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Sun Feb 28, 2021, 10:34 AM

Cuomo Requests Review of Harassment Charges

Source: PoliticalWire




February 28, 2021 at 8:00 am EST By Taegan Goddard

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) announced that a former federal judge would conduct an outside review of the two sexual harassment charges against him, the Wall Street Journal reports.

Said Cuomo: “I ask all New Yorkers to await the findings of the review so that they know the facts before making any judgments. I will have no further comment until the review has concluded.”

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Read more: https://politicalwire.com/2021/02/28/cuomo-requests-outside-review-of-harassment-charges/

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Reply Cuomo Requests Review of Harassment Charges (Original post)
DonViejo Feb 2021 OP
Silver1 Feb 2021 #1
azureblue Feb 2021 #2
Silver1 Feb 2021 #5
ancianita Feb 2021 #6
PoliticAverse Feb 2021 #9
ancianita Feb 2021 #10
PoliticAverse Feb 2021 #14
ancianita Feb 2021 #17
HUAJIAO Feb 2021 #27
ancianita Feb 2021 #30
Silver1 Feb 2021 #11
ancianita Feb 2021 #13
Polybius Mar 2021 #38
ancianita Mar 2021 #39
Polybius Mar 2021 #40
ancianita Mar 2021 #41
Polybius Mar 2021 #42
ancianita Mar 2021 #43
Polybius Mar 2021 #44
ancianita Mar 2021 #46
Polybius Mar 2021 #47
ancianita Mar 2021 #48
Polybius Mar 2021 #49
mcar Feb 2021 #3
George II Feb 2021 #4
Silver1 Feb 2021 #7
PoliticAverse Feb 2021 #16
Silver1 Feb 2021 #21
BlueStater Feb 2021 #8
Silver1 Feb 2021 #12
ancianita Feb 2021 #15
ancianita Feb 2021 #18
PoliticAverse Feb 2021 #20
ancianita Feb 2021 #22
PoliticAverse Feb 2021 #23
ancianita Feb 2021 #25
caber09 Feb 2021 #24
ancianita Feb 2021 #26
caber09 Feb 2021 #29
ancianita Feb 2021 #31
caber09 Feb 2021 #32
pandr32 Feb 2021 #19
PoliticAverse Feb 2021 #28
Calista241 Feb 2021 #33
PBass Feb 2021 #34
Karma13612 Mar 2021 #37
ancianita Mar 2021 #45
SunSeeker Feb 2021 #35
Hekate Feb 2021 #36

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 11:31 AM

1. That's good. And smart.

And speaks to his innocence. We know he has a lot of political enemies.

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Response to Silver1 (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 11:40 AM

2. and the GOP needs a distracton

Without fail, every time a GOPer gets in hot water, somehow something some Dem may or may not have done seems to come out of nowhere. You can set your calendar to it. The GOP has a long record of having women make accusations only to find out that the accusation is a half truth at best (he touched me inappropriately! Madam, you tripped on the sidewalk he grabbed you to stop you from falling. But he grabbed my breast! Madam, the picture shows that he grabbed you around the waist from behind but you slid down ward. He didn't grab your breast. But his arm was close to my breast! etc. ) And they were paid to make it.

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Response to azureblue (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 11:50 AM

5. It would give them a lot of satisfaction to take Cuomo down

... because it would be a big blow to Democrats. I really look forward to finding out the whole story what's going on behind the scenes.

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Response to Silver1 (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 11:52 AM

6. Every strong Democratic leader gets this treatment. Even on his worst day, he's better than any

of his political detractors on their best day.

As a feminist, I think no one of his stature should have to lose his job over some one-off weak moment.

I am weary of how the "perfect-as-the-enemy-of-the-good" is weaponized against Democratic leaders.

He's doing the right thing. He was NY's Attorney General and knows how to let this process work.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #6)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 12:03 PM

9. "knows how to let this process work" - he knows how to make the process not work. n/t

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #9)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 12:07 PM

10. Do explain how he'd "make the process not work." Are you suggesting that he'd obstruct justice?

Are you casting doubt on Cuomo's honesty?

Are you trying to be logical here? Because I don't see it.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #10)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 12:20 PM

14. "Are you casting doubt on Cuomo's honesty?" -You have not "seen (his) wrath"...

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #14)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 12:42 PM

17. Honest wrath about a claim that, while true, is really a precise charge that fails at the accuracy

level that is the most honest picture of any governor's response to the pandemic, and work to get the numbers down.

