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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 08:55 AM Apr 2021

Schumer: Senate will act on marijuana legalization with or without Biden

Source: Politico


The majority leader shared his plans for cannabis legislation with POLITICO in an exclusive interview.

By NATALIE FERTIG

04/03/2021 07:00 AM EDT

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer really likes to talk about weed.

Schumer has been making waves on cannabis policy since he first introduced a bill to legalize marijuana in April 2018. It was part of his pitch for voting Democrat in the 2020 election, and now — with the majority in hand — he is putting together new federal marijuana reform legislation with Sens. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) and Ron Wyden (D-Ore.).

This week, Schumer’s home state of New York legalized marijuana use for adults, after years of failed efforts. More than 40 percent of Americans now live in states that have embraced full legalization.

President Joe Biden has been a conspicuous outlier among Democrats when it comes to supporting marijuana legalization. But Schumer said Biden’s reticence won’t deter the Senate from taking aggressive action to loosen federal restrictions.

Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/03/schumer-senate-marijuana-legalization-478963

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Schumer: Senate will act on marijuana legalization with or without Biden (Original Post) DonViejo Apr 2021 OP
Translation: Dems like being popular. aocommunalpunch Apr 2021 #1
Schumer is right. Phoenix61 Apr 2021 #2
I think he will as well PatSeg Apr 2021 #7
Biden isn't stuck in anything at all. Read the article, nowhere in it did Biden.... George II Apr 2021 #12
We want more studies, we want more information, we want more conversation Shermann Apr 2021 #26
No, no, no. He never mentioned "studies" or "conversations", he said "INFORMATION"..... George II Apr 2021 #27
I think Joe is handling this perfectly. WinstonSmith4740 Apr 2021 #29
Exactly. His position as a Catholic is a great example. He's 100% against abortion, but won't.... George II Apr 2021 #30
I thought I had read something about that! WinstonSmith4740 Apr 2021 #39
Good point! Cha Apr 2021 #46
So the article doesn't specifically say Biden is delaying, therefore he isn't delaying? Shermann Apr 2021 #32
Biden has come out saying he's good with Phoenix61 Apr 2021 #36
TY for that.. If Pres Biden Cha Apr 2021 #45
naw, he is stuck Skittles Apr 2021 #48
This 'gateway' thing reminds me of a story. PatrickforB Apr 2021 #16
Yep! I could get weed all day long in middle school. Phoenix61 Apr 2021 #37
government legal prices are so high street dealers can easily undercut. organized crime is msongs Apr 2021 #42
It's Time Joe colsohlibgal Apr 2021 #3
Maybe it's a Delaware thing Delarage Apr 2021 #4
FWIW most states have legalized via ballot initatives. uncle ray Apr 2021 #5
I think we need a 3/5 majority or somesuch shit in the legislature Walleye Apr 2021 #9
Yes! Haggard Celine Apr 2021 #6
Another Politico divisive headline (not yours, sir!) Schumer did NOT say "with or without Biden"... George II Apr 2021 #8
It's what politico does. Voltaire2 Apr 2021 #14
Good point on Politico. PatrickforB Apr 2021 #18
I Don't Think RobinA Apr 2021 #54
Thanks for this, I'm glad you pointed out Politico's angle. nt ramen Apr 2021 #20
Oh gawd.. TY for the Cha Apr 2021 #47
And legalize growing at home madville Apr 2021 #10
Amen to this berniesandersmittens Apr 2021 #17
Which state is that? Unwind Your Mind Apr 2021 #25
Good political move. JoeOtterbein Apr 2021 #11
Frankly DENVERPOPS Apr 2021 #22
Good! SheltieLover Apr 2021 #13
Keep pushing riversedge Apr 2021 #15
Democrats in power and legal dope? Botany Apr 2021 #19
Right Wing Christian Conservatives heads will be figuring out how to make money off of it. KS Toronado Apr 2021 #21
"Right Wing Christian Conservatives heads will be figuring out how to make money off of it." LiberalLovinLug Apr 2021 #34
Damn DENVERPOPS Apr 2021 #23
Damn that's one great photo. Is that an actual place say your back yard vista? RestoreAmerica2020 Apr 2021 #28
West Virginia .... New River Gorge Botany Apr 2021 #35
Glad to see how progressive Dems are getting. What a difference four years makes. jalan48 Apr 2021 #24
Common sense legalization needed HalfSleeves81 Apr 2021 #31
I've been watching a documentary series on Hulu called Homicide Hunter. On the 9th season now. rickyhall Apr 2021 #33
Good. They each have their own job to do. If the Senate brings the bill to Biden, he will sign it.nt Hekate Apr 2021 #38
Sounds like a plan. BlueWavePsych Apr 2021 #40
If Chuck thinks he can get THAT past a Republican filibuster, he must be high... regnaD kciN Apr 2021 #41
Oddly enough there just might be Voltaire2 Apr 2021 #43
And they would love to pass something Joe is against nt Tree Lady Apr 2021 #52
Post removed Post removed Apr 2021 #44
Don't know of any president that has ever promoted drug legalization..Obama, Maxheader Apr 2021 #49
It is legal in 15 states. Voltaire2 Apr 2021 #50
Not necessarily true HalfSleeves81 Apr 2021 #51
I'm glad.. Maxheader Apr 2021 #53

