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Botany

(70,428 posts)
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 11:10 AM Feb 2021

At stake in Senate hearing Tuesday: The story of the Capitol riot, and who is responsible

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Source: Washington Post


But Tuesday's hearing before members of two Senate committees could also become a battleground for competing narratives over what prompted the riot and who was responsible for it -- a question that has become even more pointed following former president Donald Trump's acquittal on an impeachment charge earlier this month.

Trump's allies in Congress and beyond have sought to downplay Trump's role in gathering his supporters in Washington and spreading the false claim that he, not President Biden, won the November election -- facts that led to bipartisan impeachment proceedings. Instead, they have sought to blame lapses by Capitol security officials -- and the congressional leaders they report to -- for the building's invasion.

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"This is a moment to get the actual facts about what happened at the Capitol," she (Sen. Amy Klobuchar) said. "The issues we identify and the answers we get are part of the solution, so this isn't just about throwing popcorn at a movie screen to try to get sound bites. We actually have to make decisions in the coming months."

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While neither Irving nor Stenger has addressed the matter directly, a former Capitol security official who spoke to The Washington Post last month at Irving's request relayed that Irving dismissed Sund's request to place National Guard troops on call, citing the "optics" of stationing uniformed military personnel at the seat of federal government.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/capitol-riot-trump-senate/2021/02/22/abd53038-7527-11eb-8115-9ad5e9c02117_story.html



The Truth will come out starting today. And that is the riot was Trump and company's doing.

Trump gave out invites to the riot by giving out the day, the date, the time and the place.
Trump helped to pay for the riot by using campaign funds.
Trump had his acting head of the DoD decapitate the D.C. National Guard 2 days prior to the riot.
Trump was told by Rep. McCarthy of the violence around and inside the Capitol and refused to
put a stop to it.

BTW a majority of republicans blame Antifa* for the riot and some even think that the riot was Nancy
Pelosi's fault.




* https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215147827
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At stake in Senate hearing Tuesday: The story of the Capitol riot, and who is responsible (Original Post) Botany Feb 2021 OP
Don't republicans want to move beyond what happened that day? dubyadiprecession Feb 2021 #1
Well they already gave Trump a pass on the riot/coup attempt Botany Feb 2021 #2
Hopefully the Capital police will direct republican members of Congress to the capital steps... dubyadiprecession Feb 2021 #3
We may know the answer to that in 9 days. Ford_Prefect Feb 2021 #18
INSURRECTION. NOT "riot". Come on, wapo, you can do better. niyad Feb 2021 #4
I have been watching this BumRushDaShow Feb 2021 #5
Yes. ancianita Feb 2021 #10
I know the House side has a specific Committee that deals with that BumRushDaShow Feb 2021 #14
That's the temptation -- a 'story' rather than all facts. A lot of what intel and LE factually did ancianita Feb 2021 #6
Antifa?? Pelosi?? Dumb as a giant bag of hammers. Evolve Dammit Feb 2021 #7
Antifa, their go-to scapegoat;now that ex-con 45 finally learns what antifa stand for, he twists who ancianita Feb 2021 #9
The joint hearing is a joke. The ground rules was to keep the politics out of it msfiddlestix Feb 2021 #8
It's not that easy. There is no fast expulsion of congressional members. Because of due process. ancianita Feb 2021 #11
I see that the issue isn't referred to in the rules as stated msfiddlestix Feb 2021 #12
You are right. Even when she sees their politicization, all she can do is refer their statements ancianita Feb 2021 #13
Good Point. I hope she approaches future considerations based on this experience msfiddlestix Feb 2021 #15
Because it's the factual basis that justifies her leadership decisions & prevents challenge. ancianita Feb 2021 #20
Already Rebl2 Feb 2021 #16
" ... republicans trying to say these weren't trump people that did this." Botany Feb 2021 #17
That's what Rebl2 Feb 2021 #19
After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING Omaha Steve Feb 2021 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Omaha Steve Feb 2021 #22

dubyadiprecession

(5,674 posts)
1. Don't republicans want to move beyond what happened that day?
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 11:31 AM
Feb 2021

You know...because they believe it was largely “Antifa rioters” that caused problems that day.

Botany

(70,428 posts)
2. Well they already gave Trump a pass on the riot/coup attempt
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 11:37 AM
Feb 2021

n/t

dubyadiprecession

(5,674 posts)
3. Hopefully the Capital police will direct republican members of Congress to the capital steps...
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 11:44 AM
Feb 2021

The next time trump sends rioter their way.

They just need to tell Moscow Mitch and the others, “trust us, this is the safest route to go, so you won’t be harmed”.

