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maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 11:54 AM Jan 2012

White House Responds To SOPA Critics, Says Administration Will Not Support Censorship

The White House has responded to two anti-SOPA petitions at the White House blog today. “While we believe that online piracy by foreign websites is a serious problem that requires a serious legislative response,” the post said, “we will not support legislation that reduces freedom of expression, increases cybersecurity risk, or undermines the dynamic, innovative global Internet.

“Any effort to combat online piracy must guard against the risk of online censorship of lawful activity and must not inhibit innovation by our dynamic businesses large and small. Across the globe, the openness of the Internet is increasingly central to innovation in business, government, and society and it must be protected. To minimize this risk, new legislation must be narrowly targeted only at sites beyond the reach of current U.S. law, cover activity clearly prohibited under existing U.S. laws, and be effectively tailored, with strong due process and focused on criminal activity. Any provision covering Internet intermediaries such as online advertising networks, payment processors, or search engines must be transparent and designed to prevent overly broad private rights of action that could encourage unjustified litigation that could discourage startup businesses and innovative firms from growing.

more:http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/01/14/white-house-responds-to-sopa-critics-says-administration-will-not-support-censorship/

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White House Responds To SOPA Critics, Says Administration Will Not Support Censorship (Original Post) maddezmom Jan 2012 OP
Um, but isn't that the entire point of SOPA? HopeHoops Jan 2012 #1
...and besides, isn't this another one of those MurrayDelph Jan 2012 #2
Well, that's the catch now, isn't it. He did simultaneously produce a signing statement... HopeHoops Jan 2012 #3
True a new administration probably would change that especially if its a republican one cstanleytech Jan 2012 #8
I still think enforcing the "you have to talk" filibuster rule would be a major step. HopeHoops Jan 2012 #15
either you have to talk AND can't go to the bathroom or yurbud Jan 2012 #19
It's sick. One Repuke says "I'm gonna fileribuster" (spelling intentional) and Reid caves. HopeHoops Jan 2012 #20
SOPA isnt really about piracy wren369 Jan 2012 #4
Remember Macrovision copy protection on VHS tapes? HopeHoops Jan 2012 #14
SOPA would effectively outlaw "fair use" meow2u3 Jan 2012 #41
Then VETO the goddamned thing if it's passed! Fuddnik Jan 2012 #5
You do realize vetos tend to fail if there was a clear majority that voted for a bill, right? cstanleytech Jan 2012 #9
You do realize the President can exert some leadership? Fuddnik Jan 2012 #21
agreed bowens43 Jan 2012 #30
Maybe secondvariety Jan 2012 #24
In contrast to FDR (a Democrat) who issued 635 vetoes, Obama-the-Centrist has issued only 2. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #17
And what party controlled both houses at the time? cstanleytech Jan 2012 #26
Excuses, excuses, excuses. Fuddnik Jan 2012 #29
No, I came up with a simple question though I cannot compel you to answer it. cstanleytech Jan 2012 #32
why have SOPA when you can have market regulation? MACARD Jan 2012 #6
...and I always felt that the use of False MP3's (Cuckoo"s eggs?) was a great idea... FredStembottom Jan 2012 #7
Sort of like a for-profit fire department? Robb Jan 2012 #13
while relating it to fire departments looks down up the idea that is the general point MACARD Jan 2012 #18
Until he "regretfully" signs it, of course. Zhade Jan 2012 #10
+1 (nt) Jon Ace Jan 2012 #11
haha...standing ovation! OKDem08 Jan 2012 #28
"only at sites beyond the reach of current U.S. law" boppers Jan 2012 #12
The WH WILL sign this bad, bad bill: blkmusclmachine Jan 2012 #16
Do not underestimate the power of the Internet lovuian Jan 2012 #22
Just grow a set secondvariety Jan 2012 #23
One word: VETO! If Obama means what he says, he WILL VETO SOPA. Dawson Leery Jan 2012 #25
Keep the anti-SOPA petitions circulating! It's our only hope. AverageJoe90 Jan 2012 #27
christ this administration... fascisthunter Jan 2012 #31
A lot of Dems support this bill ellacott Jan 2012 #33
"I don't understand why they support it." For some reason I suspect $$$ has alot to do with the why cstanleytech Jan 2012 #34
I think it has to do with $$ also ellacott Jan 2012 #35
Franken? WTF? He will never get my vote again! Odin2005 Jan 2012 #38
K&R DeSwiss Jan 2012 #36
K&R. And here's an additional article/link... Tx4obama Jan 2012 #37
K & R! lonestarnot Jan 2012 #39
Actions speak louder than words. Veto or sign. nt ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #40
 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
1. Um, but isn't that the entire point of SOPA?
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 12:45 PM
Jan 2012


On Edit: Full rip-off copies are already illegal under current laws. SOPA sort of brings "fair use" into question.

