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Fri Jan 29, 2021, 08:49 AM

'The perfect target': Russia cultivated Trump as asset for 40 years - ex-KGB spy

Source: The Guardian



The KGB ‘played the game as if they were immensely impressed by his personality’, Yuri Shvets, a key source for a new book, tells the Guardian

David Smith in Washington
@smithinamerica
Fri 29 Jan 2021 03.00 EST

Donald Trump was cultivated as a Russian asset over 40 years and proved so willing to parrot anti-western propaganda that there were celebrations in Moscow, a former KGB spy has told the Guardian.

Yuri Shvets, posted to Washington by the Soviet Union in the 1980s, compares the former US president to “the Cambridge five”, the British spy ring that passed secrets to Moscow during the second world war and early cold war.

Now 67, Shvets is a key source for American Kompromat, a new book by journalist Craig Unger, whose previous works include House of Trump, House of Putin. The book also explores the former president’s relationship with the disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein.

“This is an example where people were recruited when they were just students and then they rose to important positions; something like that was happening with Trump,” Shvets said by phone on Monday from his home in Virginia.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/29/trump-russia-asset-claims-former-kgb-spy-new-book

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Reply 'The perfect target': Russia cultivated Trump as asset for 40 years - ex-KGB spy (Original post)
DonViejo Jan 2021 OP
dlk Jan 2021 #1
Pachamama Jan 2021 #3
iluvtennis Jan 2021 #25
southerncrone Jan 2021 #43
Rural_Progressive Jan 2021 #24
apnu Feb 2021 #48
Kid Berwyn Jan 2021 #2
PatSeg Jan 2021 #4
Kid Berwyn Jan 2021 #5
PatSeg Jan 2021 #7
Layzeebeaver Jan 2021 #6
PatSeg Jan 2021 #8
Initech Jan 2021 #20
PatSeg Jan 2021 #23
Initech Jan 2021 #26
PatSeg Jan 2021 #30
Initech Jan 2021 #31
PatSeg Jan 2021 #32
Initech Jan 2021 #34
PatSeg Jan 2021 #36
BComplex Jan 2021 #37
PatSeg Jan 2021 #38
byronius Jan 2021 #9
pandr32 Jan 2021 #17
Backseat Driver Jan 2021 #29
Calista241 Jan 2021 #10
TomVilmer Jan 2021 #18
PSPS Jan 2021 #22
Layzeebeaver Jan 2021 #33
regnaD kciN Jan 2021 #40
Calista241 Jan 2021 #42
Ford_Prefect Jan 2021 #11
erronis Jan 2021 #12
regnaD kciN Jan 2021 #41
Oldem Jan 2021 #13
Gothmog Jan 2021 #14
onetexan Jan 2021 #15
AZ8theist Jan 2021 #16
world wide wally Jan 2021 #19
Nitram Jan 2021 #21
Backseat Driver Jan 2021 #27
Bigredhunk Jan 2021 #28
bagimin Jan 2021 #35
uppityperson Jan 2021 #39
jmowreader Jan 2021 #44
Freelancer Jan 2021 #45
nam78_two Jan 2021 #46
ck4829 Feb 2021 #47

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 08:56 AM

1. It's unlikely Trump was the only one

I wonder about the others.

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Response to dlk (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 10:24 AM

3. +100000

Follow the money, the travel and associations with key people....follow the Kompromat.

There are different categories - the various people who were “groomed” as assets. Then the people who became their blackmailed targets.

I have been saying for years now that the real explanation for people like Lindsay Graham, Kevin McCarthy, Ron Johnson, Ted Cruz, Devin Nunes, etc

Then there are the Rupert Murdoch’s and business and media...

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 01:02 PM

25. +++ agree. nt

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 30, 2021, 12:34 AM

43. My family has discussed this for years.

Once, "Daddy" died, he needed someone to bail him out from his multiple business failures. Enter KGB.

I predict we will see a steady peeling back of the layers exposing a vast number of politicians & business leaders who are bought & paid for by the KGB.

Anyone who has been really paying attention over the years can see this is clearly a strong possibility. Some of these politicians who are continually re-elected despite horrible polling stats, & even scandals, make you wonder HOW could this happen.

Stay tuned.

