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demmiblue

(37,608 posts)
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 04:17 PM Jan 2021

Trump Is Said to Have Discussed Pardoning Himself

Source: NYT

President Trump has suggested to aides he wants to pardon himself in the final days of his presidency, according to two people with knowledge of the discussions, a move that would mark one of the most extraordinary and untested uses of presidential power in American history.

In several conversations since Election Day, Mr. Trump has told advisers that he is considering giving himself a pardon and, in other instances, asked whether he should and what the impact would be on him legally and politically, according to the two people. It was not clear whether he has broached the topic since he incited his supporters on Wednesday to storm the Capitol in a mob attack.

Mr. Trump has shown signs that his level of interest in pardoning himself goes beyond idle musings. He has long maintained he has the power to pardon himself and his polling of aides’ views is typically a sign that he is preparing to follow through on his aims. He has also become increasingly convinced that his perceived enemies will use the levers of law enforcement to target him after he leaves office.

No president has pardoned himself, so the legitimacy of prospective self-clemency has never been tested in the justice system and legal scholars are divided about whether the courts would recognize it. But they agree a presidential self-pardon could create a dangerous new precedent for presidents to unilaterally declare they are above the law and to insulate themselves from being held accountable for any crimes they committed in office.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/us/politics/trump-self-pardon.html




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Moostache

(10,033 posts)
1. So, Court Jester Donnie thinks he is King Donald, above the law?
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 04:20 PM
Jan 2021

Fuck you 2 scoops...you hear the sound?
That's us coming for you shit heel.

You're going inside next year, and you're gonna do some hard time, you whiny little bitch.
Hopefully you die in prison...or go ahead and end your misery now, because no one likes you, AND YOU ARE A LOSER!!!!

Lonestarblue

(11,226 posts)
5. Given yesterday's debacle, Trump probably does not trust Pence to give him a pardon.
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 04:43 PM
Jan 2021

If he does pardon himself, that is one case that needs to go to the Supreme Court ASAP. Even with the Republican Court we have now, I cannot believe that they would open the door to unlimited crimes by a president who can just pardon himself for all of them. Essentially, he could murder any Democratic Speaker of the House, for example, and then immediately pardon himself.

 

rdking647

(5,113 posts)
6. if he even attempts this congress should revoke his secret service protection
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 05:20 PM
Jan 2021

let him and his family spend their lives looking over their shoulder

quakerboy

(14,048 posts)
11. He will
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 09:27 PM
Jan 2021

Im guessing he will do it. what does he have to lose?

And our federal electeds, will accept it in the name of moving on.

Thats what I see coming. I hope i am wrong.

Kablooie

(18,705 posts)
13. He can now be charged with inciting insurrection ...
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 01:58 PM
Jan 2021

which is a lot easier to convict than all the other crimes he has committed.
20 years in prison and banned from ever holding US public office again.

Though if he succeeded in protecting himself from this any president could incite more insurrection any time they wanted to.

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