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jmbar2

(4,890 posts)
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 11:04 PM Jan 2021

Oregon Trader Joe's manager calmly intercepts anti-mask protesters' shopping attempt: 'That's not go

Source: Oregonlive.com

Trader Joe’s nationwide policy requires customers to wear masks in stores.

“We’re not demonstrating, we’re buying groceries,” a protester says. “That’s why I’m here.”

The manager says he is enforcing the store’s mask mandate.

“It’s not a law. You cannot enforce non-law,” a protester says. “You cannot deny somebody the right to commerce.”

The store manager appears to offer to shop for the protesters and bring out what they want. Amid growing shouting, a woman says: “I need to buy groceries. I don’t know what I want until I go in and see it. The Civil Rights Act protects me to go in and shop like everybody else.”

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CJ81wxmng90/?utm_source=ig_embed


Read more: https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2021/01/oregon-trader-joes-manager-calmly-intercepts-anti-mask-protesters-shopping-attempt-thats-not-going-to-happen.html



The nation is suffering from a pandemic of convoluted rightwing "rights" argle bargle. The young manager deserves a medal for his calm and patient handling of the situation.

The antimaskers are taking their stand in one of the hotspots in Oregon for the 'rona. The mutant variant has found its way here.

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Oregon Trader Joe's manager calmly intercepts anti-mask protesters' shopping attempt: 'That's not go (Original Post) jmbar2 Jan 2021 OP
Private business has every right to deny entrance to their stores to anyone! Thekaspervote Jan 2021 #1
Unless they are sabbat hunter Jan 2021 #2
THIS TigressDem Jan 2021 #25
Or on the basis of disability. thucythucy Jan 2021 #57
No shoes, no shirt, no mask, no service! Dustlawyer Jan 2021 #14
No brains, no brisket nt TigressDem Jan 2021 #26
It's pretty obvious that they are all reading from a script Siwsan Jan 2021 #3
just like the anti 'obamacare' bullshit - a bunch of rw radio talking points that the left never certainot Jan 2021 #46
Seems menacing and harassment laws might apply torius Jan 2021 #4
The only was assholes like this learn is by permanent lifetime ban w/tresspass order to their stores TheBlackAdder Jan 2021 #47
Perhaps OldBaldy1701E Jan 2021 #55
"right to commerce"? "Civil Rights act"? Lol, idiots uppityperson Jan 2021 #5
I think they believe that PatSeg Jan 2021 #10
genuine frontier gibberish Claire Oh Nette Jan 2021 #27
Yes and only really stupid people PatSeg Jan 2021 #56
Blocking the entrance to a store is probably a Phoenix61 Jan 2021 #6
I thought that too left-of-center2012 Jan 2021 #22
the selfishnes barbtries Jan 2021 #7
SELECTIVE MEMORY? Jimvanhise Jan 2021 #8
I noticed than those signs NEVER mention 'no pants'. SeattleVet Jan 2021 #38
Who gets stuck with all the bad luck? d_r Jan 2021 #41
Tell them to imagine the merchant is a Christian bakery Lasher Jan 2021 #9
Exactly what Rebl2 Jan 2021 #21
Pandemic STUPIDITY! Enterstageleft Jan 2021 #11
Almost as annoying as this one lunasun Jan 2021 #12
Okay. I'll not comment on her choice of clothing. left-of-center2012 Jan 2021 #24
She is a weirdo and her racist past comments are no surprise lunasun Jan 2021 #29
Giuliani to the defense StClone Jan 2021 #13
Half of America is broken. JohnnyRingo Jan 2021 #15
How was this eventually resolved? Orange Buffoon Jan 2021 #16
So glad the Trader Joe's manager/staff held their line. There is a pandemic on-going, and iluvtennis Jan 2021 #17
I wonder how this ended. Mr.Bill Jan 2021 #18
In Oregon everyone is required to wear a mask indoors sillywabbit Jan 2021 #19
Hi welcome! Very true marlakay Jan 2021 #61
Thanks for the welcome, marlakay. I live sillywabbit Jan 2021 #63
More wear in Medford than I thought marlakay Jan 2021 #70
Don't give me this "misunderstood working class Trump voters" bullshit. liberalmuse Jan 2021 #20
Our Kroger owned grocery enforces the mask rule. DURHAM D Jan 2021 #23
Good Lord Almighty notinkansas Jan 2021 #28
I swear I don't know why America doesn't already have security gates everywhere. Grokenstein Jan 2021 #30
So seta1950 Jan 2021 #31
Ma'am, I'm going to spray you with this Lysol product to protect myself. keithbvadu2 Jan 2021 #32
They just do not freaking grasp the idea that private businesses/entities different rules. n/t Akoto Jan 2021 #33
Rules for thee, but not for me... Claire Oh Nette Jan 2021 #34
Give those guys big raises.. mountain grammy Jan 2021 #35
NO SHOES, NO SHIRT, NO MASK, NO SERVICE. People have been abiding by a business's rules Karadeniz Jan 2021 #36
Maskholes just regurgitate the RE BS that they hear in the talking points BigmanPigman Jan 2021 #37
Why even speak to them? State the policy and tell kacekwl Jan 2021 #39
Wanna know what COVID is like? BobTheSubgenius Jan 2021 #40
OMFMFG!! It's a plague of stupidity. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2021 #42
Trader Joes can allow only members to shop. The price of membership is a mask. dreamland Jan 2021 #43
I thought I'd stick around for the whole thing- I tried, I tried, but I just couldn't listen to her. NBachers Jan 2021 #44
Poor guy trying to reason with the unreasonable. I gave up attempting to do that awhile ago Sapient Donkey Jan 2021 #45
My son works at xxqqqzme Jan 2021 #48
That's great the store is so adamant about protecting the staff as well as the public. onetexan Jan 2021 #49
The manager made a crucial mistake DonaldsRump Jan 2021 #50
i would have called the cops about 2 minutes in bedazzled Jan 2021 #58
Your correct its not really about rights hydrolastic Jan 2021 #59
Where are these people getting this info on "rights"? MissMillie Jan 2021 #51
Tell it to the religious cake bakers. Traildogbob Jan 2021 #52
From the same people who think its alright to not serve gays in bakeries: all they want is a cake. marble falls Jan 2021 #53
This message was self-deleted by its author marble falls Jan 2021 #54
Ignorant, entitled, morons. Nitram Jan 2021 #60
"this virus is pinned on everyone whether you have it or not. " LiberalLovinLug Jan 2021 #62
These are facebookers going into stores to instigate Chakaconcarne Jan 2021 #64
There should be a site publicizing them, like the insurrectionists jmbar2 Jan 2021 #65
I was talking to a Trader Joe employee about mask R B Garr Jan 2021 #66
Next time you're in there jmbar2 Jan 2021 #67
Great idea! I try to be as supportive as possible, but I R B Garr Jan 2021 #68
Couldn't they just call the cops and have them removed Luciferous Jan 2021 #69

