Feaster is being held in custody.

Read more: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53247757

[Freedomofspeech]

1. Only in Amerikka.

[not_the_one]

33. You left out a k.

n/t

[UCmeNdc]

2. The United States media did not cover this story?

[MuchBetterThanThis]

5. FYI, NBC did...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-woman-shot-back-while-trying-steal-man-s-nazi-n1232573

[irisblue]

8. Local paper has the story as well

Source--https://www.enidnews.com/oklahoma/news/man-with-nazi-flags-charged-in-sunday-shooting-in-hunter/article_6dd2f1d1-9a0c-5f33-a196-c2b4710c7734.html

[dalton99a]

11. +1. He shot her in the back as she was running across the street

As the woman was crossing the street, Feaster came out the front door with a rifle and fired several shots, striking the woman, according to the affidavit. Feaster went back inside his residence, and one of the witnesses moved the red pickup into the street between the two houses as a barricade.

Deputies obtained a search warrant for Feaster's residence, which was served about 7:30 a.m. Sunday, according to the affidavit. Several firearms, ammunition and a security DVR system were seized.

Woodson reviewed some of the security footage from cameras outside Feaster's residence, according to the affidavit. At 2:54 a.m. he could see the woman run up to the residence, pull the Nazi flag down and ran back across the street with it. The video also showed Feaster leave the house with a large AR platform rifle on a sling and, without warning, open fire on the woman as she was running away.

Woodson noted it appeared on the video footage Feaster fired seven to eight shots "very rapidly." Woodson wrote, "It is important to note that ... did not appear to be in any way a threat to Feaster due to her obviously running away from his residence with only a flag in her hand."

[sl8]

9. The BBC article is based in part on an NBC News interview.

Also, https://www.google.com/search?q=Garfield+Sheriff+nazi+flag+shot&client=tablet-android-lenovo-rev2&prmd=isnv&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjI9NyZ_qvqAhXJX80KHR_4C4gQ_AUoA3oECAwQAw&biw=689&bih=1102

[sop]

3. Feaster "would occasionally dress up in (a) black uniform with a red swastika armband - an outfit

reminiscent of Nazi SS uniforms." Sounds like very fine people.

[Bengus81]

17. Probably dressed up when Trump was on TV at one of his NAZI rallies..........

Gave him a big ole woodie............

[lapfog_1]

29. probably not that big

more of a mushroom headed tweezeldick like his idol Adolfonald.

[RandiFan1290]

4. It's their 'heritage'

[truthisfreedom]

6. Shot her in the back. For taking a piece of cloth.

How much time did he spend watching her and preparing? When varmints attack my house, I never have enough time to get my gun.

[gab13by13]

15. Many Trumpers who I know keep loaded guns in their houses.

and we live in a safe area. They claim they are not afraid because they have loaded guns. Some even have those strobe lights on their loaded guns to blind the mob of liberals when they invade their house.

True story.

[chia]

20. I believe it. I remember arguing once with a RW who thought it was all right to shoot someone for

trying to break into his car.

lmagine thinking it's perfectly fine to summarily execute someone for petty theft. But it's truly the mindset of some of them, usually locked into some old testament belief about divine justice and their right to administer it.

[genxlib]

7. Isn't that just the perfect synopsis of where we are as a Country right now

She is lucky to be alive after being shot 4 times with an assault rifle.

[irisblue]

13. She is indeed lucky to be alive

Last edited Wed Jul 1, 2020, 09:36 AM - Edit history (1)

Deleted comment, because I do not know for sure if my post was true.

[jaxexpat]

16. Some people, totally ignorant of the 3000' minimum between gun shops and liquor stores law.

Oh, there is no such law? But ..........

[RobinA]

37. Perfect

Person who thinks it's OK to enter someone's property and express an opinion as to his lawn ornamentation meets person who thinks it's OK to shoot someone who takes a flag off his property. 2020 in America.

[hlthe2b]

10. Obscenely illustrates what is wrong with some in this country. The positive is those who fought back

to safely rescue her.