aocommunalpunch

(4,236 posts)
1. Translation: Dems like being popular.
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 08:58 AM
Apr 2021

This is not reading the room. This is listening to the room fucking scream at you and politely nodding your head in affirmation. Try doing that with other legislation and negotiating tactics. The results may surprise you.

Phoenix61

(17,003 posts)
2. Schumer is right.
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 08:59 AM
Apr 2021

I think Biden may be stuck in the “marijuana as a gateway drug” trap. (It’s not. Cigarettes are.) I think Biden will come around. The same way Pelosi came around to impeaching the former guy.

PatSeg

(47,419 posts)
7. I think he will as well
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 09:38 AM
Apr 2021

Biden is a very reasonable person and I think he can be persuaded. This is one of the few thing I disagree with him about.

George II

(67,782 posts)
12. Biden isn't stuck in anything at all. Read the article, nowhere in it did Biden....
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 09:43 AM
Apr 2021

....say he's against it. He wants more information, that's all.

This is what Schumer actually said:

"Well, he said he'd like to see more information on the issue. I respect that.", and "He said he's studying the issue..."

He's not a no and he's not a yes. Let's stop telling Biden what to do or characterizing his position even before he presents his position himself.

Shermann

(7,413 posts)
26. We want more studies, we want more information, we want more conversation
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 11:36 AM
Apr 2021

...we make no firm statements ourselves.

So that's really a talking point meant to delay and deny. Where have we seen that before?

I accept that Biden has higher priorities right now, but this is settled science going back decades. To delay and deny on this issue is to flirt with having an anti-science position on it.

George II

(67,782 posts)
27. No, no, no. He never mentioned "studies" or "conversations", he said "INFORMATION".....
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 11:41 AM
Apr 2021

That could very likely be things like how will legalization be implemented, will it be taxed, will it be controlled, etc.

Nothing at all about "delay and deny". NOTHING. So obviously we haven't seen this before.

Why is it always a negative if it isn't done NOW?

WinstonSmith4740

(3,056 posts)
29. I think Joe is handling this perfectly.
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 11:58 AM
Apr 2021

If he came out as a proponent of federal legalization, the Rethugs would clutch their pearls and HOWL about how Joe is trying to push drugs on OUR CHILDREN!!!! Greene or Boebert would file impeachment charges. It would be the lead and only story on Fox for weeks. (Matt who?) This way, he's educating himself on the most recent research, and will go with the will of the people, even if he still personally disagrees. As a practicing, devout Catholic, he's done it with the abortion issue for years...this is a walk in the park.

George II

(67,782 posts)
30. Exactly. His position as a Catholic is a great example. He's 100% against abortion, but won't....
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 12:04 PM
Apr 2021

....stand in the way of pro-abortion legislation. To him (like me) it's up to the individual.

By the way, Greene has already filed an Article of Impeachment:

H. Res. 57

Impeaching Joseph R. Biden, President of the United States, for abuse of power by enabling bribery and other high crimes and misdemeanors.

Filed about 6 weeks ago, zero Cosponsors. It's still sitting there, referred to two committees.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,056 posts)
39. I thought I had read something about that!
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 03:08 PM
Apr 2021

I was never a big fan of John Boehner, but he's hit it right on the head in his book...ever since 2008, any lunatic with an "R" after their name could get elected. Most the republican caucus fits into that description now. They're either stupid, crazy, or craven sycophants. Actually, that pretty much describes all of them today.

Shermann

(7,413 posts)
32. So the article doesn't specifically say Biden is delaying, therefore he isn't delaying?
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 12:18 PM
Apr 2021

Of course he is delaying. He could end federal restrictions with the stroke of a pen, and hasn't done that. States are the laboratories of democracy, and the results of the weed experiment are peer-reviewed and published. IT'S FINE.

In Biden's defense, he didn't run on this issue and made no campaign promises regarding it. He's not big on surprises, so it is what it is and we are where we are.