thucythucy

(8,069 posts)
57. Or on the basis of disability.
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 10:53 AM
Jan 2021

But the ADA has provisions for businesses to make "reasonable accommodations" and also has provisions allowing for exemptions in the case of communicable diseases.

As a disabled person myself I hate it when these people spout off about the ADA, a law they know nothing about and which Republicans have been trying to repeal or gut since 1990.

Siwsan

(26,268 posts)
3. It's pretty obvious that they are all reading from a script
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 11:16 PM
Jan 2021

Their arguments are practically verbatim.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
46. just like the anti 'obamacare' bullshit - a bunch of rw radio talking points that the left never
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 02:34 AM
Jan 2021

recognized nor responded to

torius

(1,652 posts)
4. Seems menacing and harassment laws might apply
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 11:18 PM
Jan 2021

Not wearing a mask is menacing all the people in and around the store. It's creating an unsafe environment. They're harassing him. He offered to shop for them; he didn't deny them service. I want to see these creeps get punished.

TheBlackAdder

(28,209 posts)
47. The only was assholes like this learn is by permanent lifetime ban w/tresspass order to their stores
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 05:07 AM
Jan 2021

OldBaldy1701E

(5,134 posts)
55. Perhaps
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 09:38 AM
Jan 2021

But it has been my experience that the only way someone like this learns is when you drag his sorry infected ass out of the door and throw in him into the street. And, if he tries to re-enter, you use whatever means necessary to protect your shop, your customers, and your own life and livelihood. Once a few of these idiots spend a bit of time in the hospital before their trial and sentencing for attempted manslaughter (Which is what this is. Anyone who behaves in this way during a pandemic is guilty of that very charge in my opinion), they might... might... learn. But, as usual, not holding my breath. I mean, they have not learned anything yet...