[louzke9]

12. This jerk....

May be acquitted by a OK jury, on the grounds he was just protecting his property. Hope it costs him a pretty penny. The woman could sue him in civil court also. Whatever happens I hope he pays one way or another.

[beachbumbob]

14. its oklahoma, and never a smart move to trespass

she is lucky she is not dead

[Bengus81]

18. Not a smart move to gun people down for what they consider "trespassing"

She was outside,he was inside and zero threat to that NAZI. He should have called the police and let them charge her if he wanted to press charges.

[Thekaspervote]

28. Absolutely!!

[not_the_one]

35. It wasn't about being in danger.

It was about making a POINT.

He was paying allegiance to the presiTURD.

[Igel]

51. Yes, that's exactly what it was. n/t

[beachbumbob]

45. do you live in Oklahoma?

[Bengus81]

48. Nope..up the road a piece in Kansas

[coti]

75. Does what's morally and legally defensible change when you cross over the border into Oklahoma?

[keithbvadu2]

19. "shot her in the back" Trumpster Nazi on duty.

"shot her in the back"

Trumpster Nazi on duty.

[marie999]

21. She should not have been on his property and he should not have shot her.

She probably committed a misdemeanor and he probably committed a felony.

[oasis]

31. She was compelled to remove an abomination from public view. Many

wouldn't take the risk. I'm putting her on my list of true heroes.

[marie999]

32. Even a Nazi has freedom of speech in America.

[oasis]

34. Nazi's best keep it amongst themselves or suffer the consequences. nt

[RobinA]

38. I Disagree

I think every Nazi should have a flag flying. That way we know who they are.

[oasis]

39. Nazi symbols are an abomination. Obscenity laws should apply. nt

[Polybius]

40. You'd have to change the constitution for that

As much as I hate what the flag stands for, it should never be illegal here.

[marie999]

42. That is the hard part.

Justice Brennan "It is easy to be in favor of 1st Amendment rights when you agree with what is being said. The real test is defending the free speech rights of those whose views you detest.".

[Polybius]

43. William Brennan was never Chief Justice, but point taken

That's a great way to put it. Free speech isn't always about good speech.

[marie999]

44. You are right. I have cognitive dissonance where when I read sometimes my brain will add a word

to what I am reading. The really weird times is when it will change the subject matter from positive to negative or the reverse. Usually, when that happens, it just won't sound right and I can catch it. I will edit my post.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

99. Hate speech and immediate incitement to violence are illegal.

It could be argued that flying a Nazi flag is hate speech.

[Jedi Guy]

100. You are incorrect. Flying a Nazi flag is protected speech/expression in the US.

SCOTUS has repeatedly ruled that hate speech is protected under the First Amendment, and incitement to violence is very narrowly defined.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

102. Yes and burning the flag is protected symbolic speech.

[Jedi Guy]

104. If it's YOUR Nazi flag, sure. If it's someone else's, not so much.

Stealing and burning someone else's property and then claiming "but my free speech!" is not going to work.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

105. I forgot to put the United States flag. There are cases on that one.

[Jedi Guy]

107. Yes, it's well-established that burning the US flag is protected speech.

I'm not entirely sure how that's relevant to the discussion at hand, though.

[TristanIsolde]

81. The shoudln't

[Kaleva]

111. I'll put her on the list of those who almost won a Darwin Award.

She accomplished nothing besides getting shot in the back. The woman will be forgotten about soon.

[oasis]

113. "forgotten about soon"? It's 7/5 and this thread is still active.

[Kaleva]

114. Most here in this thread probably don't know her name.

[oasis]

115. "Kendal McVey" has a nice ring to it. Her act of bravery doesn't

have the historical significance of a Rosa Parks, but she will be remembered.

[Kaleva]

116. I'll bookmark this thread and keep and eye out for other threads...

about her for the next several months. I believe, as we have a short attention span here, that she'll be forgotten about in a month or less.

