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sabra

(30,404 posts)
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 11:51 AM Dec 2020

Trump Signs Order Mandating 'Beautiful' New Federal Architecture

Source: Bloomberg

President Donald Trump signed an executive order on Monday making classical architecture the preferred style for federal buildings in Washington, a White House official said Monday.

The presidential action stops short of mandating that all new federal buildings are built in a classical style, saying merely that they must be “beautiful.”

Under the order, a “Council for Improving Federal Civic Architecture” will be formed to recommenced updates to the General Services Administration’s architectural guidelines.

The administration has been writing the executive order for months, and an early draft that would have banned modernist design prompted condemnation from the American Institute of Architects and the National Trust for Historic Preservation.


Read more: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-21/trump-signs-order-mandating-beautiful-new-federal-architecture



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Trump Signs Order Mandating 'Beautiful' New Federal Architecture (Original Post) sabra Dec 2020 OP
He really thinks we will pay attention to this crap??!!?? secondwind Dec 2020 #1
Too bad Albert Speer isn't with us The Blue Flower Dec 2020 #2
... trusty elf Dec 2020 #8
Trump looks like an example of H. habilis with the smaller brain size. C Moon Dec 2020 #35
Your statement is insulting to our ancestors... AZ8theist Dec 2020 #49
:D LOVE IT!!! C Moon Dec 2020 #62
You win the thread! n/t Hiawatha Pete Dec 2020 #53
Yup! Hitler was looking at models of his "New Berlin" w/Speer as the Soviet Army was closing .... Botany Dec 2020 #9
Indeed, Creepy AF LymphocyteLover Dec 2020 #11
When tRump's casinos were failing he spent hours & hours selecting drapery material & carpet Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2020 #31
Hooo boy That's really overly heavy handed electric_blue68 Dec 2020 #60
Does this mean Lefta Dissenter Dec 2020 #3
Dr. Jill Biden already said that is one of the 1st things she will do, restore it to what Jackeline Escurumbele Dec 2020 #37
I hadn't heard that! Lefta Dissenter Dec 2020 #42
Citation please... AZ8theist Dec 2020 #50
questions d_r Dec 2020 #4
No Gold-plated Gargoyles? The Roux Comes First Dec 2020 #5
He evidently did not read Turbineguy Dec 2020 #6
Could've just left your message as the subject line alone ... mr_lebowski Dec 2020 #14
So all the buildings... orwell Dec 2020 #7
This is an executive order, in 29 1/2 days it is meaningless.... IowaGuy Dec 2020 #10
Yup, the more he wastes time with these things & Sydney Powell, the less trouble he makes. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2020 #32
Yes PatSeg Dec 2020 #40
Not worth the paper it's scribbled on .... jb5150 Dec 2020 #12
Seriously, the man has the vocabulary of a 2nd grader. Initech Dec 2020 #13
Nazi. /nt yardwork Dec 2020 #15
Kick and recommend for visibility. He is really following Hitler bronxiteforever Dec 2020 #16
Here's a link: mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2020 #17
tRump thinks he is building a legacy to match Washington & Jefferson. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2020 #33
Good lord he must be desperate to sign something. Vinca Dec 2020 #18
His idea of beautiful is fake gold and bordello red. No thanks. appleannie1 Dec 2020 #19
I once read the Sultan of Brunei 3825-87867 Dec 2020 #20
I guess Trump was unhappy with these in D.C.... FailureToCommunicate Dec 2020 #21
Heh... electric_blue68 Dec 2020 #58
You are welcome! It IS amazing. Save up your $$ and come again. Remember, all the FailureToCommunicate Dec 2020 #59
It sure was cold! Remember the cheer after... electric_blue68 Dec 2020 #61
Well, thank goodness all of this countries problems are dealt with, giving him time for useless crap cos dem Dec 2020 #22
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder Bayard Dec 2020 #23
Sudden concern for posterity might be a hopeful sign bucolic_frolic Dec 2020 #24
Geez, that is just so fucking important! ananda Dec 2020 #25
Says the Developer who fought every government housing regulation bucolic_frolic Dec 2020 #26
There has been an effort to embrace good design for Federal Projects for decades. maxsolomon Dec 2020 #27
What does Mr. Gold Toilet know about beautiful architecture? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2020 #28
How to tear it down. NT mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2020 #34
Wouldn't that run up the cost of the building? jmowreader Dec 2020 #29
Who cares what he thinks...in 706 hours he's OUT. nt iluvtennis Dec 2020 #30
Just sayin'... Totally Tunsie Dec 2020 #36
Marie Antrumpinette. jeffreyi Dec 2020 #38
In the words of bugs bunny, what a maroon, what a nincowpoop Escurumbele Dec 2020 #39
This might apply to federal prisons where he's locked up. nt IronLionZion Dec 2020 #41
Others beat me to it. matt819 Dec 2020 #43
His idea of beautiful makes me shudder. TNNurse Dec 2020 #44
Fake Greek and Roman zrchitecture is not suitable for office buildings Warpy Dec 2020 #45
Albert Speer - Just another dog whistle. n/t BrightKnight Dec 2020 #46
Nazi to the core... LudwigPastorius Dec 2020 #47
This order is the least worst of his bad orders, but where are we gonna get the money for this?? LeftInTX Dec 2020 #48
For A Change, I Agree With Him COL Mustard Dec 2020 #51
Oh you tasteless fool abakan Dec 2020 #52
Gaudy, gold-plated, with Corinthian columns. truthisfreedom Dec 2020 #54
OMG when I first saw the headline I was SURE it was The Onion. Withywindle Dec 2020 #55
Why now? Brainfodder Dec 2020 #56
I nearly spit out my drink! The king of crass mandating beauty and class???? niyad Dec 2020 #57
This from a man who destroys art.... pfitz59 Dec 2020 #63