PatSeg

(47,501 posts)
10. I think they believe that
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 11:30 PM
Jan 2021

sounds legal and intimidating, but it really makes no sense. Definitely idiots.

Claire Oh Nette

(2,636 posts)
27. genuine frontier gibberish
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 12:07 AM
Jan 2021

word salad that sound smart to really stupid or ignorant people. Stupid is forgivable. Willful ignorance is not.

Right to commerce....

PatSeg

(47,501 posts)
56. Yes and only really stupid people
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 10:50 AM
Jan 2021

are impressed. I am in awe of people who know so little, but just keeping talking. She must bore her friends and relatives to tears.

Phoenix61

(17,006 posts)
6. Blocking the entrance to a store is probably a
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 11:23 PM
Jan 2021

good way to get the cops called on you. What a bunch of maroons.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
22. I thought that too
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 11:56 PM
Jan 2021

When the unmasked demonstrator said they were blocking other customers from going in,
that's when the manager should have called the cops.

Jimvanhise

(302 posts)
8. SELECTIVE MEMORY?
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 11:24 PM
Jan 2021

Has she ever objected to signs at businesses which state "No, shirt, no shoes, no service"? No difference.

SeattleVet

(5,477 posts)
38. I noticed than those signs NEVER mention 'no pants'.
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 12:58 AM
Jan 2021

However, believe me, even if the sign DOESN'T say it...

Rebl2

(13,523 posts)
21. Exactly what
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 11:51 PM
Jan 2021

I thought. The fact is they are trying to protect the lives of their customers by asking you to wear a mask because oh, there is a deadly virus rampaging through our country. What don’t they get!!!

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
24. Okay. I'll not comment on her choice of clothing.
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 12:01 AM
Jan 2021

However her use of the word, personhood, I found weird.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
29. She is a weirdo and her racist past comments are no surprise
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 12:15 AM
Jan 2021

She was eventually arrested and booked for trespassing and resisting arrest.
BTW, it's not the first time she's been embroiled in controversy.

Falco-DiCorrado, a staunch Trump supporter, was forced to resign from her volunteer seat on the County's Community Redevelopment Agency Advisory Board in 2017, following controversial remarks made during a meeting to designate Boynton Beach a sanctuary city.

Falco-DiCorrado allegedly told Black residents at the meeting, "You're lucky we brought you over as slaves, or else you'd be deported too." She later told the Palm Beach Post her comments were misinterpreted and she didn’t mean any harm.

JohnnyRingo

(18,636 posts)
15. Half of America is broken.
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 11:33 PM
Jan 2021

and they don't know it.

They're spouting some crazy non-law about how they have a right to go in and shop however they want. I wonder if they've ever burned a "No Shirt No Shoes" sign.

iluvtennis

(19,863 posts)
17. So glad the Trader Joe's manager/staff held their line. There is a pandemic on-going, and
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 11:39 PM
Jan 2021

you need to follow the rules by wearing a mask. Go shop some place else that'll allow you to be mask-less. I'm so done with these idiots.

Mr.Bill

(24,303 posts)
18. I wonder how this ended.
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 11:42 PM
Jan 2021

I would have called the police about two minutes into this if I was the manager.

sillywabbit

(24 posts)
19. In Oregon everyone is required to wear a mask indoors
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 11:46 PM
Jan 2021

Last edited Sun Jan 17, 2021, 01:48 AM - Edit history (1)

and when they can't maintain a social distance outdoors. I'm glad that Trader Joe's has a mask policy, but in Oregon that wouldn't really matter since everyone has to wear a mask indoors.

marlakay

(11,474 posts)
61. Hi welcome! Very true
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 02:01 PM
Jan 2021

I am in Medford which is a conservative town in Oregon and luckily haven't seen any problems with mask wearing last few months at Trader Joes or Costco. Did see some try in the early months. We have more cases now, this is a retirement town and I bet the older people are scared.

sillywabbit

(24 posts)
63. Thanks for the welcome, marlakay. I live
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 04:04 PM
Jan 2021

in Ashland. According to the Ashland Sneak Preview's poll, 87% of Ashlanders wear masks all of the time.