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Response to dlk (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 01:01 PM

24. They cast very wide nets

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Response to dlk (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 1, 2021, 09:11 AM

48. Do you remember during Obama's term suddenly the GOP was very pro-Russia

Right around the time Republicans were passing around memes of Putin, shirtless, riding a horse and compared it with a photoshopped pic of Obama on some beach in Hawaii?

That's when the Russian full-court press was on hunting for Republicans susceptible to their propaganda.

There are many others in the the Republican party. They are "useful idiots" (in Russian terms), meaning they are easily led, easily steered. Its not like they are actual double-agents, more like easily corruptible tools.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 09:14 AM

2. Flattery will get you everywhere, Vladimir.

The Cambridge Five, OTOH, did it for ideology.

The KGB find the key.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 10:38 AM

4. Trump must have been so easy

with his compulsive need for praise combined with his endless financial problems. Putin's chump.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 10:45 AM

5. Craig Unger talks about It.

Haven’t listened to the whole thing, but, wow.

Unger is a veteran journalist and author of six books, including the New York Times bestsellers House of Bush, House of Saud, and House of Trump, House of Putin.

Unger writes that Trump was rescued multiple bankruptcies by millions in Russian cash laundered through his real estate in the 80s and 90s.

The grooming included an invitation to Russia by a high-level KGB official in 1987 under the guise of a preliminary scouting trip to build a Trump hotel in Moscow. Unger says the trip, was in fact ‘deep development’ by KGB handlers that furthered creating secret back channels and allowed the Russians to influence and damage American democracy, the author claims.


Source: https://www.wmnf.org/radioactivity-thursday-veteran-journalist-craig-unger-on-his-latest-book-american-kompromat/

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 10:57 AM

7. The Russians certainly know how to play the long game

I'm sure Russian handlers had many a good laugh at Trump's expense. He is like a child in his desperate need for praise and attention.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 10:54 AM

6. McTurtle?

We need a similar informational reveal regarding ALL government officials. I would not bet against aggressor nations managing moles on both parties.

The expert quoted above is from the CCCP.

As a side challenge question - Have any western nations EVER had a very high value spy successfully defect from China?

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Response to Layzeebeaver (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 11:00 AM

8. From what we've witnessed the past four years

I'd venture there are quite a few in congress right now, some pretty obviously compromised.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 12:36 PM

20. I'd add Ted Cruz, Lindsay Graham, and Josh Howley to that list.

And yeah I'm sure there are others.

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Response to Initech (Reply #20)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 01:00 PM

23. Remember former Congressman Dana Rohrabacher

He served 15 terms in congress and apparently it was common knowledge among his republican colleagues, that he was a Russian asset. Instead of being outraged and shocked, they made jokes about it. If Rohrabacher's close ties to Russia were treated so lightly, I'm sure there are plenty more who just aren't quite so obvious. That fact that so many republicans in DC don't treat this as a major scandal is absolutely alarming.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #23)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 01:03 PM

26. I live really close to his district.

Yeah that guy is every bit as toxic as you can imagine!

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Response to Initech (Reply #26)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 01:39 PM

30. And yet he served 30 years in congress

That pretty much tells other politicians that anything goes and you won't be held accountable. I wouldn't be surprised if Devin Nunes was groomed by Russians as well.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #30)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 01:52 PM

31. Oh he has to be on their payroll no question.

I keep wondering who the mystery Congressperson that was sending anonymous text messages to the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys leaders during the riots, and I think I have my list narrowed down.

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Response to Initech (Reply #31)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 02:01 PM

32. Oh yes, its like a Tom Clancy thriller

and I think there will be plenty of surprises in the future. I wonder how many seditionists are actually in congress right now. Pelosi wouldn't have said anything publicly if she wasn't sure, she's not known to be careless. If she said something, then she knows.

As exciting as this is, I wish it was a movie instead of real life. I want to believe it is too far-fetched to be real, but I know that's not true. Very real and very scary.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #32)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 02:11 PM

34. I'd say it's equal parts Tom Clancy and Wes Craven.

We're literally living in a horror movie right now and you don't know what is going to happen from one day to the next. And turning the page, things just get worse and worse.

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Response to Initech (Reply #34)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 02:48 PM

36. Oh yes

And throw in a bit of satire as well, maybe along the lines of Dr. Strangelove or Wag the Dog, as so much of this is too hard to believe.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #30)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 03:45 PM

37. Chair of the House Intelligece Committee - nice catbird seat if he was

groomed by russia too!

