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Sat Mar 27, 2021, 08:03 AM

2 dead, 8 others injured after shootings -- 1 officer-involved -- at Virginia Beach Oceanfront

Source: WAVY

2 dead, 8 others injured after shootings -- 1 officer-involved -- at Virginia Beach Oceanfront

by: WAVY Web Staff

Posted: Mar 27, 2021 / 12:26 AM EDT / Updated: Mar 27, 2021 / 07:14 AM EDT

VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. (WAVY) -- Police confirm there are two people dead and numerous others injured after multiple shootings -- one of which was officer-involved -- at the Virginia Beach Oceanfront Friday night.

Police Chief Paul Neudigate said the preliminary count for the number of people shot is 10: A "male" was killed by police, a woman died from other gunfire, and eight were injured.

The eight people's injuries range from serious to life-threatening.

Neudigate said police officers on patrol responded to an initial shooting at 20th Street and Atlantic Avenue. Dispatchers said the calls came in around 11:20 p.m. EST. Neudigate said numerous shots were fired and eight people were injured.

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Read more: https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/virginia-beach/shooting-reported-at-oceanfront-late-friday-large-police-presence/



Oddly, I couldn't find the story in the Virginian-Pilot. I'll give that another look.

I usually think of these as local stories, but this made the opening of Good Morning America at 8:00 a.m.

Also, yesterday was the first warm day of the year. It won't be as warm in Virginia Beach today as it was yesterday. There are showers in the forecast for later today.

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Reply 2 dead, 8 others injured after shootings -- 1 officer-involved -- at Virginia Beach Oceanfront (Original post)
mahatmakanejeeves Mar 27 OP
BradBo Mar 27 #1
onetexan Mar 27 #2
Aristus Mar 27 #3
PatSeg Mar 27 #5
EX500rider Mar 27 #11
PatSeg Mar 27 #12
Hawker123 Mar 27 #14
PatSeg Mar 27 #18
Hawker123 Mar 27 #19
AndyS Mar 27 #15
AllyCat Mar 27 #10
ananda Mar 27 #4
George II Mar 27 #6
AndyS Mar 27 #16
Jerry2144 Mar 27 #17
Steelrolled Mar 27 #28
BumRushDaShow Mar 27 #7
Steelrolled Mar 27 #23
BumRushDaShow Mar 27 #25
discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 27 #30
BumRushDaShow Mar 27 #31
joetheman Mar 27 #8
oldsoftie Mar 27 #9
AndyS Mar 27 #13
oldsoftie Mar 27 #21
Steelrolled Mar 27 #26
oldsoftie Mar 27 #29
maxsolomon Mar 27 #20
Deminpenn Mar 27 #22
virgdem Mar 27 #24
LiberalLovinLug Mar 27 #27
Trust_Reality Mar 27 #32
live love laugh Mar 27 #33

Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 08:16 AM

1. America is the Wild West.

Outlaw hangguns, assault rifles and open and counseled carry.

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Response to BradBo (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 08:21 AM

2. Pretty much

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Response to BradBo (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 08:43 AM

3. Shit. The Wild West had stronger gun control than we do now.

n/t

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Response to Aristus (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 09:00 AM

5. And they didn't use military style weapons

with high capacity magazines. It might have been "wild" and people might have gotten violent and reckless, but I don't think there was this kind of mindless mass killings.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 10:06 AM

11. "And they didn't use military style weapons"

Actually they did, just from a earlier generation.
Many handguns used in the Old West were Civil War surplus like the Colt Model 1848 Percussion Army Revolver, a .44 caliber revolver designed by Samuel Colt for the U.S. Army's Regiment of Mounted Rifles.
And at the time a six shooter was high capacity compared to earlier single shot muzzle loaders.

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #11)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 10:15 AM

12. Okay

They didn't use contemporary military style weapons.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #12)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 10:28 AM

14. They did for the time

 

It was contemporary for the time it happened.

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Response to Hawker123 (Reply #14)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 10:52 AM

18. Oh my god, now we are nitpicking

that statement to death. I think everyone knew what I meant in my original statement.

Welcome to DU!

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #18)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 11:13 AM

19. Thank you

 

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #11)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 10:33 AM

15. Okay, your choice:

You want to go up against some idiot with a Model 1848 or some variation of an AR15?

Up to you. Keep in mind that the idiot will always have the advantage.

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Response to BradBo (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 10:03 AM

10. Stupid, stupid guns.

The things you mention are not needed for defense or hunting. End them all.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 08:45 AM

4. Yep, back to the wild west 'n all.

What .. a .. thing.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 09:03 AM

6. I wonder why they put "male" in quotation marks?

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Response to George II (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 10:35 AM

16. 'Cause like so many gunners his winky is so tiny they didn't see it at first?

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Response to AndyS (Reply #16)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 10:51 AM

17. He was packing

He was packing a PNS X-10DR.

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Response to George II (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 01:35 PM

28. I think because it was a quote.

The reporter wants to emphasize that this is what someone said, rather than it being established fact.

Of course, reporters are not very consistent in trying to make clear the difference between fact and speculation. And speculation is much more interesting.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 09:13 AM

7. I heard this on KYW this morning from a CBS news report

2 dead, 8 wounded in Virginia Beach oceanfront shootings

March 27, 2021 / 7:41 AM / AP

Two people are dead and eight people were wounded in shootings along Virginia Beach's oceanfront, police said Saturday. Eight people were shot just after 11 p.m. Friday, Virginia Beach police said in a news release. All eight were taken to local hospitals, with some of their conditions ranging from serious to life-threatening.