Ford_Prefect

(7,865 posts)
18. We may know the answer to that in 9 days.
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 01:55 PM
Feb 2021

niyad

(112,974 posts)
4. INSURRECTION. NOT "riot". Come on, wapo, you can do better.
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 12:05 PM
Feb 2021

BumRushDaShow

(128,283 posts)
5. I have been watching this
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 12:05 PM
Feb 2021

and finally realized that there are 2 Committees doing this jointly - and I also learned something new (after looking it up) that the Senate Rules Committee (where Klobuchar is Chair) ALSO deals with the "administrative processes" of Congress itself (the buildings, the office assignments, etc), which I didn't know (I knew they were involved with the Presidential Transition process/activities).

ancianita

(35,915 posts)
10. Yes.
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 01:20 PM
Feb 2021

Klobuchar's in an operationally powerful position across a lot of government acreage.

BumRushDaShow

(128,283 posts)
14. I know the House side has a specific Committee that deals with that
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 01:39 PM
Feb 2021

(I believe the House Administration Committee which is separate from their Rules Committee), so it's interesting where the Senate shoe-horned that function. I'm more used to watching House hearings than Senate since the House has the "power of the purse" and working for the government as many years as I had, I made sure to watch/listen to their budget and appropriations hearings (along with Oversight, etc)...

ancianita

(35,915 posts)
6. That's the temptation -- a 'story' rather than all facts. A lot of what intel and LE factually did
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 12:41 PM
Feb 2021

in advance will get glossed over -- like how the JTTF withheld the FBI's intel from all on-the-ground LEO's.

Evolve Dammit

(16,689 posts)
7. Antifa?? Pelosi?? Dumb as a giant bag of hammers.
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 12:58 PM
Feb 2021

ancianita

(35,915 posts)
9. Antifa, their go-to scapegoat;now that ex-con 45 finally learns what antifa stand for, he twists who
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 01:18 PM
Feb 2021

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antifa are really after.

Trumpcult corporate tools be like

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msfiddlestix

(7,270 posts)
8. The joint hearing is a joke. The ground rules was to keep the politics out of it
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 01:15 PM
Feb 2021

Should be grounds for removal of Ron Johnson and others. Suspend the hearing and remove any Senator that blatantly violates the rules. period. Come on Senators, do your job and expel Ron Johnson et al.

ancianita

(35,915 posts)
11. It's not that easy. There is no fast expulsion of congressional members. Because of due process.
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 01:25 PM
Feb 2021

UNLESS Klobuchar is authorized (I'm not sure) to rewrite new rules about expulsion.

The only rules on expulsion I've been able to find so far.
http://senate.legis.state.la.us/documents/rules/Chapter17.htm

msfiddlestix

(7,270 posts)
12. I see that the issue isn't referred to in the rules as stated
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 01:35 PM
Feb 2021

However, I'm fairly certain I heard Klobuchar mention and emphasize the joint hearing was about facts and NOT politics.

Indicating that is how this joint committee would proceed. I feel like if that isn't an indication that it is a rule that they were to go by, then there is no point mentioning that reference, in fact no point in holding a hearing on this at all, particularly since an independent commission is about to be formed and given the authority to proceed with hearings etc.

This was just a stupid exercise in so called oversight. Unfortunate really.

ancianita

(35,915 posts)
13. You are right. Even when she sees their politicization, all she can do is refer their statements
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 01:39 PM
Feb 2021

& questions to Ethics, I believe. It does look that way. But it's good for Klobuchar to get a baseline approach of Republican members so that she knows how to prevent their politicization in the future.

She might have some prior review of their questions put in place for future meetings.

msfiddlestix

(7,270 posts)
15. Good Point. I hope she approaches future considerations based on this experience
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 01:43 PM
Feb 2021

that the public observed in real time.

Of course it was predictable, but none the less, another opportunity couldn't be passed up by these fascists cretins like Johnson I suppose.

ancianita

(35,915 posts)
20. Because it's the factual basis that justifies her leadership decisions & prevents challenge.
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 02:02 PM
Feb 2021

I'm sure we know her to be that kind of leader. She gets no snark and innuendo in her committee, because she sets the oath-based framework of seriousness and doesn't make one thing about her leadership or power.

She just uses rules. And politicizers can't withstand rules.

Rebl2

(13,438 posts)
16. Already
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 01:45 PM
Feb 2021

I have seen a couple of republicans trying to say these weren’t trump people that did this. They didn’t say it like I did, but you could tell by their statements and questions, that’s what they were insinuating.

Botany

(70,428 posts)
17. " ... republicans trying to say these weren't trump people that did this."
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 01:51 PM
Feb 2021

Rebl2

(13,438 posts)
19. That's what
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 01:56 PM
Feb 2021

I thought. What about all the trump flags, maga hats, them strolling through the building say they love trump and trying to find members of Congress, particularly Democrats. Also breaking into Democrats offices.

Omaha Steve

(99,477 posts)
21. After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 03:21 PM
Feb 2021

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