Texas Says It's Challenging Election Results at U.S. Supreme Court
Source: Bloomberg
Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton said hes suing Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin directly in the U.S. Supreme Court, accusing the battleground states of exploiting the coronavirus pandemic to illegally enact last-minute changes to mail-in voting rules.
Paxton, an outspoken supporter of President Donald Trump, claims the states flooded their people with unlawful ballot applications and ballots and ignored rules for how mail-in ballots were to be counted, according to a press release announcing the litigation. The allegations echo those made by Trump and his allies in dozens of lawsuits filed in the same swing states following President-elect Joe Bidens election victory.
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The motion filed by the Texas attorney general is a publicity stunt, not a serious legal pleading, Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel said in a statement. The erosion of confidence in our democratic system isnt attributable to the good people of Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia or Pennsylvania but rather to partisan officials, like Mr. Paxton, who place loyalty to a person over loyalty to their country.
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Paxton is constitutionally, legally and factually wrong about Georgia, Katie Byrd, spokeswoman for the states attorney general, Chris Carr, said in a statement.
Read more: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-08/texas-says-challenging-election-results-in-u-s-supreme-court
Good luck with that.
We'll turn Texas BLUE the next time around.
catbyte
(34,423 posts)BlueWavePsych
(2,635 posts)In new lawsuit, Texas contests election results in Georgia, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania
https://www.texastribune.org/2020/12/08/texas-ken-paxton-election-georgia/
elleng
(131,056 posts)States rarely sue eachother (imo.)
'Interested' to see Texas' complaint.
I foresee procedural difficulties.
'These flaws cumulatively preclude knowing who legitimately won the 2020 election and threaten to cloud all future elections, Texas said in a motion seeking high court approval to file the suit. . .
Paxton, who is seeking an order that would block electors from the four states from participating, requested an expedited briefing schedule requiring the defendant states to file briefs on Wednesday and oral arguments to be heard on Friday.'
Javaman
(62,532 posts)oldsoftie
(12,583 posts)apnu
(8,758 posts)Texas is seriously trying to argue a state's right to choose its own election process is illegal?
Texas thinks it is the Federal government now?
oldsoftie
(12,583 posts)And in these states, changes were made without legislative input. So they say those states illegally changed the law. Which they may have. But I just dont see the court, even THIS court, tossing out votes made in good faith. The change in the law didnt affect anyones decision on HOW they voted; they didnt give out candidate info. But the court may well rule that "This cant happen again".
All the above is just my opinion, but thats how I see it.
NutmegYankee
(16,201 posts)Even the laws modified by governors invoking the public health emergency powers are derived from the legislature and delegated by their consent.
Publicity stunt to get a pardon.
Cha
(297,503 posts)don't understand that.
TY!
oldsoftie
(12,583 posts)See above for my take. Opinion only, i'm not a lawyer or constitutional expert
Cha
(297,503 posts)oldsoftie
(12,583 posts)Cha
(297,503 posts)https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2644158
L.Pharmstrong
(152 posts)The Supreme Court does have original jurisdiction (i.e. authority to hear a case in the first instance rather than on appeal) over disputes between states pursuant to Article 3, section 2 of the Constitution and 28 USC 1251. This case wont go far. Its political grandstanding.
catbyte
(34,423 posts)That Dear Leader wasn't elected? I don't get it.
L.Pharmstrong
(152 posts)Have you?
Even without seeing a complaint, I can articulate a straight-faced argument that the votes of residents of my state (any state) were diluted when other states allowed voting that somehow failed to comply with Constitutional standards. An AG therefore would have standing under the doctrine of Parens Patriae. The argument would be crap and turn the concept of federalism on its head, but that has never stopped Republicans before notwithstanding all of their rhetoric.
My strong suspicion is that this is political grandstanding by a dirty Texas Attorney General who is being investigated by the FBI and wants a Presidential pardon. https://apnews.com/article/ken-paxton-austin-texas-crime-f8413d14842d848e69cf81bb4d2e87e2, https://www.texastribune.org/2020/10/03/texas-ken-paxton-bribery-investigation/. This will go away quickly. And Paxton will likely get his pardon unfortunately.