Botany

(70,539 posts)
9. Yup! Hitler was looking at models of his "New Berlin" w/Speer as the Soviet Army was closing ....
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 12:12 PM
Dec 2020

.... in on his bunker. Trump has under 1 month to go in office and he is signing papers about
"future architecture" on government buildings? The fucker is nutz!


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Bernardo de La Paz

(49,020 posts)
31. When tRump's casinos were failing he spent hours & hours selecting drapery material & carpet
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 02:44 PM
Dec 2020

It's a kind of comfort zone for people in stress; look to a fantasy future to temporarily forget the present.

electric_blue68

(14,923 posts)
60. Hooo boy That's really overly heavy handed
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 10:13 PM
Dec 2020

architecture! Rather scarey!

Well, Nazism IS violently heavy handed 😥😥

so the architecture is consistent then! 😦

Escurumbele

(3,401 posts)
37. Dr. Jill Biden already said that is one of the 1st things she will do, restore it to what Jackeline
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 03:15 PM
Dec 2020

Kennedy did. The all-white-supremacist symbol will disappear.

d_r

(6,907 posts)
4. questions
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 11:57 AM
Dec 2020
Under the order, a “Council for Improving Federal Civic Architecture” will be formed to recommenced updates to the General Services Administration’s architectural guidelines.


1. which of his friends are going to be on this?
2. how much will they be paid?
3. what kind of kickbacks are they going to get from construction firms?

classic mafia bullshit right here

The Roux Comes First

(1,300 posts)
5. No Gold-plated Gargoyles?
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 11:58 AM
Dec 2020

This is like having the menu at the Four Seasons planned by a fop who can't get beyond Buffalo Wings with Tater Tot casserole.

Mind you, those are both excellent fare in the proper time and place!

orwell

(7,775 posts)
7. So all the buildings...
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 12:00 PM
Dec 2020

...have to have a large gold TRUMP sign on them?

Do they have to have gold toilets that "powerfully flush" as well?

IowaGuy

(778 posts)
10. This is an executive order, in 29 1/2 days it is meaningless....
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 12:15 PM
Dec 2020

I think somebody just put this in front of him to distract him and give him something relatively harmless to do for a few minutes so he could feel important.