You think one pissed off reporter who "tells on" a governor should be hailed as a hero? and not the governor who has saved lives?

I agree that "I will destroy you" sounds wrathful. But it comes from the honest place of hard work and trust in the competence of his highly competent team in executing the treatment and supply structure of the 3rd largest state with the #1 financial center on the planet. Cuomo gets THAT kind of credit.

Ever heard of the lead doctor on Cuomo's pandemic team?

I can up the ante here with quotes from Howard Zucker, MD, JD, who runs the numbers for that state.

A native of the Bronx, Dr. Zucker earned his M.D. from George Washington University School of Medicine at age 22, becoming one of America's youngest doctors. He is board-certified in six specialties/subspecialties and trained in pediatrics at Johns Hopkins Hospital, anesthesiology at the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania, pediatric critical care medicine/pediatric anesthesiology at The Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, and pediatric cardiology at Children's Hospital Boston/Harvard Medical School.

Before joining the state Department of Health in September 2013, Dr. Zucker was a professor of clinical anesthesiology at Albert Einstein College of Medicine of Yeshiva University and pediatric cardiac anesthesiologist at Montefiore Medical Center in the Bronx. He was an adjunct professor at Georgetown University Law School, where he taught biosecurity law.

His vast experience in public policy began as a White House Fellow under then-Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson. Subsequently he became the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Health where he developed the nation's Medical Reserve Corps, which today is run by the U.S. Surgeon General and includes more than 200,000 volunteers across nearly 1000 programs. He also worked on the development of the initial SARS preparedness plan, the anthrax crisis, and the National Institutes of Health autism summit, and led a multidisciplinary team on the issue of tissue engineering/regenerative medicine. Dr. Zucker advanced his public policy experience while serving as an Institute of Politics Resident Fellow at Harvard Kennedy School and later as a Presidential Leadership Scholar.

Dr. Zucker is recognized internationally for his work to advance global health. As senior advisor in the Division of Global Health and Human Rights at Massachusetts General Hospital, he leads a team of experts in developing a community peace index, a research initiative aimed at identifying the effectiveness of peace intervention programs in countries impacted by war, political strife and economic instability.

Previously, he served as Assistant Director-General of the World Health Organization (WHO) in charge of the Health Technology & Pharmaceuticals cluster. In this capacity, Dr. Zucker was the highest ranked American at the WHO and spearheaded efforts to globally combat counterfeit medicines as well as address the interface between intellectual property rights, innovation and public health. He is also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, Council for Emerging National Security Affairs, and was a "high-level expert" on public health for NATO.

While working on a public-private partnership with an educational technology company, he developed The Afghan Family Health Book, a health literacy project that has educated millions of women in Afghanistan. Dr. Zucker has traveled to China and Haiti on medical missions and spoken extensively throughout the United States on national health policy issues, including at TEDx, as well as internationally on global health challenges.

Dr. Zucker served as associate professor of clinical pediatrics and anesthesiology at Columbia University College of Physicians & Surgeons and pediatric director of the ICU at New York Presbyterian Hospital, where he launched the restructuring of the critical care complex both from a clinical care delivery standpoint as well as the physical environment. He has held academic appointments at Yale University School of Medicine and the National Institutes of Health, and as a research affiliate in the Center for Space Research at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

Dr. Zucker received his B.S. degree from McGill University. As a student at McGill, he helped design zero-gravity medical experiments that ultimately were conducted aboard several Space Shuttle missions. He recently completed a seven year term on the Board of Directors of the nongovernmental organization that oversees the U.S. National Lab on the International Space Station.

Zucker was profiled in The New Yorker and has been listed in Best Doctors in America as well as Who's Who in the World. He is a member of the medical honor society, Alpha Omega Alpha, and the Bar of the U.S. Supreme Court.


https://www.health.ny.gov/commissioner/bio/

Here's the New Yorker profile on Zucker.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/09/02/the-message-of-measles

If you want to pick a side on the so-called Cuomo issue, pick carefully. Otherwise one might think you are one of those "perfect-as-the-enemy-of-the-good" Democrats who won't support imperfect but otherwise great Democratic leaders.

Think Zucker would work for a wrathful leader? Think he'd stand up for Cuomo if he were? No. You can't honestly say he would.