MurrayDelph

(5,294 posts)
2. ...and besides, isn't this another one of those
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 12:53 PM
Jan 2012

"MY administration won't do bad things, but we won't stop/punish those administrations that do" promises?

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
3. Well, that's the catch now, isn't it. He did simultaneously produce a signing statement...
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 01:10 PM
Jan 2012

... that said his administration had no intention of exercising the new rules, but all it takes is a change in administration to reverse that one.

cstanleytech

(26,290 posts)
8. True a new administration probably would change that especially if its a republican one
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 03:48 PM
Jan 2012

but if he stays in office and the dems can win majority control of the houses they might be able to redo it or atleast at this point thats about our only real hope for that.

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
15. I still think enforcing the "you have to talk" filibuster rule would be a major step.
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 05:40 PM
Jan 2012

I'm also for a clean bill policy - fuck sneaking in cuts for social programs into a defense spending bill. That's just fodder for ads - "OBAMA VOTED AGAINST OUR TROOPS!!!" shit.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
19. either you have to talk AND can't go to the bathroom or
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 06:56 PM
Jan 2012

Or just get rid of it altogether.

Republicans use it too much and Democrats don't seem to use it at all, at least not on the big issues.

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
20. It's sick. One Repuke says "I'm gonna fileribuster" (spelling intentional) and Reid caves.
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 07:14 PM
Jan 2012

I'm really pissed off about that, and hope they start enforcing the rules they already have, but a clean bill rule would be a far greater leap forward. Did you vote FOR or AGAINST this ONE thing? Fuck 200 page bills that nobody bothers to read. Think about the Constitution and its amendments. They're clean, to the point, concise, and while the Constitution wasn't intended to last more than about 20 years, it has survived throughout time and had the mechanism to change installed from the beginning. You can read the whole thing in less than an hour. I have, many times. I've got a copy within arm's reach right now. If the GOP really wants to "take us back", how about taking us back to clean legislation that is just as clear as the Constitution they claim to support.



wren369

(1 post)
4. SOPA isnt really about piracy
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 02:05 PM
Jan 2012

it's about controlling the market so the big media companies can force their product in your face. Every recent advance in media technology has come with the cry of piracy from those companies. Piracy is a service issue at it's heart. Someone wants your product and they cant get it from you for whatever reason; they will get it elsewhere. A good company figures out how to bridge that gap. Check out totalbiscuit's "WTF is SOPA" on youtube, he breaks it down much better than I can.

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
14. Remember Macrovision copy protection on VHS tapes?
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 05:26 PM
Jan 2012

The only tapes I have (and yes I still use them) that have deteriorated beyond use were the Macrovision-protected tapes. For example, the original Barney tapes with Sandy Duncan are so bad you can't hear anything but a buzz now and yet I've got older tapes that play just fine.

It's clearly about controlling the market, but there is a somewhat legitimate claim behind the legislation. I don't condone illegal copying, but my concern is that SOPA will lead to clamping down on fair use rights and that means a shitload of the material on YouTube and similar sites.

meow2u3

(24,761 posts)
41. SOPA would effectively outlaw "fair use"
Wed Jan 18, 2012, 12:16 AM
Jan 2012

and criminalize incidental or unintentional streaming of copyrighted material running in the background.

Despite--or because of--the standard disclaimer clause which reads, "Nothing in this law will be construed as a prior restraint....", there is no doubt SOPA is intended to censor the Internet a la China, Iran, or Syria.

Something else nefarious can happen if this piece of crap legislation is passed. Right-wing and/or corporate trolls can, and will, intrude on DU, post links and/or materials that clearly infringe on copyright, and turn around and snitch to the government, causing DU to be shut down just because the admins and/or MIRT wasn't quick enough to kick out the trolls and remove the offending post(s).