Paladin
(28,269 posts)He shouldn't even have a law license anymore, given all the crap he's rightfully accused of doing.
SledDriver
(2,059 posts)I would like that question to be asked.
I would also like to know why they arent suing the states Trump did win on the same grounds.
oldsoftie
(12,583 posts)BainsBane
(53,041 posts)weissmam
(905 posts)or begging Trump for a Pardon
Mr.Bill
(24,312 posts)is exactly what he's doing with this lawsuit.
weissmam
(905 posts)Happy Hoosier
(7,367 posts)No standing, and the substance is riddled with Math errors. The statistical argument is complete nonsense.
ewagner
(18,964 posts)In football when you catch the defense playing "zone" against the pass, you "flood the zone" with one too many receivers for the zone to cover.
On "Safe Harbor Day" they are flooding the supreme court with cases asking for TROs on states to keep them from locking in the certification.
This is a well-coordinated effort to pull off (another football term) a "hail Mary".
SoFlaBro
(1,934 posts)We can play prevent and run out the clock.
Initech
(100,097 posts)ArizonaLib
(1,242 posts)Good analogy!
hamsterjill
(15,223 posts)Nothing like wasting precious taxpayer dollars during a pandemic, you asshole. People are hungry and dying in Texas and this jerk pulls this stupid shit.
This idiot should have already been put in jail and he wouldnt have the standing to do this crap. Good grief! When is enough going to fucking be enough?
duforsure
(11,885 posts)Or every election could be challenged with manufactures baseless claims, and Paxton is a joke , and should have action taken against him for doing this now.
CapnSteve
(219 posts)...from a Blue state that does not vote, to a Blue state that does vote!
yaesu
(8,020 posts)needs to be RICOed, now.
bucolic_frolic
(43,249 posts)It's not Texas' business to control other states.
KS Toronado
(17,293 posts)Since they keep attempting to bypass our laws with their only reason being "he's our guy"
Miigwech
(3,741 posts)This was way back in Oct. - told her to call her Town Clerk to find out which one to use and only to send in one vote.
LiberalArkie
(15,727 posts)Poor person send in all of them and goes to jail. Company gets paid for sending 3 and gets paid for the postage from the state also. Good racket.
Miigwech
(3,741 posts)Warpy
(111,319 posts)He has absolutely no legal standing to sue any other state over their election results.
Turbineguy
(37,361 posts)I guess they should only let trump supporters vote.
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)So Trump does the things no one else would try.
Cha
(297,503 posts)has paid one big price for the last 4 years of Terrorizing America. whether that fucker has gotten it through his orange head or not.
dustyscamp
(2,224 posts)UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)to trying to put a fix in.
benld74
(9,909 posts)For SEC charges related to investments.
This is nothing more than a pardon request from the orange one
onetexan
(13,056 posts)taken office.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,347 posts)Link to tweet
It looks like we have a new leader in the craziest lawsuit filed to purportedly challenge the election category:
The State of Texas is suing Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, and Wisconsin *directly* in #SCOTUS.
(Spoiler alert: The Court is *never* going to hear this one.)
Steve Vladeck, University of Texas law professor.
Scruffy1
(3,256 posts)He's been long indicted on state charges, but the feds are on him now. Poor slob, he is just likely to piss more judges off and once the Thing leaves for Florida he won't be back to help his accomplices get off because he knows he is finished anyhow. Even if Paxton slithers away without jail time, he's done in the law business and as a politician. The R's know he's hurting their brand and want him gone ASAP. I kind of hope he refuses to resign. He is a good reason to vote Democratic.
relayerbob
(6,550 posts)Trump is now a liability to them, a boat anchor to their careers. Since they have shown themselves to be self-serving in the first place, their own best self-interest is to get Trump out of the way. Unless Trump has dirt on them (cough kavanaugh cough), even they have no reason to support this ridiculous lawsuit.
yaesu
(8,020 posts)DallasNE
(7,403 posts)Plus, the proper time for a lawsuit of this nature is before the election takes place, not after the election has been certified. And why didn't he include Arizona and Nevada in with this farce.