But he has stood up for him. I posted the video of that, if you'd care to watch it.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017641738

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Response to ancianita (Reply #17)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 01:58 PM

27. Holy cow !! When does the guy have time to eat??

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Response to HUAJIAO (Reply #27)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 02:04 PM

30. Seriously. AND he's got time to defend the governor, and does so, using numbers that put

this "did not report to the legislature" into clearer, more honest perspective.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #6)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 12:12 PM

11. You're right about this becoming an expected accusation from the new gop ...

There's only so many times they can do this though. The "roll your eyes" and "come on, really?" aspect is based in reality and has real strength.

But ... can't really take a position until the facts are clearer. I wonder how long the investigation will take.

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Response to Silver1 (Reply #11)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 12:20 PM

13. We'll be seeing the gop working this angle all the time now.

Of course we can't take a position, and imo, the investigation won't really take that long.

Leaders like Cuomo are the gop funders' favorite targets, and they'll work their money against Democratic leaders' character for as long as they can tie them up in the press -- and even the courts, if they can find a way to make hearsay evidence get that far.

"Real strength" is based on real harm done.
A woman's hurt feelings of injury don't necessarily rise to the level of harm.

If he showed a pattern, as Trump does, there would be legal jeopardy, but I don't think this shows a pattern, or rises to the level of legal jeopardy, nevermind losing his job, for heaven's sake.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #6)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 12:48 PM

38. Suppose it's not a "weak moment"

Suppose it's with multiple women. Then what?

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Response to Polybius (Reply #38)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 02:29 PM

39. I'll suppose

when you go first.

Anytime you're ready.




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Response to ancianita (Reply #39)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 02:32 PM

40. Ok sure

If more come out, more politicians will call for his resignation, and he will be gone.

Your turn.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #40)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 02:50 PM

41. Okay, IF'er.

If no more come out and the AG investigation doesn't find evidence that rises to a level of legal jeopardy, he stays in office.

Your turn.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #41)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 03:04 PM

42. IF'er?

Last edited Mon Mar 1, 2021, 04:08 PM - Edit history (1)

No more more turns. We both went. You clearly are annoyed with me for some reason. Here's what one NY State Senator (a Democrat) is saying:



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Response to Polybius (Reply #42)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 04:08 PM

43. You want to post annoying comments from other Democrats that are inflammatory attacks on our party's

leaders, then you are not just annoying, but complicit in the critical, judgmental doubt machinery that undermines this party.

It's open season here. No Democrats get reported or removed for saying the nastiest things about male Democrats, from Bernie to Franken to Cuomo.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #43)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 04:13 PM

44. I'm annoying?

I'm just commenting on what's in the news.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #44)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 04:50 PM

46. If "supposing" and reposting a nasty tweet about Cuomo are "commenting on what's in the news,"

then your problem goes beyond annoying.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #46)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 04:54 PM

47. It wasn't a Republican Tweet

It was from a Democrat.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #47)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 05:31 PM

48. Doesn't matter.

Not on DU. No. Democrats out there say a lot of things, but "monster" here would get an alert. You're quite selective in what you think is "news." You're not helping this Democrat nor anyone else here with all the he-said/she-said piling on against a great governor. Not cool.

I'm done here. Don't even bother responding.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #48)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 12:49 AM

49. I'll respond if I choose

I wouldn't call him a "monster" but if a Democratic politician does, it's certainly newsworthy.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 11:42 AM

3. Smart move

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 11:47 AM

4. This is the way to handle it. Get it investigated and get it over and done.

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Response to George II (Reply #4)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 11:53 AM

7. It is.

Making accusations is one thing and sworn testimony something completely different.

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Response to Silver1 (Reply #7)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 12:30 PM

16. Are Cuomo and his accusors going to be under oath in this "investigation'? n/t

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #16)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 01:23 PM

21. It is an official investigation ...

I'm not sure if it would be under oath at this point but it's an official investigation that could end up in court so it's understood they need to tell the truth.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 11:55 AM

8. Trump made an empty threat to sue his 26 accusers.

Yet his moronic cult thinks he’s innocent and the women are lying. 🙄

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Response to BlueStater (Reply #8)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 12:14 PM

12. His moronic cult ...

thinks they're special and he loves them. The 26 broads are unworthy.

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Response to Silver1 (Reply #12)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 12:21 PM

15. You might use the sarcasm emoji with that 'broad' word, ya know.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 12:56 PM

18. Yeah, good thing it's a former federal judge's review of 2 harassment charges -- where is the filed

paperwork, huh? -- because two women "accuse," it's now a goddam "federal case."

AND these women? -- who have not filed formal written charges? -- they now get all their evidence for future filings for free. Pretty shady press-driven bullshit, imo.