One woman died of a gunshot wound on the scene, the release said. At an earlier news conference, police Chief Paul Neudigate said the death possibly stemmed from an unrelated shooting. The release also said one officer suffered minor injuries. Neudigate had said the officer was struck by a vehicle during the investigation.

A different officer fatally shot a man at the shooting scene. While officers were investigating the original shooting, shots were fired nearby, Neudigate said. The officer confronted the man, leading to the deadly gunfire.

The officer has been placed on administrative leave. He has been with the department for five years and is assigned to its special operations division.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/virginia-beach-shootings-2-dead-8-wounded/


We had our own "mass shooting" overnight here at a sports bar with 7 shot -

7 People Shot Outside Philadelphia Sports Bar

By Associated Press, Wire Service Content March 26, 2021, at 10:59 p.m.
U.S. News & World Report

PHILADELPHIA (AP) Seven people were wounded in a Friday night shooting in Philadelphia, police there said. Three of the wounded were in critical condition four were stable, news outlets reported. A person of interest was in custody.

The shooting took place outside Golf & Social, a three-floor sports bar in the city's riverfront Northern Liberties district. A man who answered the phone at the bar declined to comment, saying he couldn't give clear information as the shooting happened outside the venue.

The situation started as an altercation inside the bar that spilled outside, according to news outlets.

The bar, located near the Delaware River bank, is across the street from the Rivers Casino.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/pennsylvania/articles/2021-03-26/7-people-shot-outside-philadelphia-sports-bar


Sorry a little OT but it's interesting how they characterize the neighborhood where our local shooting took place - some, including the Philly Inquirer and CBS3 claiming it was in "Fishtown" and others including AP and 6ABC are claiming it is "Northern Liberties". They have been gentrifying both neighborhoods, although Northern Liberties, which is just north of "Olde City", is further along in that endeavor, so it looks like some "political" shifting going on regarding where it "occurred".

And LOL - just found this that might be part of the "problem" - https://www.phillyvoice.com/maps-make-you-wonder-what-fishtown/



(the green is generally where Northern Liberties is just north of the Ben Franklin bridge and the red is generally where Fishtown is... sortof )

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #7)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 01:18 PM

23. My new theory of journalism

It is can be politicized, it will be politicized. No story is complete without it.

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Response to Steelrolled (Reply #23)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 01:25 PM

25. It's the "filling of column inches"

and "broadcast time" to get those eyeballs.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #7)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 03:07 PM

30. Philly neighborhoods are many and varied.

I've seen the evening news name the wrong neighborhood for a location now and then. I mostly watch the channel 3 news. I've lived in Mayfair, Holmesburg, Port Richmond and East Germantown. I guess they try to name an area to get the attention of more people.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #30)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 03:13 PM

31. Oh I know but I think in this case

because both are actively being gentrified, there might be that... ahem... attempt to move the "crime" to a different neighborhood!

(I live in NW Philly by the way and they often screw up where the Oak Lanes begin/end with respect to Germantown and the Mt. Airys so... )

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 09:34 AM

8. Hmm. I have a strange feeling about the officer shooting incident.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 09:38 AM

9. Hopefully the one killed by police was the shooter.

And if so, he shouldnt be listed with the innocent.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 10:17 AM

13. This is NOT unusual. 2019 with 365 days had 417 mas shootings.

2020 had more.

We're off to just another regular year.

Lather rinse repeat. Followed by:

Thoughts and prayers . . .
It's too soon . . .
A good guy with a gun . . .
Laws only affect law abidin' citizens . . .
If guns are outlawed . . .

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Response to AndyS (Reply #13)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 12:25 PM

21. "mass shootings" as defined by the media, not law enforcement.

If 3 people get shot in the leg it will still be reported as a "mass shooting". Familicides are also included to make it even more "scary"
The public looks at familial crime and random crime totally different. The media should too

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #21)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 01:29 PM

26. You are right. The attitude towards shootings

is so odd. A number of shootings in one day in a city like New Orleans or Chicago aren't news, unless they are all together.

I have always felt that if it was pets being shot, something would be done. Humans don't get the same level of sympathy.

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Response to Steelrolled (Reply #26)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 02:49 PM

29. Yes, you're right, we will get totally pissed at animal abuse!

Guilty!

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 11:57 AM

20. I'm going to speculate that these weren't rampage shootings

like atlanta or boulder.

the first was likely a "respect" shooting, where a confrontation between testosterone-addled young males in a crowd leads to chaotic gunfire.

the second was apparently a confrontation with police, where an armed suspect is confronted and is summarily executed when they don't comply immediately.

guns make everything worse.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #20)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 12:52 PM

22. Was going to say the same,

somebody said something somebody else didn't like and out came the guns to settle things.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 01:25 PM

24. There's not much you'll find in the Pilot.

They gave me a free paper for 3 months, and I was not impressed.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 01:34 PM

27. I do not want this to happen but.............

I wonder if it was some angry mentally ill left winger who shot up some Republican rally, or some white church in a heavy Republican district if there'd be more of an appetite for change from Republicans. What would it take? Maybe 2 or 3 of those in a row?

I know its macabre to think about it, but sometimes I wonder....what it would take? Because I suspect that there is more than one MAGAT that secretly admires the RW shooters for doing what they wish they could do....kill a bunch of liberal scum or dirty immigrants or nwords. But if the shoe was on the other foot, they may be shocked into realizing they have to have limits in order to keep the antifa child rapists from taking over.

Nah....who am I kidding. They'd react by enacting even more open carry laws and increasing the police military budget.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 05:25 PM

32. Another REPUBLICAN AIDED SHOOTING

I think 90 - 100% of Rs vote against or otherwise block gun management legislation.

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Response to Trust_Reality (Reply #32)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 06:51 PM

33. +1

Messaging matters. I hope yours takes flight.

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