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riversedge

(70,204 posts)
Thu Sep 17, 2020, 01:28 PM Sep 2020

FBI's Wray says Antifa more an ideology than a group, undercutting statements by other Trump officia

Source: nbc news




FBI's Wray says Antifa more an ideology than a group, undercutting statements by other Trump officials


Wray also told Congress the FBI has seen "very active" Russian efforts to influence the 2020 election, to "sow divisiveness" and "denigrate" Biden.

Christopher Wray testifies on Capitol Hill on Sept. 17, 2020.John McDonnell / AFP - Getty Images
Sept. 17, 2020, 11:54 AM CDT
By Julia Ainsley

WASHINGTON — FBI Director Christopher Wray said on Thursday that the bureau views Antifa as "more of an ideology than an organization," undercutting statements by President Donald Trump and others in his administration that Antifa is leading, organizing and funding acts of violence in cities across the country from a national level.

Trump, as well as Attorney General William Barr and Acting Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Mark Morgan, have all recently condemned Antifa for flying organized groups to cities across the country to incite violence. NBC News previously reported that a CBP spokesperson said there was no evidence to support Morgan's claim of organized groups boarding planes.

Wray, testifying before the House Homeland Security Committee, said the FBI has seen local organizing by Antifa. "We have seen folks who subscribe or identify with the Antifa movement, who coalesce regionally into small groups or nodes and they are certainly organized at that level."

Wray said FBI's investigations into domestic violent extremists have increased in 2020, having made more than 120 arrests and opened over 1,000 investigations..................................

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/fbi-s-wray-says-antifa-more-ideology-group-undercutting-statements-n1240317?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma






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FBI's Wray says Antifa more an ideology than a group, undercutting statements by other Trump officia (Original Post) riversedge Sep 2020 OP
Speaking truth, elleng Sep 2020 #1
I'm anti-fascist Javaman Sep 2020 #2
Since Wray is telling the truth, his days in that job are probably numbered. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2020 #3
Good soothsayer Sep 2020 #4
ah yeah. People who are against Fascism. Not that difficult. LiberalLovinLug Sep 2020 #5
Poof! Another republican labeling campaign gone up in smoke. ffr Sep 2020 #6
Wray has stuck with the FBI and kept quiet bucolic_frolic Sep 2020 #7
I'm part of a group that subscribes to anti-fascist beliefs... regnaD kciN Sep 2020 #8
I guess Wray is a little confused, according to dump Norbert Sep 2020 #9
Antifa was once known as The Allied Forces. Magoo48 Sep 2020 #10
Dan Crenshaw Accuses FBI Director of 'Downplaying' Antifa Threat By Reducing It to 'Ideology' Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2020 #11
and today Trump is dissing the Left over and over at the National Archieves riversedge Sep 2020 #12
Ah yes, the dreaded "autonomous zone" Withywindle Sep 2020 #13

Javaman

(62,521 posts)
2. I'm anti-fascist
Thu Sep 17, 2020, 01:36 PM
Sep 2020

but I'm not part of any group or "front".

I support anything and anyone that is anti-fascist.

It's kind of absurd that I have to state that in this day in age.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
5. ah yeah. People who are against Fascism. Not that difficult.
Thu Sep 17, 2020, 01:45 PM
Sep 2020

But further than that, shouldn't every damn American be against Fascism? Every person from a country that fought Fascism, and had ancestors who died doing that?

and just because a few over exuberant young people, out of hundreds, vandalize some property, does not immediately make Fascism great again. Does not make people against Fascism into a terrorist group.

I find it appalling that the so called sane News Networks, continue to use the term AntiFa and continue to not explain what they are against. Its always described as a "far left group" WTF? Its not like they are promoting Communism as some replacement. They are simply against America turning into some form of Fascist state. Is that so hard to understand?

bucolic_frolic

(43,146 posts)
7. Wray has stuck with the FBI and kept quiet
Thu Sep 17, 2020, 01:55 PM
Sep 2020

Kudos to him. And he is speaking the truth here.

Anyone who think Antifa is top-down doesn't understand grassroots mindset.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
8. I'm part of a group that subscribes to anti-fascist beliefs...
Thu Sep 17, 2020, 02:04 PM
Sep 2020

...the Emerald City Supporters, the official fan group of the MLS’ Seattle Sounders. So I guess, in the minds (?) of this administration, I’m officially “part of Antifa.”



(It’s not as strange as it might seem to see a soccer supporters’ group be explicitly anti-fascist; it’s been a common theme in Europe since the ‘80s, when far-right “skinheads” tried and failed to infiltrate and co-opt such groups. And, until COVID made it mandatory for games to be played without fans, ECS used to arrange trips for its members to attend away matches as a group to cheer on our team – so I guess that qualifies as “Antifa sending organized groups on planes to other cities...” )

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,956 posts)
11. Dan Crenshaw Accuses FBI Director of 'Downplaying' Antifa Threat By Reducing It to 'Ideology'
Thu Sep 17, 2020, 03:23 PM
Sep 2020

Representative Dan Crenshaw (R., Texas) said in a Thursday hearing that Antifa should be considered as more than a simple ideology or “movement.”

Crenshaw made his remarks after FBI director Christopher Wray told members of the House Homeland Security Committee that he would categorize Antifa as an ideology. Antifa supporters have participated in riots across the country in the wake of the killing of George Floyd.

“Earlier you confirmed Antifa does indeed exist, but you considered it more of an ideology than a group, correct?” Crenshaw asked Ray. The FBI director responded “Yes, an ideology or maybe a movement.”

Crenshaw then said, “That seems to me to be down-playing it….This is an ideology that has trained its members, makes shield wall phalanxes to attack federal officers. It formed an autonomous zone in an American city and besieged a federal courthouse in another, so it just seems to be more than an ideology.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/dan-crenshaw-accuses-fbi-director-of-downplaying-antifa-threat-by-reducing-it-to-ideology/ar-BB199vwI?li=BBnbfcQ&ocid=DELLDHP

Withywindle

(9,988 posts)
13. Ah yes, the dreaded "autonomous zone"
Thu Sep 17, 2020, 09:58 PM
Sep 2020

Where they give out free food and help people who need medical aid, and give the homeless somewhere safe to sleep. Terrible. Aren't you scared yet?

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