I'll make a note to message you in August about what I observe regarding her.

[oasis]

118. Who knows? "Kyndal McVey" may hitch a ride in your mind

everytime you see a nutcase sporting a swastika.

[Kaleva]

123. The Atalanta jogger and Flint Mi. security guard have already been forgotten.

[raccoon]

22. What was her ethnicity?

I’d hate to be living near this trigger happy MF.

[world wide wally]

23. Nazi flags are against the law in Germany

Just sayin'

[Aristus]

25. That's because in Germany, they put the smart people in charge.

n/t

[aeromanKC]

24. Shot in the back....Good bye gun rights AND enjoy prison Mr. Nazi!!

Draining the MAGAt swamp one Nazi at a time.

[NCjack]

26. Oklahoma, protecting the (free speech) Nazi flag. He will get a slap on his back.

[eppur_se_muova]

27. Wrong move, trying to remove a Nazi flag.

You're supposed to burn it.

[Hip2bSquare]

30. Not worth risking your life

As much as I hate the nazi and confederate flags, they are not worth risking your life to go into someone's yard to remove. Those flags are beacons of violence and ignorance. In a way it's good to know who Feaster is. He, and others like him, who proudly display those flags are filled with evil and violence and stupidity. It's good know who it is and where it lives. Thank goodness she will recover.

[SunSeeker]

36. I hope Mr. Feaster spends the rest of his miserable life in prison.

[donkeypoofed]

41. Guess she shoulda just shot that flag instead

[Jedi Guy]

46. Both of them played stupid games and won stupid prizes. N/T

[LanternWaste]

54. I used to pretend removing nazi paraphernalia was stupid too.

But dealing in absolutes and third grade was a long time ago. At least in my case.

I doubt too many would hail your sentiment that getting shot in the back is a prize, though.

[Jedi Guy]

55. When it's on someone else's property, yep, it's stupid.

Most of us learn not to touch other people's stuff in third grade or earlier, as well. Evidently this lady missed the lesson.

He was absolutely not justified in shooting her, of course, but had she kept her hands to herself we wouldn't be having this discussion. Although in your case it's less a discussion and more a sanctimonious lecture, as usual.

[TristanIsolde]

80. Nazis have no personal property rights.

[Jedi Guy]

82. Sarcasm, I love it. N/T

[TristanIsolde]

83. No sarcasm, dead serious.

[Jedi Guy]

84. Oh, okay. You're dead serious. You're also wrong. But whatevs, you do you. N/T

[TristanIsolde]

86. Which is not giving rights to fucking Nazis, you know those people who gassed six million Jews.

But I guess that is extreme in this bizaro world we live in.

[Jedi Guy]

87. They have the same rights that we do, as much as you might wish otherwise.

Ever heard of the Skokie Affair? If not, give it a look. It might prove illuminating.

In any case, someone's ideology doesn't negate their rights, however abhorrent that ideology may be. Your position is consistent with those on the right who say that captured terrorists have no rights as a result of their ideology. Not a good look, not a good look at all.

[Jedi Guy]

94. Out of morbid curiosity, I have a question. I suspect I know the answer, but I'll ask anyway.

Let us say that, instead of stealing the guy's flag and running away, she had broken into his home and shot him dead as he sat in his living room, completely unprovoked. Would you want to see her arrested, charged, tried, and convicted for murder? And if you were on the jury for the trial, would you vote to convict? For the purposes of this exercise, assume that the evidence of her guilt is incontrovertible.

[TristanIsolde]

98. Yeah , follow the law. I would not sit on that Jury though

They will kick me out once I state my opinion about Nazi rights.

[DavidDvorkin]

91. Gadzooks.

[iscooterliberally]

47. What a handsome looking orc Mr Feaster is!

He even has his wispy little Hitler mustache too.

