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Tue Feb 23, 2021, 10:10 AM

At stake in Senate hearing Tuesday: The story of the Capitol riot, and who is responsible

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Source: Washington Post


But Tuesday's hearing before members of two Senate committees could also become a battleground for competing narratives over what prompted the riot and who was responsible for it -- a question that has become even more pointed following former president Donald Trump's acquittal on an impeachment charge earlier this month.

Trump's allies in Congress and beyond have sought to downplay Trump's role in gathering his supporters in Washington and spreading the false claim that he, not President Biden, won the November election -- facts that led to bipartisan impeachment proceedings. Instead, they have sought to blame lapses by Capitol security officials -- and the congressional leaders they report to -- for the building's invasion.

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"This is a moment to get the actual facts about what happened at the Capitol," she (Sen. Amy Klobuchar) said. "The issues we identify and the answers we get are part of the solution, so this isn't just about throwing popcorn at a movie screen to try to get sound bites. We actually have to make decisions in the coming months."

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While neither Irving nor Stenger has addressed the matter directly, a former Capitol security official who spoke to The Washington Post last month at Irving's request relayed that Irving dismissed Sund's request to place National Guard troops on call, citing the "optics" of stationing uniformed military personnel at the seat of federal government.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/capitol-riot-trump-senate/2021/02/22/abd53038-7527-11eb-8115-9ad5e9c02117_story.html



The Truth will come out starting today. And that is the riot was Trump and company's doing.

Trump gave out invites to the riot by giving out the day, the date, the time and the place.
Trump helped to pay for the riot by using campaign funds.
Trump had his acting head of the DoD decapitate the D.C. National Guard 2 days prior to the riot.
Trump was told by Rep. McCarthy of the violence around and inside the Capitol and refused to
put a stop to it.

BTW a majority of republicans blame Antifa* for the riot and some even think that the riot was Nancy
Pelosi's fault.




* https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215147827

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Reply At stake in Senate hearing Tuesday: The story of the Capitol riot, and who is responsible (Original post)
Botany Feb 2021 OP
dubyadiprecession Feb 2021 #1
Botany Feb 2021 #2
dubyadiprecession Feb 2021 #3
Ford_Prefect Feb 2021 #18
niyad Feb 2021 #4
BumRushDaShow Feb 2021 #5
ancianita Feb 2021 #10
BumRushDaShow Feb 2021 #14
ancianita Feb 2021 #6
Evolve Dammit Feb 2021 #7
ancianita Feb 2021 #9
msfiddlestix Feb 2021 #8
ancianita Feb 2021 #11
msfiddlestix Feb 2021 #12
ancianita Feb 2021 #13
msfiddlestix Feb 2021 #15
ancianita Feb 2021 #20
Rebl2 Feb 2021 #16
Botany Feb 2021 #17
Rebl2 Feb 2021 #19
Omaha Steve Feb 2021 #21
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Response to Botany (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 10:31 AM

1. Don't republicans want to move beyond what happened that day?

You know...because they believe it was largely “Antifa rioters” that caused problems that day.

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Response to dubyadiprecession (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 10:37 AM

2. Well they already gave Trump a pass on the riot/coup attempt

n/t

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Response to Botany (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 10:44 AM

3. Hopefully the Capital police will direct republican members of Congress to the capital steps...

The next time trump sends rioter their way.

They just need to tell Moscow Mitch and the others, “trust us, this is the safest route to go, so you won’t be harmed”.

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Response to dubyadiprecession (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 12:55 PM

18. We may know the answer to that in 9 days.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 11:05 AM

4. INSURRECTION. NOT "riot". Come on, wapo, you can do better.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 11:05 AM

5. I have been watching this

and finally realized that there are 2 Committees doing this jointly - and I also learned something new (after looking it up) that the Senate Rules Committee (where Klobuchar is Chair) ALSO deals with the "administrative processes" of Congress itself (the buildings, the office assignments, etc), which I didn't know (I knew they were involved with the Presidential Transition process/activities).

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 12:20 PM

10. Yes.

Klobuchar's in an operationally powerful position across a lot of government acreage.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #10)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 12:39 PM

14. I know the House side has a specific Committee that deals with that

(I believe the House Administration Committee which is separate from their Rules Committee), so it's interesting where the Senate shoe-horned that function. I'm more used to watching House hearings than Senate since the House has the "power of the purse" and working for the government as many years as I had, I made sure to watch/listen to their budget and appropriations hearings (along with Oversight, etc)...

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 11:41 AM

6. That's the temptation -- a 'story' rather than all facts. A lot of what intel and LE factually did

in advance will get glossed over -- like how the JTTF withheld the FBI's intel from all on-the-ground LEO's.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 11:58 AM

7. Antifa?? Pelosi?? Dumb as a giant bag of hammers.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 12:18 PM

9. Antifa, their go-to scapegoat;now that ex-con 45 finally learns what antifa stand for, he twists who

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 12:15 PM

8. The joint hearing is a joke. The ground rules was to keep the politics out of it

Should be grounds for removal of Ron Johnson and others. Suspend the hearing and remove any Senator that blatantly violates the rules. period. Come on Senators, do your job and expel Ron Johnson et al.

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Response to msfiddlestix (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 12:25 PM

11. It's not that easy. There is no fast expulsion of congressional members. Because of due process.

UNLESS Klobuchar is authorized (I'm not sure) to rewrite new rules about expulsion.

The only rules on expulsion I've been able to find so far.
http://senate.legis.state.la.us/documents/rules/Chapter17.htm

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Response to ancianita (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 12:35 PM

12. I see that the issue isn't referred to in the rules as stated

However, I'm fairly certain I heard Klobuchar mention and emphasize the joint hearing was about facts and NOT politics.

Indicating that is how this joint committee would proceed. I feel like if that isn't an indication that it is a rule that they were to go by, then there is no point mentioning that reference, in fact no point in holding a hearing on this at all, particularly since an independent commission is about to be formed and given the authority to proceed with hearings etc.

This was just a stupid exercise in so called oversight. Unfortunate really.

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Response to msfiddlestix (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 12:39 PM

13. You are right. Even when she sees their politicization, all she can do is refer their statements

& questions to Ethics, I believe. It does look that way. But it's good for Klobuchar to get a baseline approach of Republican members so that she knows how to prevent their politicization in the future.

She might have some prior review of their questions put in place for future meetings.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 12:43 PM

15. Good Point. I hope she approaches future considerations based on this experience

that the public observed in real time.

Of course it was predictable, but none the less, another opportunity couldn't be passed up by these fascists cretins like Johnson I suppose.

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Response to msfiddlestix (Reply #15)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 01:02 PM

20. Because it's the factual basis that justifies her leadership decisions & prevents challenge.

I'm sure we know her to be that kind of leader. She gets no snark and innuendo in her committee, because she sets the oath-based framework of seriousness and doesn't make one thing about her leadership or power.

She just uses rules. And politicizers can't withstand rules.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 12:45 PM

16. Already

I have seen a couple of republicans trying to say these weren’t trump people that did this. They didn’t say it like I did, but you could tell by their statements and questions, that’s what they were insinuating.

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Response to Rebl2 (Reply #16)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 12:51 PM

17. " ... republicans trying to say these weren't trump people that did this."

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Response to Botany (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 23, 2021, 12:56 PM

19. That's what

I thought. What about all the trump flags, maga hats, them strolling through the building say they love trump and trying to find members of Congress, particularly Democrats. Also breaking into Democrats offices.

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Tue Feb 23, 2021, 02:21 PM

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