DENVERPOPS
(8,844 posts)is being created to allow them time to do something in the shadows............
What the hell could be coming????????????
ResistantAmerican17
(3,810 posts)Ken Paxton is a gold medal turd. Fluffing for pardons!!!!!
Marthe48
(17,005 posts)They have people believing Covid-19 is a hoax and turn around to sue because people took it seriously?
I'm on the roster for jur duty for 2021, and you can bet your socks that if I didn't vote in person because of Covid-19, I am not appearing in a courtroom in a county that voted for impeached traitor.
mdbl
(4,973 posts)the hits just keep on comin'
dem in texas
(2,674 posts)He has a string of charges filed against him in Collin County for getting kickbacks for advising his clients to invest in certain stocks. These charges are about ten years old, don't know how they have kept them from going to court, but they have.
Collin county used to be the main seat of the Tea Party in Texas, but now there is some blue creeping up from Dallas County. Paxton will probably be saved from prosecution by the "Good Ole Boy" network. Hope Paxton at least loses his license to practice law.
Initech
(100,097 posts)Grimelle
(219 posts)All Ken Paxton wants is a pardon from Trump.
58Sunliner
(4,390 posts)hoping for political capital. What a guy.
Mr.Bill
(24,312 posts)If they held the election over again tomorrow, Biden would win by ten million votes.
Bayard
(22,123 posts)Without winding through the lower courts first.
Lawyers out there?
tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,322 posts)True Blue American
(17,988 posts)I read Juanita Jean, too!
rocktivity
(44,577 posts)Last edited Tue Nov 9, 2021, 10:25 PM - Edit history (1)
even if he did have any sort of jurisdiction?
Link to tweet
Ken Paxton, the TX AG that filed suit against GA, MI, PA, and WI has been indicted on felony securities fraud charges and is CURRENTLY under FBI investigation for abuse of political power.
This is not a lawsuit. This is a request for a pardon.
Mystery solved. Case closed, and cue the guy with the Dragnet hammer...
rocktivity
cab67
(2,998 posts)Seriously - he's too ignorant to be a lawyer.
Marcuse
(7,504 posts)Let alone this Texas asshat.
ancianita
(36,130 posts)Federal statutes and rules of court penalizing frivolous litigation. In the United States Tax Court, frivolous arguments may result in a penalty of up to $25,000 under 26 U.S.C. § 6673(a)(1). ... Monetary civil penalties for violation of this rule may in some cases be imposed on the litigant or the attorney under Rule 11.
Beyond frivolous, it could be abuse of process, the improper use of the legal process after process has already been issued and a suit has commenced. In abuse of process, the legal process is misused for some purpose which is considered improper under the law.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,347 posts)I may need to take back what I said about Rep. Kellys PA suit being the dumbest case Ive ever seen filed on an emergency basis at the Supreme Court.
This new one from the indicted Texas AG Ken Paxton (but missing the name of Texass Solicitor General, who surely would not sign this garbage) probably should win that prize.
...
My view in brief: this is a press release masquerading as a lawsuit. Texas doesnt have standing to raise these claims as it has no say over how other states choose electors; it could raise these issues in other cases and does not need to go straight to the Supreme Court; it waited too late to sue; the remedy Texas suggests of disenfranchising tens of millions of voters after the fact is unconstitutional; theres no reason to believe the voting conducted in any of the states was done unconstitutionally; itt too late for the Supreme Court to grant a remedy even if the claims were meritorious (they are not).
What utter garbage. Dangerous garbage, but garbage.
https://electionlawblog.org/?p=119395
Cha
(297,503 posts)see more on what will happen with the Texas lawsuit @ SC.
malthaussen
(17,215 posts)These lawsuits are certainly fanciful.
-- Mal
tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)With a stacked court, should we be concerned?
MySideOfTown
(225 posts)appeal to the Supreme Court to overturn Texas and Florida elections?
Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,584 posts)You know, frivolous lawsuit or something?