[sakabatou]

49. Oh yeah, attempted murder is perfectly legal to justify petty larceny.

[Marcuse]

50. Feaster definitely trumped these two of a kind.

[Judi Lynn]

52. Found his ugly photo:

Alexander Feaster, left, shot Kyndal McVey, right, for stealing his swastika flag, center, from outside his home in Hunter, Oklahoma (Pictures: Garfield County Jail/NBC News/Twitter)


Neo-Nazi ‘shot woman in the back three times for stealing his swastika flag’ Comment Jimmy McCloskey
Wednesday 1 Jul 2020 7:02 pm

A Neo-Nazi shot a woman in the back three times after she tried to steal a swastika flag he flies outside his home, sheriff’s deputies say. Alexander Feaster, 44, reportedly shot Kyndal McVey, 26, with an AR-15 in Hunter, Oklahoma, on Sunday after she took the offensive World War Two-era emblem.

Sheriff’s deputies called to the scene found McVey laying in a ditch, and realized she’d been shot between three times. McVey is believed to have been attending a party at a friend’s house nearby when she decided to try and take the flag.

An arrest affidavit written by Garfield County Sheriff’s Deputy Marshall Woodson described what unfolded over surveillance camera footage, saying: ‘A white female, identified as Kyndal, run up to the residence and pull the Nazi flag down to the west side of the porch. Kyndal took the flag and ran back toward the residence…

‘I also observed a white male, identified as Alexander Feaster, exit the front door to his residence… with a large AR platform rifle on a sling and at the ready.’


Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/01/neo-nazi-shot-woman-back-three-times-stealing-swastika-flag-12931081/?ito=cbshare

Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MetroUK/

[mahatmakanejeeves]

53. If only there were some way this could have been prevented. Say....... NT

[Jedi Guy]

56. Don't be ridiculous.

If it's someone whose views we don't like it's perfectly okay to steal their stuff. They have no right to freedom of expression.

[DavidDvorkin]

57. It's depressing how common that view is on DU.

[Jedi Guy]

58. Isn't it though?

There are several people here who don't understand how the First Amendment works or why it's important. It really is disheartening.

[oasis]

59. It's "depressing" to read about people getting shot in the back. I'd

be willing to bet 99% of DUers hold that view.

[DavidDvorkin]

60. It's not either/or

One can condemn both acts.

[Jedi Guy]

62. And yet the fact remains...

Had she stayed off someone else's property and kept her hands off someone else's stuff, we wouldn't be having this discussion. He has the same right to freedom of expression that everyone else has, and she had no business going onto his property and taking his stuff. He was absolutely not justified in shooting her, and I hope he gets the chance to spend many years in a little box all by his lonesome.

[oasis]

64. I wouldn't have risked life and limb doing what she did.

Thank God for people like her who, throughout the history of America, have stood up to bullys and tyrants. Without their acts of heroism there wouldn't be a U.S. Constitution.

Btw, some of those folks were shot and killed while defying existing laws.

[Jedi Guy]

65. She stood up against freedom of expression, a founding principal of the Republic.

She's not much of a heroine, IMO. I'm sorry that she got shot, she most certainly didn't deserve that. But she very clearly decided that her opinion mattered more than someone else's freedom of expression and property rights. I have no respect for that way of thinking.

[oasis]

67. "freedom of expression? Try yelling "fire" in a crowded auditorium

and then give the cops a song and dance about the "founding principles of the Republic".

[Jedi Guy]

68. You do realize that the fire in a crowded theater thing is nonsense, right?

It was superceded by a later ruling which is the current precedent.

And anyway, how is that example at all related to this situation? Freedom of speech is not absolute, but a person certainly has the right to fly whatever flag they like on their own property. And a second person has no right to trespass on said property and steal said flag.

[oasis]

69. Prior to the 13th Amendment, abolitionists stole people's property. nt

[Jedi Guy]

71. That's nice. Unfortunately, it also has nothing to do with what we're discussing.

You're either in favor of freedom of expression or you aren't. You appear to be in the latter camp given that you would, by your statements, happily suppress the freedom of expression of those with whom you disagree. That stance is, IMO, un-American and wrong. No doubt you would, if you could, suppress my freedom of expression for having the temerity to disagree with your wrongheaded approach to freedom of expression.

