Trump to pardon women's suffrage leader Susan Anthony
Source: AP
President Donald Trump said Tuesday he will pardon Susan B. Anthony, a leader in the womens suffrage movement, who was arrested for voting in 1872 in violation of laws permitting only men to vote.
Anthony is best known for her role in the movement to secure voting rights for women, but she also was a strong anti-slavery and voting rights pioneer.
She was never pardoned, Trump said. What took so long? He said he would sign a full and complete pardon later Tuesday.
Trumps pardon comes 100 years after the ratification of the 19th Amendment, which ensured women the right to vote. Its also known as the Susan B. Anthony Amendment. His move also comes amid an outcry over Postal Service disruptions that Democrats say endanger the voting rights of millions of Americans who would vote by mail in November amid the pandemic. Trump has denied asking for the mail to be delayed even as he leveled fresh criticism on mail-in voting.
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C_U_L8R
(45,003 posts)soothsayer
(38,601 posts)C Moon
(12,213 posts)Javaman
(62,531 posts)"I only did the least I could do"
PJMcK
(22,037 posts)That's all I've got this morning.
Ohiogal
(32,011 posts)not fooled
(5,801 posts)the morning that Democratic women receive lots of good press for their speeches last night.
desperate donnie thinks this stunt will knock Michelle Obama from the headlines.
fleur-de-lisa
(14,627 posts)Well, that changes everything! I'm voting for the Dumpster!
Autumn
(45,109 posts)jrthin
(4,836 posts)Lithos
(26,403 posts)She violated State Laws as the State governs the Election laws, he can't pardon those. Stupid publicity stunt.
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Miguelito Loveless
(4,465 posts)since that would mean she accepted that she was guilty.
not fooled
(5,801 posts)for being an undemocratic imbecile. And a rampant misogynist.
Rebl2
(13,527 posts)unblock
(52,257 posts)this is a common misconception based on what's surely dicta from burdick v. united states.
that case simply found that accepting a pardon and producing it in court had to be a voluntary act on the part of the recipient; the government couldn't force a pardon on someone in order to deprive them of their 5th amendment right not to testify against themselves.
in susan b. anthony's case, she certainly accepted that she had broken the law, but it was an unjust law she felt ought to be broken and repealed. she might well have refused a pardon anyway, if she felt that a continued prosecution would help the cause. but in practice, once a pardon is granted, prosecution efforts tend to slow down considerably....
christx30
(6,241 posts)by DNA evidence.
A pardon says, you certainly committed the crime, but due to circumstances, were going to say its ok.
An exoneration says, we totally screwed up in convicting you for the crime. That was our bad. Youre out of prison now.
Some times a pardon would require admission of guilt, because the parties in power want you to at least feel some contrition for committing the crime.
Exoneration requires nothing of the sort, because you didnt do anything.
unblock
(52,257 posts)Certainly most pardons are for people who actually are guilty, and for them, yes, presidents and governors usually insist on an admission of guilt and a display of contrition and remorse, essentially as part of the application process.
And presidents and governors likely would not ask for that in cases where they find the law unjust, the process unfair, or the person actually innocent.
But legally, a pardon is a pardon, whatever the reason.
In any event, I think we're agreeing that Susan b. Anthony would not have to admit guilt whether she accepted Donnie's pardon or not.
Miguelito Loveless
(4,465 posts)Just my opinion.
unblock
(52,257 posts)Interestingly, the conviction likely wouldn't have held up anyway because the judge directed the jury to find her guilty(!). Years later the Supreme Court finally said trial judges can't do that.
In practice, the judge fined her but said he wouldn't jail her if she didn't pay. So she never paid.
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,786 posts)Susan B. Anthony wore Black every day as a reminder of the women who gave their lives for this country, their suffrage in not having the same rights as a man, and so much more.
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)Pathetic, transparent imbecile.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,415 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,196 posts)Wonder if any mega$$$$$ Rethug households maintain multitudes of registered voters ... could be part time residents, non-existent registrations, deceased voters from other states .... to those who think this a crass line of thought, haven't Democrats been accused of some of these things for 75 years? well who has the $$$$$ to clone IDs ... perhaps even pay multiple taxes ... anyone ever investigated such imagination? asking because now is the time when society is dissolving, to ask ... seek and ye shall find? or all nonsense. I have no idea
Paladin
(28,265 posts)I can smell your flop sweat, all the over to here in Texas.
Collimator
(1,639 posts). . . But my response was similar. I could just imagine Susan B. Anthony, in her red shaw, telling Trump to fuck his pardon.