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
20. Don't give me this "misunderstood working class Trump voters" bullshit.
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 11:49 PM
Jan 2021

These people think they are entitled. We saw it at the Capitol when they destroyed a sacred symbol of our democracy and killed people, and we see it when they try push their way into a store without masks during a pandemic. God help me, but I have a seething contempt for every one of these entitled horror shows walking around in human skin.

DURHAM D

(32,610 posts)
23. Our Kroger owned grocery enforces the mask rule.
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 11:58 PM
Jan 2021

People argue all sorts of shit about their rights but the employees just simply say - this is private property and the owners get to make the rules.

I stopped and listened to an idiot (woman about 30) argue with a store manager the other day. She screamed "it is a HIPPA violation to tell us to wear masks". I burst out laughing. She looked at me and repeated the HIPPA thing - I laughed again and said "You don't even know what that means. Better do some more research." She left.

Grokenstein

(5,725 posts)
30. I swear I don't know why America doesn't already have security gates everywhere.
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 12:18 AM
Jan 2021

I guess I'm used to them because of the places I've worked.
Imagine the "no-fly list" applied to everyday business.
Cause a scene at Walmart? Never enter a Walmart again.

Fascist? A bit. But this sort of nonsense can't be tolerated forever.

keithbvadu2

(36,828 posts)
32. Ma'am, I'm going to spray you with this Lysol product to protect myself.
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 12:21 AM
Jan 2021

Ma'am, I'm going to spray you with this Lysol product to protect myself.

I am a customer and have the right to shop here.

I have the right to protect myself by decontaminating you as a recognized hazard.

Donald Trump said that Lysol works.

Claire Oh Nette

(2,636 posts)
34. Rules for thee, but not for me...
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 12:35 AM
Jan 2021

"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect..."

Frank Wilhoit: The Travesty of Liberalism

He argues there is only Conservatism. We really ought all be anticon...

Karadeniz

(22,537 posts)
36. NO SHOES, NO SHIRT, NO MASK, NO SERVICE. People have been abiding by a business's rules
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 12:40 AM
Jan 2021

Forever. This is not new. The only thing new is the GOP turning it into a legal issue.

BigmanPigman

(51,609 posts)
37. Maskholes just regurgitate the RE BS that they hear in the talking points
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 12:42 AM
Jan 2021

from the Greedy Old Pricks and the propaganda fed to their shriveled brains. They have no idea what laws and rules mean, who establishes them, etc. None of them knows what the Hell they are talking about. When a news journalist speaks with them it is hysterical. They say the same crap that isn't true and when you try to get them to explain any details they never can. They just go on repeating the same BS and then when they realize that they don't know shit they quickly wrap it up with, "You're the fake news, I'm not talking to you".

kacekwl

(7,017 posts)
39. Why even speak to them? State the policy and tell
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 01:00 AM
Jan 2021

them one time. You will not enter without a mask on and kept on. No further discussion.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,564 posts)
40. Wanna know what COVID is like?
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 01:03 AM
Jan 2021
*throat punch* Like that. That is how it feels. Now fuck off and quit wasting my time.

Or maybe something rude and aggressive. Depends on the mood.

dreamland

(964 posts)
43. Trader Joes can allow only members to shop. The price of membership is a mask.
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 01:58 AM
Jan 2021

Do you see non-members shopping at Costco? I think they just want to target Trader Joes.

NBachers

(17,120 posts)
44. I thought I'd stick around for the whole thing- I tried, I tried, but I just couldn't listen to her.
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 02:08 AM
Jan 2021

I wanted to climb into the picture and tear gas her and her motley group of deplorables.

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
45. Poor guy trying to reason with the unreasonable. I gave up attempting to do that awhile ago
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 02:10 AM
Jan 2021

Which is hard to do because that was always my approach to these situations.

