France moves to ban short-haul domestic flights
Source: BBC
French lawmakers have moved to ban short-haul internal flights where train alternatives exist, in a bid to reduce carbon emissions. Over the weekend, lawmakers voted in favour of a bill to end routes where the same journey could be made by train in under two-and-a-half hours. Connecting flights will not be affected, however. The planned measures will face a further vote in the Senate before becoming law.
Airlines around the world have been severely impacted by the coronavirus pandemic, with website Flightradar24 reporting that the number of flights last year were down almost 42% from 2019. The measures could affect travel between Paris and cities including Nantes, Lyon and Bordeaux. But the French government had faced calls to introduce for even stricter rules on domestic flights.
France's Citizens' Convention on Climate, which was created by President Emmanuel Macron in 2019 and included 150 members of the public, had proposed scrapping plane journeys where train journeys of under four hours existed.
Saturday's vote came days after the French government more than doubled its stake in Air France. The government had previously offered 7bn ($8.3bn, £6bn) in loans to help the airline weather the pandemic, although France's economy minister said at the time the funding was dependent on the airline scrapping some of its domestic flights.
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3Hotdogs
(12,374 posts)to D.C. ?
underpants
(182,788 posts)Why try to fly with TSA and delays from DC to NYC or elsewhere when you know how long a trim takes and it always on time? Plus with free wifi you can work or just pass the time as you like.
Klaralven
(7,510 posts)Door to Door, driving from NJ to DC is quicker than rail or air.
Rail works only if the DC destination is on the Metro. Otherwise, the rental car facilities at train stations are far inferior to those at the airport. Renting a car at Union Station is expensive. Doesn't look like it's practical at New Carrollton, MD.
An airport style upgrade to car rentals at stations like New Carrollton, MD, MetroPark, NJ and Route 128, MA would be a good improvement to Acela service.
ZonkerHarris
(24,223 posts)brooklynite
(94,520 posts)ZonkerHarris
(24,223 posts)Diamond_Dog
(31,989 posts)Will this rule apply to the wealthy small private plane owners, too, or just to the masses who fly commercial?
Wolf Frankula
(3,600 posts)The private jets will now be able to land and take off faster. And everyone will be the 'Flyover People'.
Wolf
mnhtnbb
(31,384 posts)I quite happily ride the train when in France. Last trip we flew into Paris and took the train to Strasbourg, then Lyon, then Bordeaux, and back to Paris to fly home.
The TGV between Aix-en-Provence and Paris is a delightful ride.
Why would anyone fly those distances when such pleasant train transportation is available on a frequent schedule?
GoneOffShore
(17,339 posts)I'm looking forward to going to Paris again when we (France) opens up again and we can go further than 10Km from our front doors.
Plus it will be nice to go to Italy and Spain by train. Doubtful that we'll be flying much until there's a second round of booster vaccines.
DFW
(54,370 posts)What used to be a 2 hour 40 minute trip was shortened to an hour and 20 minutes by building a new direct route and hi-speed trains to travel it. We wheeled our luggage from the train platform to the elevator to the skyway, and then down an escalator (that was tricky) to the departure hall. we got to the check-in counter about 2 hours before departure, and even with the heightened document checks and security checks, we were in the departure area 45 minutes before they started boarding.
For longer hauls or for connections to early intercontinental flights, it still makes sense to have one or two connection flights, but other than that, the trains are adequate--IF they are on time (German trains are often late), an involve no cumbersome security lines or long hauls from an airport into the town center.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,853 posts)People often try to compare out train system to that in Europe, which is rather unfair simply because we are a whole lot larger. Although we could do a lot better, especially in the places where decent sized cities are not too far apart.
Here's a map, with Western Europe laid over the U.S.
iluvtennis
(19,852 posts)Tikki
(14,557 posts)It has been difficult planning trip(s) to use all the money held by the airline.
The airline doesn't always fly to the places we would like to visit.
The Tikkis
IronLionZion
(45,433 posts)we should do that more in the US in strategic areas. The northeast gets plenty of Amtrak use DC-NY-Boston and could use some upgrades. It could be expanded more in areas that are likely to use it.
bucolic_frolic
(43,146 posts)maybe pre 1980, when air travel was infrequent for most people because it was expensive. It was not exactly rationing. But then I never did adjust to jaunting all over for a weekend, just because you feel like it. With Zoom and home gigs, maybe we'll be a little less mobile.
Dial H For Hero
(2,971 posts)can pretty much fly anywhere in the world on impulse for virtually no cash (Covid aside since last year). I remember an acquaintance kind of freaking out when I told her I was flying to London just to see a couple of shows.
With Zoom and home gigs, maybe we'll be a little less mobile.
That may well be the case on the whole. Not for me, though. I have 3 international trips planned by January.
brooklynite
(94,520 posts)...we do not.
amcgrath
(397 posts)With tracks maintained properly, trains are faster than planes. Most cities have existing stations, and all of them downtown. Neither passengers nor freight have to drive to an airport on the outskirts of a town or city. They dont have to deal with check in or security. They dont get delayed or rerouted by fog or wind.
They dont have to be loaded with tugs and scissor lifts through small tight doors. A shipping container, loaded at the shippers leisure can simply be put onto a rail car.
A plane whether half or fully loaded must fly to its destination whole. To avoid space shortages, air freight carriers need enough planes with enough capacity for the busiest days. On the days a train may have less freight, it simply takes less cars. On busy days it adds extra cars rather than add a whole new train as planes must.
róisín_dubh
(11,794 posts)Whats the point? The train is easy, but it can be pricey in some places (Im looking at you, England). Im going to Scotland in May and we are debating between a flight and the train. Its much longer, but less stressful.
I once took a train from Madrid to Rdam. That was an experience.
royable
(1,264 posts)L.A. to Boston in 15 hours, with a few stops along the way? I would SO much prefer that over flying.
I once rode Paris to London through the Chunnel, my only experience on Europe's high-speed rail and France's "TGV." Granted, the train speeds in the UK were slower than in France, but what a delightful trip!
I'd like to see a nationwide network of high-speed rail in the infrastructure plan.
Raine
(30,540 posts)I wish it could be done here but I know that's not going to happen.