PatSeg

(47,547 posts)
40. Yes
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 03:22 PM
Dec 2020

And apparently he still thinks he is King of the United States. Meanwhile, hopefully it keeps him from doing something more disastrous. I wish he'd just go to Mar-a-lago and play golf until January 20th. He'd be happier and the rest of us could relax a bit for the holidays.

Initech

(100,090 posts)
13. Seriously, the man has the vocabulary of a 2nd grader.
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 12:28 PM
Dec 2020

And even then I've seen 2nd graders who know more words than he does.

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
16. Kick and recommend for visibility. He is really following Hitler
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 12:46 PM
Dec 2020

Like others have said on this post. I guess he wants to ban “degenerate” modern art just like the Nazis did to “modern” painters.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,545 posts)
17. Here's a link:
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 12:49 PM
Dec 2020
Executive Order on Promoting Beautiful Federal Civic Architecture; December 21, 2020

It's Albert Speer or nothing.

EXECUTIVE ORDERS

Executive Order on Promoting Beautiful Federal Civic Architecture

Issued on: December 21, 2020

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered as follows:

Section 1. Purpose. Societies have long recognized the importance of beautiful public architecture. Ancient Greek and Roman public buildings were designed to be sturdy and useful, and also to beautify public spaces and inspire civic pride. Throughout the Middle Ages and the Renaissance, public architecture continued to serve these purposes. The 1309 constitution of the City of Siena required that “[w]hoever rules the City must have the beauty of the City as his foremost preoccupation . . . because it must provide pride, honor, wealth, and growth to the Sienese citizens, as well as pleasure and happiness to visitors from abroad.” Three centuries later, the great British Architect Sir Christopher Wren declared that “public buildings [are] the ornament of a country. [Architecture] establishes a Nation, draws people and commerce, makes the people love their native country . . . Architecture aims at eternity[]”

Notable Founding Fathers agreed with these assessments and attached great importance to Federal civic architecture. They wanted America’s public buildings to inspire the American people and encourage civic virtue. President George Washington and Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson consciously modeled the most important buildings in Washington, D.C., on the classical architecture of ancient Athens and Rome. They sought to use classical architecture to visually connect our contemporary Republic with the antecedents of democracy in classical antiquity, reminding citizens not only of their rights but also their responsibilities in maintaining and perpetuating its institutions.

Washington and Jefferson personally oversaw the competitions to design the Capitol Building and the White House. Under the direction and following the vision of these two founders, Pierre Charles L’Enfant designed the Nation’s capital as a classical city. The promise of his design for the city was fulfilled by the 1902 McMillan Plan, which created the National Mall and the Monumental Core as we know them.

{snip}

DONALD J. TRUMP

THE WHITE HOUSE,
December 18, 2020.

Vinca

(50,299 posts)
18. Good lord he must be desperate to sign something.
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 12:54 PM
Dec 2020

Have they tried coloring books to keep him busy?

3825-87867

(853 posts)
20. I once read the Sultan of Brunei
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 12:57 PM
Dec 2020

never used a bidet or other "device" or ever had to use his own hand for "that" type of cleanliness, as he was at that time, supposedly the richest man in the world. He had certain aides to do it for him.

Not sure who will replace "Rump's Right-Hand Man", Mike, once Pence is no longer VP (Vestigial Proprium).

FailureToCommunicate

(14,018 posts)
21. I guess Trump was unhappy with these in D.C....
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 01:12 PM
Dec 2020

Last edited Mon Dec 21, 2020, 03:11 PM - Edit history (1)

(National Museum of the American Indian)



(National Museum of African American History and Culture)

electric_blue68

(14,923 posts)
58. Heh...
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 05:42 PM
Dec 2020

The NM of the American Indian is lovely.
I saw it when my sis treated me so we could go together to see Obama's Inauguration, and then visit museums.
The ? kiva style gathering area is quite wonderful

I haven't thought to try and save up for another trip to DC (I've paid my way many times in the past), with so many things I've needed, wanted (art & craft supplies) ..

So I haven't gotten back there since they built the NM of African American History, and Culture. : (

I've read about it, seen photos (such a striking design!) -

but this photo is the first time I've seen it at night.💖
Wow, thank you!