[oasis]

72. If standing up against nazism is "wrong" I don't want to be right.

Have a nice day

[Jedi Guy]

73. I never said standing up against Nazi ideology was wrong, and you know it.

I did and do say that trespassing on someone else's property and taking their stuff is wrong and illegal, because it is. I also say that suppressing their freedom of expression is wrong. They have the same rights as anyone else, no matter how abhorrent you or I may find their views. Everyone has freedom of expression, not just people you like and agree with. You'll have to learn to live with it. Welcome to America.

[Behind the Aegis]

74. Congrats to you.

You took an unpopular opinion but stuck to your guns and, frankly, I agree with you. As a gay Jew (living in Oklahoma), a swastika Nazi flag is abhorrent to me, especially when displayed with pride, but it was on private property. So, again, as a gay Jew, what would people say if a person came onto my property to remove or vandalize my rainbow flag? Of course, this is the part where some will screech I am comparing the rainbow flag to the Nazi flag; I am not, so for those people, what if it was an Israeli flag (more than a few would compare it to a Nazi flag)? As long as the flag is on private property and not infringing on the rights of others (or violating other edicts, like HOA guidelines), then there is little one can do what shake their head at the disgusting views held by the owner proudly displaying the Nazi flag. This, IMO, is similar to political yard placards, and how we see people cheer those who rip down republican signs, but express rage and horror when democratic ones are vandalized or removed.

[coti]

77. Yes, you and Jedi are right. This is the very foundation of the 1st Amendment.

HOWEVER, that Nazi fuck shot someone over a piece of cloth, and IN THE BACK.

She attempted to stifle his free expression. He attempted to murder her. The two crimes aren't even comparable and he ought to go to prison for a long time.

[Behind the Aegis]

78. I can't speak for Jedi, but I never compared the two crimes.

I agree he deserves to go to prison and charges have been laid against him.

[Jedi Guy]

85. As I said upthread, he had no right to shoot her because she took his Nazi flag.

She was not a threat to him and she was fleeing, so he had no business doing anything other than contacting the police to report a petty crime.

There is no comparison between what she did and what he did, except to say that both were in the wrong. One of them was just way, way more in the wrong. I hope he spends a lot of years in a little room all by himself. He clearly can't be counted on to exist in a civilized society.

[Jedi Guy]

89. Apologies for the belated response, I didn't get or didn't see the notification for your reply.

Thanks. I figured I'd take some heat for that stance, and I was correct. It's legit disheartening how many people would happily strip rights from people whose views they abhor. I guess "I disagree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it" has gone by the boards these days. Or they legitimately don't understand how rights work. I guess it could be that, too.

And yeah, the hypocrisy is bitterly amusing at times, isn't it? Those are the folks who have adopted the idea of "freedom of speech for me, but not for thee." I've always been of the opinion that if it's wrong when they do it, it's wrong when we do it.

[JonLP24]

110. You are often in this forum telling us we're wrong

It is interesting what hills you choose to die on.

[Jedi Guy]

119. If you've got something you want to say, have the courage to come right out and say it.

If I feel people are wrong in their assessment, I'm going to say so. If that grinds your gears, well... tough rocks, pal. Feel free to use the "Ignore" feature if you don't like what I have to say.

[coti]

76. That's not at all the same thing and a dishonest argument. nt

[oasis]

79. Inciting to riot is wrong. Promotion of hate is wrong. Period.

You 're welcome to get up on your soap box and give a lecture about "free speech" but your not going to convince me otherwise.

The scumbag nazi shot the lady in the back. Hopefully we can agree that was a totally criminal reaction.

Have a wonderful evening

[Polybius]

90. My Hillary sign was stolen in 2016

It infuriated me and it was wrong. I never got to see who did it.

[oasis]

92. Was the nazi flying his flag to support a candidate for office?

The answer is "NO".