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Response to BComplex (Reply #37)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 04:06 PM

38. Oh, how convenient

I just now read that he was on the shortlist for Secretary of State under Trump. I'm surprised Putin didn't push for his nomination, but maybe that was too obvious even for him.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 11:12 AM

9. The other very effective side of this gambit is the American unwillingness to believe it.

It's been in plain sight all along since the very beginning. Yet even some on our side are hesitant to accept it.

Classic human psychology. The Russians have been the masters of this game for a century.

We're still in danger. We should act.

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Response to byronius (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 12:09 PM

17. +1

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Response to byronius (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 01:26 PM

29. Act on what we (royal) know? Our legal system is set up to play the waiting game

for getting "the bigger/est fish" while culprits beneath roam around w/electronic ankle bracelets and get plea deals that lessen their criminal culpability (apparently up to complete immunity of prosecution) and eventual judicial sentences (that have operated on multi-tiers of justice since Day 1 of the Constitution's signing).

Media sources of CTs don't help unravel the Gordian knots of global ideological political power gamesmanship.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 11:14 AM

10. My opinion is this is some dude just trying to make some money off of Trump haters.

Trump, for 45 years, was just some rich guy in NYC. The USSR, for much of the early / mid Trump period, had significant money issues, and the Russian Federation, under Yeltsin, was flat broke. To my knowledge, Trump made zero effort to extoll the virtues of communism or to denigrate the United States in any sort of public manner, which would be the only use for a semi-famous rich real estate dude in NYC. Much the opposite, he embraced capitalism.

The extent of my knowledge of Trump, before he ran for President, was that he had some casino's and hotels. Mike Tyson liked him, and he was on that stupid show, The Apprentice, which I never, ever watched. The most significant things of note he did was get in a public fight with the mayor of NYC over zoning, and his involvement with the Central Park Five case.

Then all of a sudden, in his early 70's, he decides to run for President. The initial days of his campaign were funny. He was a train wreck and America could not look away.

To this day I believe Russia never expected Trump to win and was intending to damage the future Clinton Presidency by hacking her email and dripping it out. I suspect they had much, much more information, which they would have released periodically throughout her tenure. We only ever saw one person's emails from Guccifer 2.0, and that email server had a lot of other shit on it. Every press conference Hillary or her Press Secretary had would have been about some new revelation about Clinton.

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 12:18 PM

18. Spot on. Shvets and Unger is again stretching reality to fit the best selling lists...

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 12:55 PM

22. "the Russian Federation, under Yeltsin, was flat broke"

There has always been the oligarch class with lots of cash needing to be converted to something of value outside the country. They shuttle between their dachas while the plebeians scramble for potatoes, not that different from the US these days.

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Response to PSPS (Reply #22)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 02:07 PM

33. but between then and now...

...how much Russian intelligence activity was/is funded via oligarchs, dark money and personal favours?

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 09:05 PM

40. You miss a couple of points...

To my knowledge, Trump made zero effort to extoll the virtues of communism or to denigrate the United States in any sort of public manner, which would be the only use for a semi-famous rich real estate dude in NYC. Much the opposite, he embraced capitalism.

...he didn't have to "extol the virtues of communism" to be useful to the U.S.S.R., and he didn't "sudden(ly), in his early '70s," decide to run for president. On the contrary, as the article mentions, he first floated a run for president in 1988 (only months after his visit to the Soviet Union), and again in 2000. In 1988, right at the end of the "Morning in America" era, his brief run included an open letter/advertisement in major papers calling for U.S. foreign policy to distance itself from N.A.T.O. and stop spending its defense funding on Japan. It doesn't take a master diplomat to realize that both of those proposals would have been music to the ears of the Soviet Politburo just as much as they would be to their current Russian successor.

When they groomed Trump in the '70s and '80s, did the KGB expect that Trump would eventually become president? Highly unlikely. But was it to their advantage to reel him in, with the expectation that he could become prominent in the Republican Party (and, being the very image of capitalist success would have made sure he was welcome there, or in the emerging "Third Way" Democratic wing, for that matter) and thus become a major voice for isolationism? I'm guessing that was their real goal, and it paid off admirably.