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
5. Then VETO the goddamned thing if it's passed!
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 03:01 PM
Jan 2012

No cutesey, schmaltzy signing statements. Do your constitutional duty. You guys know as well as anyone else, that signing statements have no force of law.

Somewhere, Orwell is laughing his ass off, saying, "I told you so".

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
21. You do realize the President can exert some leadership?
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 08:02 PM
Jan 2012

He can take his case to his party before the veto and the vote to override.

But, leadership and Obama are not two words you can use in the same sentence.

secondvariety

(1,245 posts)
24. Maybe
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 09:24 PM
Jan 2012

but the longer this crappy bill is in the spotlight the more information the public will get on who's responsible for it. Besides, Congress needs to actually earn their money from time to time.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
29. Excuses, excuses, excuses.
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 10:54 AM
Jan 2012

We've got a monumental failure of leadership, and the best you can come up with are more excuses?

MACARD

(105 posts)
6. why have SOPA when you can have market regulation?
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 03:08 PM
Jan 2012

I know market regulation normally raises red flags but bare with me. we should invent companies that can search for illegal copies AKA piracy. if you wish to protect your work from Plagiarism you hire one of these companies that search for Illegal Copies, and will take action on such cites (sending email warnings, banning accounts, Litigation, etc.). this way the market takes care of it, and we don't have government censorship of the internship.

FredStembottom

(2,928 posts)
7. ...and I always felt that the use of False MP3's (Cuckoo"s eggs?) was a great idea...
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 03:45 PM
Jan 2012

...not fully exploited.

Band or record co. hires company to flood the Internets with right-sized files of band's new tunes. Except they are 3;54 secs. of cow-farts. Or even better would be files that follow the wave-forms of the actual tunes enough to fool technology - but laced with some kind of horrible distortion.

The idea being that MP3 stealers get fed up searching, searching, searching for free stuff (to which they are not entitled) and finally pay the band to get the tunes dependably and accurately.

Musicians need to be paid. Small, good-guy record companies need to be paid, too.

Combined with what you post above, I would think that could be pretty effective (?).

MACARD

(105 posts)
18. while relating it to fire departments looks down up the idea that is the general point
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 06:54 PM
Jan 2012

keep in mind that most will not need it, or may not see need for It, as a student I submit work on the internet such and so forth and i really don't care if anybody takes my work and uses it.

this is a safeguard for those musicians, video producers, Universities, etc. who wish that their work is protected from more than just kids who don't know any better, 10 year olds don't know what plagiarism is , and they are willing to pay a little extra for it, and they get a greater income from more people who are going through legal channels. so its a win win for the most part, and if the employers are not satisfied they can always fire the protection company.

keep in mind this would create a whole new industry and thus more jobs.

boppers

(16,588 posts)
12. "only at sites beyond the reach of current U.S. law"
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 05:02 PM
Jan 2012

What gives the US right to police the internet?

The whole point of the thing is that it CANNOT be policed. By design.

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
16. The WH WILL sign this bad, bad bill:
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 06:03 PM
Jan 2012
All they need is the pretty speechifying, and the sad eyes when the Pres. "regretfully" signs it into law. We've been down this road a million times with the WH.

lovuian

(19,362 posts)
22. Do not underestimate the power of the Internet
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 09:09 PM
Jan 2012

SOPA is a quagmire ...I think if America does this

the World will create their own Internet and not allow us in

secondvariety

(1,245 posts)
23. Just grow a set
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 09:20 PM
Jan 2012

and veto the damn thing. Let Congress try to over-ride it. Where is it written that the President has to sign every pos bill that crosses his desk?

 

fascisthunter

(29,381 posts)
31. christ this administration...
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 11:43 AM
Jan 2012

...sucks! As if the next president is going to do the same. What a real weasel.

ellacott

(6,727 posts)
33. A lot of Dems support this bill
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 09:17 PM
Jan 2012

Al Franken, John Conyers, Sherrod Brown, Amy Klobuchar and Dick Durbin are among those that support. The President is getting a lot of criticism for releasing a statement against it but I don't see the criticicism for these dems who support it.

I don't understand why they support it.

[url]http://projects.propublica.org/sopa/[/url]

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
36. K&R
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 06:18 AM
Jan 2012


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