FailureToCommunicate

(14,018 posts)
59. You are welcome! It IS amazing. Save up your $$ and come again. Remember, all the
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 09:53 PM
Dec 2020

museums -well, most of them- are free.

We were also there for Obama's inaugural. What an amazing jubilant event! And also freaking cold! It took me hours to get feeling back in my hands and feet!


electric_blue68

(14,923 posts)
61. It sure was cold! Remember the cheer after...
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 10:41 PM
Dec 2020

the SCJ said (I think) "Congratulations, Mr. President.

.Sooo Wonderful!

For the first one we didn't make it one to the National Mall we were near the Carousel.
Second time we did.

I have a done a rare there, visit, and back in one swoop with out staying over (usually I stay over one night).
But to get there faster, instead of the bus, or even the regular train - I'd have to save for the more expensive
Acela. Ah, but yeah, I could just take it down.
I think we took the Acela down for the 2nd Inauguration.

I guess I'll try to sock $ some away bit by bit.

I love the National Mall, and I'm SO glad I've seen, and strolled it a bunch of times before any of the safety barriers were put up after the scary incidents during the Clinton years!

Bayard

(22,119 posts)
23. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 01:26 PM
Dec 2020

And he does this while thousands die, starve, and get evicted. Talk about Nero fiddling!

bucolic_frolic

(43,236 posts)
24. Sudden concern for posterity might be a hopeful sign
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 01:26 PM
Dec 2020

Even dementia patients can get imminent premonitions

bucolic_frolic

(43,236 posts)
26. Says the Developer who fought every government housing regulation
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 01:38 PM
Dec 2020

The man is demented beyond recognition

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
27. There has been an effort to embrace good design for Federal Projects for decades.
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 01:58 PM
Dec 2020

I'd agree that, for things like a Tennis Pavilion at the White House, Federal Style is appropriate - its an addition to a Federal-Style building.

But everywhere across America, there's been great work being done on Federal buildings by conscientious, talented designers. And as much as most Architects (including me) love Brutalism, no one's proposing a Boston City Hall again.

This is just more pique from a FUCKING LOSER.

jmowreader

(50,561 posts)
29. Wouldn't that run up the cost of the building?
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 02:09 PM
Dec 2020

As one of the 350 million Americans who has to help pay for these buildings, I would prefer to have my money spent on things like TEMPEST-shielded computer cabling and high-efficiency HVAC to make the people who will work in these buildings more secure and energy efficient, than on putting a useless cupola on the roof to please a maniac.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
43. Others beat me to it.
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 03:49 PM
Dec 2020

Adolf Hitler

Albert Speer

From Wikipedia: Architectural style was used by the Nazis to deliver and enforce their ideology. Formal elements like flat roofs, horizontal extension, uniformity, and the lack of decor created "an impression of simplicity, uniformity, monumentality, solidity and eternity," which is how the Nazi Party wanted to appear.

Just sayin'.

Warpy

(111,305 posts)
45. Fake Greek and Roman zrchitecture is not suitable for office buildings
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 04:14 PM
Dec 2020

so this is another grandiose EO that will be shitcanned in a month.

At least they're distracting the baby for now.

LeftInTX

(25,461 posts)
48. This order is the least worst of his bad orders, but where are we gonna get the money for this??
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 04:28 PM
Dec 2020

And doesn't the right wing HATE historical preservation and building codes?

I'm personally not a fan of modernistic style, but there are lots of non-descript boring federal buildings that look fine. As long as they fill the purpose.

COL Mustard

(5,913 posts)
51. For A Change, I Agree With Him
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 04:48 PM
Dec 2020

Most of the Federal buildings I've worked in are 1960s brutalist architecture, with no style at all. We used to do nice buildings, even the Post Offices. We showed people the grandeur and majesty of the country with the older styles of architecture.

Withywindle

(9,988 posts)
55. OMG when I first saw the headline I was SURE it was The Onion.
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 05:34 PM
Dec 2020

Didn't Hitler also have some strong opinions about architecture?

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