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riversedge

(70,245 posts)
Tue Aug 18, 2020, 12:25 PM Aug 2020

Guilty of nothing: Lt. Gov. Hochul says Susan B. Anthony doesn't need a pardon

Source: Rochesterfirst.com





Posted: Aug 18, 2020 / 11:19 AM EDT / Updated: Aug 18, 2020 / 12:09 PM EDT


ROCHESTER, N.Y. (WROC) ..............

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Anthony is best known for her role in the movement to secure voting rights for women. Trump said he would sign “a full and complete pardon” on Tuesday, the 100-year anniversary of the ratification of the 19th Amendment, which ensured women the right to vote. It’s also known as the Susan B. Anthony Amendment.

“I was deeply troubled to learn that Trump went ahead and treated her like a criminal,” Hochul said. “Susan B. Anthony was guilty of nothing.”


From the Susan B. Anthony House, the lieutenant governor said they are demanding the president rescind his pardon.

“She was proud of her arrest to draw attention to the cause for women’s rights, and never paid her fine. Let her Rest in Peace,” Hochul said. “I stopped a long time trying to figure out why he does what he does, but this was not to honor her. I don’t know why he did what he did but I assure you it was not with the best interest of the public at heart.”

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I agree. Trump is shameless and is using the anniversary for his political gain. AGAIN.





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Guilty of nothing: Lt. Gov. Hochul says Susan B. Anthony doesn't need a pardon (Original Post) riversedge Aug 2020 OP
A play for the suburban women's vote, I suspect rocktivity Aug 2020 #1
Wasn't Anthony convicted of violating a state or local law? kiri Aug 2020 #10
Agree. He may find that is true, especially in New York! Maeve Aug 2020 #11
She was tried in federal court, see... PoliticAverse Aug 2020 #12
From my reading she was tried in federal court but it was for a state violation. LiberalFighter Aug 2020 #19
If Republicans Want To Honor Susan B. Anthony, Then Stop Suppressing the Vote! TomCADem Aug 2020 #2
Well, that little stunt backfired on him PatSeg Aug 2020 #3
But Ivanka and Jared (IvanRed) thought it was such a clever idea underpants Aug 2020 #4
He should spend a little time trying to figure out why he does what he does. maxsolomon Aug 2020 #5
Ha, I was thinking exactly this when I was reading about the pardon. Probably pissed and rolling in LizBeth Aug 2020 #6
He was honoring himself PhylliPretzel Aug 2020 #7
Trump isn't just pandering. Collimator Aug 2020 #8
Has anyone looked to see if there's a Trump tweet making fun of the Susan B. Anthony coin? tanyev Aug 2020 #9
Yeah, but she didn't have a trump pardon Bayard Aug 2020 #13
Utterly presumptuous Mad Lib Aug 2020 #14
Jeez, he had to dig deep for this one. Dios Mio Aug 2020 #15
You could tell Trump knew she was on the dollar coin. CaptYossarian Aug 2020 #16
He's so full of it Metro135 Aug 2020 #17
Susan has something Trump will never have. gordianot Aug 2020 #18
He wanted to pardon Muhammad Ali too. Marcuse Aug 2020 #20

rocktivity

(44,577 posts)
1. A play for the suburban women's vote, I suspect
Tue Aug 18, 2020, 12:28 PM
Aug 2020

Since his signing away Obama's all-income housing policies didn't work.


rocktivity

kiri

(794 posts)
10. Wasn't Anthony convicted of violating a state or local law?
Tue Aug 18, 2020, 12:57 PM
Aug 2020

Wasn't Anthony convicted of violating a state or local law?

Hence, trumpio has no power to pardon.

It's all just posturing, like with the Bible.

LiberalFighter

(50,953 posts)
19. From my reading she was tried in federal court but it was for a state violation.
Tue Aug 18, 2020, 04:38 PM
Aug 2020

There are many discrepancies with the situation that calls into the legitimacy of the trial and judge.

TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
2. If Republicans Want To Honor Susan B. Anthony, Then Stop Suppressing the Vote!
Tue Aug 18, 2020, 12:29 PM
Aug 2020

If Trump is going to pardon Susan B. Anthony after her death, why not ask him about why he and Republicans are trying so hard to reverse and to suppress the rights that Susan B. Anthony fought for? As Susan B. Anthony, said, how can the consent of the governed be given, if the right to vote is denied?

Susan B. Anthony's words are as true today as they were a hundred years ago:

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/anthony/anthonyaddress.html

Friends and Fellow-citizens: I stand before you to-night, under indictment for the alleged crime of having voted at the last Presidential election, without having a lawful right to vote. It shall be my work this evening to prove to you that in thus voting, I not only committed no crime, but, instead, simply exercised my citizen's right, guaranteed to me and all United States citizens by the National Constitution, beyond the power of any State to deny.

Our democratic-republican government is based on the idea of the natural right of every individual member thereof to a voice and a vote in making and executing the laws. We assert the province of government to be to secure the people in the enjoyment of their unalienable rights. We throw to the winds the old dogma that governments can give rights. Before governments were organized, no one denies that each individual possessed the right to protect his own life. liberty and property. And when 100 or 1,000,000 people enter into a free government, they do not barter away their natural rights; they simply pledge themselves to protect each other in the enjoyment of them, through prescribed judicial and legislative tribunals. They agree to abandon the methods of brute force in the adjustment of their differences, and adopt those of civilization.

Nor can you find a word in any of the grand documents left us by the fathers that assumes for government the power to create or to confer rights. The Declaration of Independence, the United States Constitution, the constitutions of the several states and the organic laws of the territories, all alike propose to protect the people in the exercise of their God-given rights. Not one of them pretends to bestow rights.

"All men are created equal, and endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights. Among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."

Here is no shadow of government authority over rights, nor exclusion of any from their full and equal enjoyment. Here is pronounced the right of all men, and "consequently," as the Quaker preacher said, "of all women," to a voice in the government. And here, in this very first paragraph of the declaration, is the assertion of the natural right of all to the ballot; for, how can "the consent of the governed" be given, if the right to vote be denied. Again:

"That whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles, and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."

PatSeg

(47,512 posts)
3. Well, that little stunt backfired on him
Tue Aug 18, 2020, 12:29 PM
Aug 2020

He's just all over the place these days, vainly struggling to stay afloat.

underpants

(182,836 posts)
4. But Ivanka and Jared (IvanRed) thought it was such a clever idea
Tue Aug 18, 2020, 12:29 PM
Aug 2020

It even includes some pandering to the prolifers because Susan B was anti-abortion. Something I was completely unaware of until I was today years old. Nor did I care.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
5. He should spend a little time trying to figure out why he does what he does.
Tue Aug 18, 2020, 12:34 PM
Aug 2020

It's not complex. He has a pathological need to make everyone think and talk about him all the time, and that is how his Politics functions.

He is a gaslighting bully and we are all being abused.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
6. Ha, I was thinking exactly this when I was reading about the pardon. Probably pissed and rolling in
Tue Aug 18, 2020, 12:37 PM
Aug 2020

grave that Trump interfered with where she held strong.

Collimator

(1,639 posts)
8. Trump isn't just pandering.
Tue Aug 18, 2020, 12:42 PM
Aug 2020

He's tail-coating, as well. Trump loves to associate himself with public figures who have actually done something with their lives. Look at the way he regularly evokes Lincoln.

The fool doesn't know much in the way of history, but he can see the big, "purty" statues and think to himself, that's what I want for me; then people will know how important and powerful I am.

Mad Lib

(86 posts)
14. Utterly presumptuous
Tue Aug 18, 2020, 02:23 PM
Aug 2020

This reminds me of the Mormon practice of baptizing Jews after their death. Unwanted, unneeded, and frankly, an insult to the life actually lived.

Dios Mio

(429 posts)
15. Jeez, he had to dig deep for this one.
Tue Aug 18, 2020, 02:47 PM
Aug 2020

If he tried to honour any woman that was still breathing he would be told to screw himself.

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