Anybody who cares about marijuana decriminalization can be justifiably frustrated with the rate of progress, especially at the federal level. This is feeling like a missed opportunity in progress.

Phoenix61

(17,003 posts)
36. Biden has come out saying he's good with
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 02:56 PM
Apr 2021

decriminalizing it but not legalizing it. He has said that more than once. I’m not surprised he told Schumer he’s open to looking at information but that doesn’t change what he has already said.

Cha

(297,190 posts)
45. TY for that.. If Pres Biden
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 08:52 PM
Apr 2021

thought it was a "gateway drug.." he wouldn't think it should be "de-criminalized".

PatrickforB

(14,572 posts)
16. This 'gateway' thing reminds me of a story.
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 10:16 AM
Apr 2021

I was at an economic development event back in the day, and got in an argument with a guy who said that marijuana was a gateway drug.

I told him that back in the way-back-when, when we were in junior high and a bag was $15, the same pusher who had the pot also had the pills and the powders. So, naturally, when he had you as a customer for a while, it was easy to say, hey, I have some reds or whatever that you should try.

But now that marijuana has been legalized, it is sold in clean, heavily regulated, heavily taxed outlets - either dispensaries or retail stores, and that those pushers don't even run in the same circles. So, legalization actually removed pot as a gateway drug.

Besides, I went on, prohibitions only create organized crime. We know this from both the Prohibition and the War on Drugs. Vicious cartels. Legalize, pull their fangs, collect taxes, and better control distribution by age. Way to go.

He shook his head. But I am right here, and so is Schumer. Legalize, baby, legalize!

Phoenix61

(17,003 posts)
37. Yep! I could get weed all day long in middle school.
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 02:57 PM
Apr 2021

Beer was a lot harder. My dealer didn’t card me but the store clerk always did.

msongs

(67,404 posts)
42. government legal prices are so high street dealers can easily undercut. organized crime is
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 05:50 PM
Apr 2021

benefiting from legal weed too

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
3. It's Time Joe
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 09:10 AM
Apr 2021

You have otherwise shown signs of being an FDR type Democratic force this is a chance to continue that momentum.

Alcohol is a bigger problem for the most part. And legalization is inevitable why not add that to your accomplishments?

And plaudits to Schumer I wouldn’t have guessed he was pro legalization.

Delarage

(2,186 posts)
4. Maybe it's a Delaware thing
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 09:15 AM
Apr 2021

We have Democrats in charge of everything but legalizing marijuana never gets anywhere. With our majorities here, we should be able to grow it in our yards if we wanted.

Walleye

(31,017 posts)
9. I think we need a 3/5 majority or somesuch shit in the legislature
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 09:39 AM
Apr 2021

Should’ve passed years ago. Governor Jack Markell would’ve Pushed it harder, I think.

George II

(67,782 posts)
8. Another Politico divisive headline (not yours, sir!) Schumer did NOT say "with or without Biden"...
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 09:38 AM
Apr 2021

....and even the article didn't say Biden was against it.

Schumer said, "I want to make my arguments to him, as many other advocates will..", meaning a detailed and serious discussion with Biden hasn't even taken place yet. But Politico has to insinuate divisiveness, giving the appearance that Biden doesn't agree with Schumer.

In fact, this is what Schumer said about it:

"..he said he'd like to see more information on the issue. I respect that. I certainly will have an ongoing conversation with him, and tell him how my views evolved."

Biden has NEVER said he was totally against it, and Schumer didn't say Biden was against it.

And Schumer never said explicitly he'd move forward "with or without Biden."

Voltaire2

(13,023 posts)
14. It's what politico does.
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 09:47 AM
Apr 2021

You should keep that in mind when discussing other articles from politico and similar sources about other Democratic politicians.

PatrickforB

(14,572 posts)
18. Good point on Politico.
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 10:20 AM
Apr 2021

I don't think Biden is the bad guy here, either. He is just a bit more hesitant, and will very likely turn around on the issue.

Pot really should be legalized. It has become a $2billion industry in my state, and that's no joke. It provides a good number of decent-paying jobs, and has pulled the fangs from some of these cartels.

RobinA

(9,888 posts)
54. I Don't Think
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 12:06 PM
Apr 2021

we are anywhere near the point of having an American President come out in favor of federal legalization of pot. Too risky. It will have to be done, and probably will be done, by Congress. That said, Biden is not the guy to be the President who does come out in support of legalization. If one ever does. That's not a dis against him, he's just a cautious guy.

madville

(7,410 posts)
10. And legalize growing at home
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 09:41 AM
Apr 2021

The prices and taxes on “legal” government approved weed are ridiculous and unaffordable to most poor people. I know people spending $100 or more a week on “prescription” weed in my state. I can brew beer at home but can’t grow a plant? Medical pot is just a huge money-making scheme to the politicians and their business associates.