[Polybius]

93. And what if it was a sign for one of David Duke's run for office?

What if it was a sign for Trump or Steven King? If you only want to protect political signs, what if it was an Israeli flag? What if it was a "Merry Christmas" decoration? You have to either answer yes for every one or no for them.

[oasis]

95. Just mark me down as one who "won't tolerate intolerance" and

leave it at that.

Have a nice 4th of July.

[Polybius]

96. You too!

But can I ask where you draw the line? I know you think it's fine to steal a Nazi sign. So where is the line drawn? A Duke sign? A Trump sign? A Romney sign?

Not arguing at all, have a happy and safe 4th.

[oasis]

97. Most campaign signs are displayed to garner votes

for a person running for office. The views/ ideology of a candidate can be extremely left or right but the person running for office can be rejected at the ballot box.

Nazi flags are flown as symbols of hate and serve no other purpose. Nazis and KKK can keep that poisonous obscenity to themselves. Their parades and rallies are rightfully protected, but they are always met with counter protests. That's ok by me.

However, a nazi flag flying permanently in the front yard of a civilized neighborhood is as objectionable as a pile of dogshit, and must be cleared away.

[Jedi Guy]

101. Good luck with doing away with the First Amendment. Shouldn't be hard at all. N/T

[oasis]

103. Those who would rid society of evil nazi trash will continue

in their ways. Save your lecturing about the First Amendment for them.

[Jedi Guy]

106. What you're saying basically boils down to "They have no rights because I say so."

Or, more succinctly, "Nuh uh!" It's not an argument, it's just a statement of opinion over and over again. You're entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts, and the facts are against you here. I humbly suggest you learn to live with that.

[oasis]

108. "no rights"? I don't recall stating that in any of my posts.

If we're going to talk about who is entitled to what facts, try keeping your "facts" in order.

[Jedi Guy]

120. Apologies, I got you confused with TristanIsolde upthread.

Allow me to amend my post. With a tiny alteration, it still applies perfectly well.

What you're saying basically boils down to "They have no freedom of speech because I say so." Or, more succinctly, "Nuh uh!" It's not an argument, it's just a statement of opinion over and over again. You're entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts, and the facts are against you here. I humbly suggest you learn to live with that.

[Kaleva]

112. Supreme Court's 1969 decision in Brandenburg v. Ohio made it legal

"There, the Court held that inflammatory speech--and even speech advocating violence by members of the Ku Klux Klan--is protected under the First Amendment, unless the speech "is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action" (emphasis mine)."

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/its-time-to-stop-using-the-fire-in-a-crowded-theater-quote/264449/

[Kaleva]

117. It's always been legal to yell "Fire!" on your own property even if there isn't a fire.

[Polybius]

88. She broke the law by stealing something from some's property

Do you also defend those who tear down legally placed statues that they don't like?

[JonLP24]

109. Some are opposed to removing statues Democratically

Like that statue Fredrick Douglass didn't like.

[Polybius]

121. I think anyone who attempts to forcefully take down a statue in the US belongs in prison

I want nothing to do with these people.

[obamanut2012]

122. lolz

[Polybius]

124. How do you feel about the people who took down this one?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142530662

[BrightKnight]

61. My Antifa grandfathers bombed and shot people like him. nt

[Jedi Guy]

63. So did one of mine.

My maternal grandfather was a tank mechanic who lived through the Battle of the Bulge and helped liberate Mauthausen. He also believed in freedom of expression. When I was a teenager and learned of the Skokie Affair, I asked him what he thought of it. He said that while he loathed those people and everything they stood for, they had the right to express their beliefs. Them's the rules in America, like it or not.

[JI7]

66. Why didn't he just record her and then report it to the police ?

shooting her in the back over a flag ?

[muriel_volestrangler]

70. Because he's a Nazi.

There are groups that it might be unfair to paint as psychopaths, but a Nazi, especially when there's no peer pressure to be one, is pretty much a psychopath by definition.