He is so pathetic. This morning, I told my BFF about seeing him engage in some of his self-indulgent drivel in front of the cameras and thinking--Putting aside all the truly awful things that he has done, I just want him gone because I am so sick of his whiny, self-absorbed verbal garbage. I have had it. I will not endure the distaste of his presence any longer.
Paladin
(28,265 posts)Me, very much included.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)Grokenstein
(5,725 posts)...but his groveling toadies searched long hours to find the most insignificant, irrelevant, overhyped "favor" he could possibly bestow upon a white woman in order to distract the nation from his crimes against it.
JI7
(89,252 posts)underpants
(182,836 posts)Walleye
(31,028 posts)marmar
(77,084 posts)JudyM
(29,251 posts)As well as, perhaps, how he believes restricting voting squares with his honoring her.
wryter2000
(46,051 posts)Because women are stupid
stillcool
(32,626 posts)and so early in the day.
wryter2000
(46,051 posts)People laughed
George II
(67,782 posts)....and take it more as an insult than a positive act.
Doug.Goodall
(1,241 posts)Sounds more like a big distraction to me. This pathetic, lying, incompetent, unprepared, carnival barker makes a pardon 100 years after the fact. Every body can see through this sorry excuse for theater.
What is the administration trying to hide by throwing this announcement out?
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)Anthony was a smart woman and would have seen right thru Trumps attempt to co-opt the suffrage movement to his own crass ends.
Too bad she cant denounce him, and the anti-choice repug women who use her name, from the grave.
IronLionZion
(45,462 posts)along with a few others like the 13th and 14th
mahannah
(893 posts)klook
(12,157 posts)reportedly. The living see right through this carnival barker.
Bayard
(22,103 posts)Maybe this is what he meant by ballots being sent to dead people. I'm sure Benedict Arnold was his first choice.
Obviously, he thinks this will win him the suburban women vote back.
crickets
(25,981 posts)As if Susan B. Anthony really needed a pardon for anything, from anyone, least of all Needy Amin. It's an empty, condescending stunt.
packman
(16,296 posts)Her arrest and its mark on history is a milestone . Don't need the orange pustulent to try to amend it , nor lessen it.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)Ooof.
bucolic_frolic
(43,196 posts)I mean, why not pardon Jack the Ripper? Trump lacks jurisdiction, lacks historical connection, but you must admit Jack was very good at his profession, horrible people on both sides aside.
Canoe52
(2,948 posts)Over 170,000 dead, the virus still blazing its way through America, and all hes got is gimmicks to try and get re-elected. I smell Kushner all over this.
mahannah
(893 posts)Botany
(70,521 posts)How many underage girls has Trump had sex with? How many girls did Epstein and Maxwell
set him up with? (No including the Slovenian Sex Worker, Melania)
BTW Susan B. Anthony (February 15, 1820 March 13, 1906)
musette_sf
(10,202 posts)This is part of his lead-up for the amoral, depraved gestational slavery advocates featured at the RNC hate fest next week. This is a pander to the SBA List that co-opted Anthony for the forced birth movement. I hate him and them.
https://www.sba-list.org/
Maeve
(42,282 posts)Gov Cuomo should remind him that the president cannot pardon state crimes...especially in NY, which tRump may learn more personally shortly....
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Maeve
(42,282 posts)And she would spit in tRump's eye rather than take his pardon
Kali
(55,014 posts)that was the big pardon?
catrose
(5,068 posts)sdfernando
(4,935 posts)trying to pander to women with this move. Women are soooo much smarter than that orange pustule. They won't fall for this shit.
niyad
(113,370 posts)This stunt is as stupidly sexist and insulting (although not as consequential) as putting the Alaska grifter on the puke ticket.
olddad65
(599 posts)It would be a deceased woman
Sedona
(3,769 posts)"All the women are totally going to forget the grab 'em by the pussy thing now. " Stephanie Miller
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)You grow up hearing and learning about Anthony, Douglass, Abolotionists, Suffragists, etc. etc.
It's a game - and she was PROUD of her misbehaving.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)Bless his dumbass heart.
marble falls
(57,112 posts)MissMillie
(38,562 posts)...by people just like him.
This makes it kind of hard to take him seriously when rails on people voting illegally.
Lonesome Beet
(43 posts)Oh, joy. The world has been watching, praying and waiting with bated breath for this historic pardon. This will really take the wind out of the Democrat's sails. Women voters will rush en masse to the Trump camp now.
At least that's probably what he was told.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,036 posts)Solly Mack
(90,773 posts)some noise.
She did nothing wrong. She does not need a pardon for standing up to the Trumpian assholes and bullies of her time.
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IcyPeas
(21,893 posts)getting them (and us) all talking about who it can be he is going to pardon.....
and it's a nothingburger
whistler162
(11,155 posts)with interest to her descendants?