Unwind Your Mind

(2,041 posts)
25. Which state is that?
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 11:30 AM
Apr 2021

I’m always surprised that I can walk out with some good stuff for the same price we paid 35 years ago. There’s definitely some that costs more (or less even) and our sales tax is 20% but still, not a bad deal.

Eta, California here

DENVERPOPS

(8,817 posts)
22. Frankly
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 11:13 AM
Apr 2021

I am shocked that Big Tobacco hasn't found a way to monopolize it and control it all for themselves and their profits.......
We already have a U.S. Drug Cartel, and a U.S. Alcohol Cartel.

The citizens of the U.S. most assuredly need some type of "help" from their friends, to fathom the shit going on in the Goverment's politics all across the land. ...........

Botany

(70,501 posts)
19. Democrats in power and legal dope?
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 10:31 AM
Apr 2021

Have I died and gone to heaven?



Right Wing Christian Conservatives heads must be 'sploding.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
34. "Right Wing Christian Conservatives heads will be figuring out how to make money off of it."
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 02:29 PM
Apr 2021

Yup.

Here in Canada, before legalization, for Conservatives it was all fire and brimstone if the Liberals even dared to think about legalizing it.

But as they were leaving, when Trudeau had won his first term, knowing legalization was inevitable, as it was a Liberal promise, they used their money and position and influence on the way out the door to invest controlling interests in emerging mega corporate pot farms.

Conservatives the world over are easy to define by what they hold dear. Its not tackling drug addiction, and the toll it takes on communities, its not the sanctity of traditional marriage, its not fiscal responsibility for the nation. Its MONEY.....in their pockets. That is their god.

RestoreAmerica2020

(3,435 posts)
28. Damn that's one great photo. Is that an actual place say your back yard vista?
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 11:45 AM
Apr 2021

..Biden has said that he'll support decriminalizing [vs legalizing perhaps its just.semantics ? ] cannibus.

Ok Joe--I say go for it--realease every person who is serving time for use/possesion; expunge their records and provide paid work training program to re-enter society

Something I've heard VP Harris propose--in addition to giving offenders an opportunity to work in, profit from cannibus industry [will add source on edit.] ..

Paz

 

HalfSleeves81

(15 posts)
31. Common sense legalization needed
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 12:12 PM
Apr 2021

I support legalization. Here in NY we did just that. Although I'm not in support of public consumption so maybe I'm still a square in that respect. We don't allow people to drink alcohol on a public sidewalk, the same should go for marijuana use since incidental contact can occur. Just my opinion.

rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
33. I've been watching a documentary series on Hulu called Homicide Hunter. On the 9th season now.
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 01:15 PM
Apr 2021

Want to how many murders were alcohol related? Nearly all. Pot related? ZERO. And pot's a federal crime but anyone over 21 can buy alcohol. What wrong with the picture?

Hekate

(90,674 posts)
38. Good. They each have their own job to do. If the Senate brings the bill to Biden, he will sign it.nt
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 03:07 PM
Apr 2021

Voltaire2

(13,023 posts)
43. Oddly enough there just might be
Sat Apr 3, 2021, 06:11 PM
Apr 2021

enough votes from their side to break a filibuster. Legalization is a hugely popular issue and the ‘libertarian wing’ of the party theoretically supports it.

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Maxheader

(4,373 posts)
49. Don't know of any president that has ever promoted drug legalization..Obama,
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 06:52 AM
Apr 2021

didn't. Worries about the overall affect on the country?

Kids doing dope? There would still be a black market.

And the violence it would bring. Highway accidents?

These things have to be considered when your the captain of the ship.....

Voltaire2

(13,023 posts)
50. It is legal in 15 states.
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 08:39 AM
Apr 2021

There has been no increase in highway fatalities. No increase in crime rates. No increase in pot usage. There has been a drastic decrease in pot arrests and incarcerations, probably that is the horror you should focus on.

FDR relegalized booze and got re-elected three times after that. Just as a point of reference.

 

HalfSleeves81

(15 posts)
51. Not necessarily true
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 11:10 AM
Apr 2021

In regards to driving while under the influence, statistic increases are mixed depending on time period and location. We should definitely focus more on enforcement training for police and it should not be legal to smoke on a sidewalk where everyone walks especially in high traffic areas. Make it legal, but let's have common sense.

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