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Response to regnaD kciN (Reply #40)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 11:19 PM

42. Well, maybe

But floating a run in 1988 and finally doing it in 2016 doesn't represent a good return on investment for the Soviets, whose own government collapsed in 1991.

And this article is attesting to millions being invested in Trump by the Russians. Even hugely successful spies for the Russians didn't rake in millions. Robert Hanssen was perhaps the worst of the worst spy for the Russians. An FBI agent, he fed the Russians highly sensitive, actionable information for over 20 years, and he was paid a grand total of just over $1m over those 20 years.

Trump also publicly professed to be a Democrat in the early 2000's, and everyone thought he was one up until just before his run in 2016. His past political donations went to Democrats all over the country by a pretty wide margin.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 11:20 AM

11. Surprise, Surprise, Surprise!!!

You start to wonder just how much other penetration there is? What with the NRA, certain members of congress and senate, Rupert Murdoch's propaganda empire, and the GOP hierarchy all acting so adamantly defensive about the Donald? Prior to Jan.6th. that is.

And then there is the matter of so many judges and "Trump loyalists" installed throughout the length and breadth of our government.

Who's steering them and paying them? Are they part of the siege on American government such as the GOP in AZ and Michigan?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 11:29 AM

12. You know about that lavish palace on the Black Sea? I bet it's the trump family new dacha.

Putie says it's not his and he's the only one who can order the no-fly, no-walk/drive/swim zone around this monstrosity.

I didn't see a golf course but it could be underground....

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Response to erronis (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 09:16 PM

41. If so, it will only be so temporarily...

Pootie-Poot may not "own" it now, but he'll take it over for kopeks on the ruble once the ex-President suddenly passes away from an unexpected illness that also strikes down his entire family (except for Melania and Ivanka, who will be invited to stay on...).

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 11:31 AM

13. Now, if this can only be proven:

Treason, pure and simple.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 11:39 AM

14. trump was Putin's puppet for four years

trump has hurt America a great deal in serving the interests of Putin

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 11:58 AM

15. This is why it should be a stipulation that before a candidate can be nominated they must be fully

vetted by the intelligence communities so crap like this can be made known to the public.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 11:59 AM

16. Oh, C'mon!!

As if we "back-easters" didn't know Doturd was a Russian stooge decades ago.....

The greatest con-job in American history was convincing the rubes he some kind of competent "business" man.....
Complete fucking nonsense.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 12:21 PM

19. It simply isn't rational how Trump defended Russia/Putin at every turn.

Even about targeting American troops in Afghanistan.
There is definitely something fishy between Russia and Trump.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 12:42 PM

21. I'm skeptical of most conspiracy theories, but I totally believe this one.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 01:05 PM

27. Good grief, Charlie Brown!

Anyone got any other older media articles that confirm what Craig Unger's source revealed to him for the purpose of this Guardian pre-release teaser piece?

I tried to verify the claim that "Trump bought 200 television sets for the hotel from Semyon Kislin, a Soviet émigré who co-owned Joy-Lud electronics on Fifth Avenue. That company is real enough...and I followed the named CEO at the following link on a pretty wild ride through browser searches, though...

https://www.corporationwiki.com/p/2nmu6h/joy-lud-electronics-inc

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 01:11 PM

28. Of course

I bought Mr Unger’s book on Kindle a couple days ago. Looking forward to reading it!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 02:15 PM

35. I think Malcolm Nance

has been covering this forever.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2021, 08:46 PM

39. K&R

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jan 30, 2021, 01:23 AM

44. What the Soviets and Russians needed most out of Trump is money laundering services

At least before he decided to get into politics. The USSR and Russia have always had a lot of dirty money sitting around, and someone who at least looks legitimate, like Trump, would come in very handy.

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Sun Jan 31, 2021, 07:44 AM

46. This is a great article

The KGB seems to have a natural flair for this sort of stuff. The sort of behavioral modification that a stupider group might only manage to do with invasive surveillance can be done in low tech ways by organically creepy people who know how to pump people, exploit their weaknesses, fears etc. In Trump they had excellent raw material as well.

Between organically creepy people and basically creepy people equipped with surveillance tech, this is a creep's paradise..for the rest of us, it is hell of course.
I cannot believe that dreck that tabloids, garden variety sexual harassers and other such creeps not to mention your village gossip could do better is now considered some sort of behavioral science.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Feb 1, 2021, 07:11 AM

47. K&R

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