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Response to ancianita (Reply #18)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 01:11 PM

20. "they now get all their evidence for future filings for free" - well if there is evidence...

for the sexual harassment then I'd think it would be a good thing the victims had access to it for free.

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #20)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 01:26 PM

22. THEY are the claimants. THEY should be providing the evidence. THEY should show the filing papers.

THEY should have lawyers. That's called the claimants' burden of proof.

You think it would be a good thing for evidence to just be dumped, for free, into their laps, huh?
Do you even know or care about the defendant's right of assumed innocence until proven guilty?

None of what they're doing is a good thing.
If Karen Hinton and Lindsey Boylan are telling the truth, they should back it up evidence legally -- that's THEIR burden of proof. Or take their evidence-free hurt feelings and go sit down.

They sound like Republicans who got nothing.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #22)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 01:37 PM

23. Yes, if there is actual evidence that Cuomo sexually harrased someone I do think it would be a good

thing that the victim got access to the evidence for free.

> defendant's right of assumed innocence until proven guilty?

There isn't a criminal trial here.





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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #23)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 01:42 PM

25. Good luck with that. "Access to evidence." Such as what.

Civil trials require evidence, too. Hearsay? Good luck with that as qualifying evidence, or even evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #22)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 01:39 PM

24. Boylan said she was on a plane alone with Cuomo, an aide and a state trooper....

 

Cuomo has several witnesses and official flight logs that say they were never alone on a plane together with just an aide and trooper present.."Girouard cited flight logs detailing Cuomo’s plane trips in Oct. 2017, saying there was "no flight where Lindsey was alone with the governor, a single press aide and a NYS trooper." Girouard cited a joint statement from several former aides who she said shared flights with the governor and Boylan during that period – John Maggiore, Howard Zemsky, Dani Lever and Abbey Fashouer Collins – who denied the event occurred as Boylan described.
"We were on each of these October flights and this conversation did not happen," the aides said."...Also Boylan is running for office (again) when she is making these accusations...and ironically she was forced to resign because of complaints from coworkers toward her. As I have said before, believe the woman, do not dismiss the accusations, but let an investigation play out to see what is or isn't uncovered. Who was the press aide, who was the trooper, get their stories, etc. I believe the second accuser didn't come forward other than a tweet in reply to Boylan...and it was the NYT that had to go to her to get her story public

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Response to caber09 (Reply #24)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 01:53 PM

26. Fine. Let this get sorted out. The claimant-not-yet-plaintiff, is getting all her work done for her.

Believe the woman who uses this claim while running for office?
Essentialist feminism says that women are essentially more honest than men, right?

NYT sought her out, had to go to her, as you say.

Yeah, that's the news that's "fit to print," all right.

The NYT doesn't like Cuomo AND the NYT didn't like Hillary, either. This is press-driven hype to drive out a good, even great, Democratic leader.

When women file legal charges, then yes, believe the women. Otherwise, the press and these women are exploiting non-rule of law history to extract some advantage. Not kosher, as my NYC friends say.

Don't believe the hype.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #26)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 02:01 PM

29. Are you responding to me? I am agreeing with you lol

 

Yes if she isn't filing civil or criminal charges, whats the end game here? I agree..she should've filed charges

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Response to caber09 (Reply #29)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 02:07 PM

31. Oh, I know you're agreeing! I'm just arguing for how the other witnesses' hearsay beats hers.

I hear ya and do understand.
We're with our Democratic leaders from Franken to Cuomo.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #31)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 02:16 PM

32. Agreed & Agreed, thanks for clarifying...lets stand with them and let investigation play out

 

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 01:00 PM

19. After the false charges against Al Franken I am for a complete review

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 01:59 PM

28. Under Siege, Cuomo Revises Plan to Review Sex Harassment Claims

Gov. Andrew Cuomo on Sunday retreated from his plan to have a former federal judge, who has close ties to one of the governor’s closest allies, investigate claims against him of sexual harassment.

Mr. Cuomo said that he would ask Letitia James, New York’s attorney general, and Janet DiFiore, the chief judge on New York State’s highest court, to jointly pick someone to investigate sexual harassment accusations lodged by two women who worked in the Cuomo administration.

The move came amid mounting criticism over Mr. Cuomo’s initial choice of Barbara S. Jones, a former federal judge who worked with Mr. Cuomo’s longtime adviser, Steven M. Cohen, after leaving the bench.