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
48. My son works at
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 06:06 AM
Jan 2021

Last edited Sun Jan 17, 2021, 11:58 AM - Edit history (1)

Trader Joe's. After one particular trying day, he was going off on the 'difficult' customers. He said the employees are so fed up with the lame no mask excuses. Evidently some customers shop and then at check out unload on the employee. Because Trader Joe's has been good to their employees throughout the pandemic, their employees are loyal.

onetexan

(13,043 posts)
49. That's great the store is so adamant about protecting the staff as well as the public.
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 07:21 AM
Jan 2021

I'm so glad to see this. Here where we are all groceries stores, and every business i've been to actually, have taken great precautions. the optical place i went to several weeks ago took my temperature and had extra masks in the case a customer came in without one. Science denial seems prevalent with the RW'ers. So glad to see Biden place great importance in science and has appointed a science czar to be on his cabinet. We need to restore America's greatness and dispel ignorance.

DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
50. The manager made a crucial mistake
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 07:42 AM
Jan 2021

He engaged with the anti-maskers. You can't, much like you can't engage with a MAGA't: they are all BULLIES. You cannot speak to or reason with a bully.

While TJ is a "nice" store and the employees are "friendly", I doubt that they would be nice with a person carrying a gun to a cashier saying they need some money as they left their wallet at home. I know it's not a perfect analogy, but these anti-maskers are physically dangerous.

They cannot be let inside. Period. End of discussion, and the manager let it go on way too long, IMO. He could have simply told them you cannot come in without a mask, but then engaging in a discussion about civil rights laws was totally futile: when you engage with them on something like this, you're now playing the game on their terms. Even if they draw you in like that, he could have said no and further said that if they have a court order saying that requiring masks violates civil rights laws, he'd be happy to forward that to TJ's corporate HQ.

And then he could call the police to ask them to remove the trespassers.

bedazzled

(1,763 posts)
58. i would have called the cops about 2 minutes in
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 12:29 PM
Jan 2021

without telling them. less time to listen to that hideous shrieking why do they all sound the same? it is like the scene in superman when lex luthor is calling the dogs. it is lucky they employ lots of burly men. a lot of places don't

hydrolastic

(488 posts)
59. Your correct its not really about rights
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 12:52 PM
Jan 2021

Its the bully mentality. Where i work in the morning meetings about 30% of the people don't wear masks or not properly after countless times of being "reminded" to wear them. Its about owning the libs. Minority rule is what we are dealing with.

MissMillie

(38,560 posts)
51. Where are these people getting this info on "rights"?
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 08:33 AM
Jan 2021

There are restaurants in this country that will not seat a man for a meal unless he's wearing suit coat and tie!!!!!

Traildogbob

(8,752 posts)
52. Tell it to the religious cake bakers.
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 09:23 AM
Jan 2021

Treat “right to life” and breath as we have to “right to cults, I mean religion”.

Response to marble falls (Reply #53)

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
62. "this virus is pinned on everyone whether you have it or not. "
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 02:45 PM
Jan 2021

I wish someone there would explain how a virus works to her, in plain 6 year old language.

Chakaconcarne

(2,453 posts)
64. These are facebookers going into stores to instigate
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 04:06 PM
Jan 2021

They have been doing it all over. They go into a store, most often with masks, then they remove them so they'll get "harassed" by store employees so they can video and post to social media. Cowards remove comments from these posts. Hate those fuckers. I have their Facebook pages somewhere.

jmbar2

(4,890 posts)
65. There should be a site publicizing them, like the insurrectionists
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 05:08 PM
Jan 2021

They are generating fear and intimidation towards those who REALLY don't want this virus.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
66. I was talking to a Trader Joe employee about mask
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 05:26 PM
Jan 2021

enforcement and told me they explain it’s private property.

How this came up was during my checkout, I had brought a bag in as I’ve done before, but he said they changed back to no customer bags being allowed in since the 2nd wave hit. I said no problem and we talked about how it got tighter again and that’s when he started opening up about the anti-maskers and their silly arguments, and they tell them it’s private property.

jmbar2

(4,890 posts)
67. Next time you're in there
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 05:44 PM
Jan 2021

..tell them that they have a lot of sympathy and support on this forum. They are essential workers.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
68. Great idea! I try to be as supportive as possible, but I
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 05:51 PM
Jan 2021

might just mention the internet support.

Luciferous

(6,081 posts)
69. Couldn't they just call the cops and have them removed
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 06:35 PM
Jan 2021

from the premises? I would've lost my job if I was the manager because after about 2 minutes of that bullshit I would have lost my cool with that moron.

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