In an effort “to avoid even the perception of a lack of independence or inference of politics,” the Cuomo administration has asked Ms. James and Judge DiFiore to “jointly select an independent and qualified lawyer in private practice without political affiliation to conduct a thorough review of the matter and issue a public report,” Beth Garvey, a special counsel to the governor, said in a statement.


Read the rest at: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/28/nyregion/cuomo-investigation-sex-harassment.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 04:10 PM

33. The problem is there's already a process for this type of investigation laid out

and it should fall to the State AG to perform the investigation, as dictated by the laws of NY. Cuomo shouldn't be able to make up his own review process overseen by a political ally.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 05:11 PM

34. Cuomo deliberately blocked progressive reforms in NY state. Get him out!

Yes it was nice to see someone aggressive enough to push back against Trump on covid strategy, but overall Cuomo has been a net negative for NY state. Cuomo is why (for example) NY has some of the very worst Medical Marijuana laws in America (you can only get MM here if you have a major illness like cancer). It wasn't until recently when NY's "IDC" faction was defeated (democrats who caucused with Republicans!) that things are finally beginning to change, but no thanks to Cuomo.

Cuomo set up a corruption investigation into his own administration, then he dissolved the panel before they could reveal their findings.

TL;DR - Cuomo stinks, and any progressive NY Democrat should CHEER when he leaves office, hopefully ASAP.

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Response to PBass (Reply #34)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 09:03 AM

37. Yup.

Thanks for summarizing this for others.

I have really been impressed with Cuomo’s handling of the pandemic.
But in the back of my mind, I have not forgiven him for the issues you highlighted above.
I supported past primaries against him and would be happy to get a more progressive Governor next. But his tough tactics against Trump were badly needed at the time, and appreciated!! Wish the admin had handled the NH reporting differently.

Lastly, I think we need to be careful how we go forward though. The last thing we need is to have some horrible mess that somehow leaves us with a REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR when the dust settles. The reason I say this is because there are more and more Trump supporters in Staten Island and Brooklyn who might vote for aRepublican. NY is a blue state but the rural areas are red.

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Response to Karma13612 (Reply #37)

Mon Mar 1, 2021, 04:43 PM

45. Nah.

Because if "impressed" is your standard for keeping a Democratic governor, you might consider a less negative and more balanced summation. But maybe the negative is all you notice, who knows. If you worry about another Republican contender, you and Cuomo's other detractors here might also consider

1.
Of the thousand things he had to decide, do and show up for to save millions out of NY's 19 million over a year ago,
-- with no info about the tens of thousands coming in from Europe with covid in February and March,
-- with obstruction and twitter bullshit, no supplies, no money, no medical information from Trump;
-- with NO Democratic governors getting one damn thing from that vicious crook.

A year later, after all the above, he gets one damn thing wrong like a late report to the Albany legislature, that the legislature agreed could come later, given that he was so 24/7 busy
and his own party piles on the side of that whiny ego point scoring reporter & legislator who tried to make a federal case out of one misstep, with their all-or-nothing perfectionist huffery.
All that was wrong and stupid enough.

2.
NOW come sexual -- yes, sexual -- harassment allegations from a 62 year-old and a 36 year-old former female coworkers.

Before Covid, Governor Cuomo has won against more Republican opponents than any other NY Governor.
Before Covid, Cuomo won by bigger vote margins of any of his Democratic predecessors in NY history.

But hell no, around here he's not good enough to be a Democratic governor for some!

So here they are, all facts weighed, ready to just fault find and throw his ass under the bus, all facts weight, when allegations -- mere allegations -- come up.

3.
I support Democrats. Not perfect Democrats. Democrats.
I don't have to always agree with them, they don't have to be flawless for me to support them.
That makes a unified party.

Unity = mutual support despite differences.

If 60% of New York voted for this Democrat;
if his own world famous Health Commissioner and doctor defends his reports in a state with 51% privately owned nursing homes, with 70% of the whole country's nursing homes being privately run, AND whose dubious and late and non-existent reporting on their own covid deaths have hampered accuracy and information for loved ones and Democratic governors of 49 other states, then
Governor Cuomo is good enough for me.

Bring on the investigation. Over allegations. pffffft

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 11:12 PM

35. Cuomo is now saying he is sorry for "any perceived unwanted flirtation."

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_603c20d3c5b617a7e40e8d67

But he denied touching anyone. Letitia James will get to the bottom of it.


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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 11:30 PM

36. Good. We'd still have Senator Franken if he'd insisted on a review. nt

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