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brooklynite

(94,534 posts)
Wed May 19, 2021, 09:41 PM May 2021

GOP defections over Jan. 6 commission deliver rebuke to McCarthy

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Source: Politico

House GOP divisions were on full display Wednesday as dozens of Republicans broke with their party leadership and former President Donald Trump to support a proposed commission investigating the Jan. 6 siege on the Capitol.

The measure, which would task a bipartisan 10-person commission with delivering a report on the causes and facts of the insurrection by the end of the year, passed the House by a 252-175 vote with every Democrat and 35 Republicans in support.

It now heads to an uncertain future in the 50-50 Senate, where Minority Leader Mitch McConnell says he’ll oppose the legislation.

The big bipartisan vote was a major rebuke to House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, who worked hard to minimize the brewing rebellion in his ranks over the commission. During the vote, McCarthy huddled in the back of the chamber with his staff, watching the vote tally tick upward as Republican after Republican registered their “yes” vote.



Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/19/gop-mccarthy-jan-6-commission-489598




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GOP defections over Jan. 6 commission deliver rebuke to McCarthy (Original Post) brooklynite May 2021 OP
McCarthy, thinking he's as smart as a fox, gets eaten alive! Gotta love it! machoneman May 2021 #1
I'd like to see the same thing happen drmeow May 2021 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author machoneman May 2021 #3
Major rebuke? Not hardly IMHO Laura PourMeADrink May 2021 #4
Actually it was BumRushDaShow May 2021 #5
Agree if we are talking relatively only. Strikes me as a loser's way Laura PourMeADrink May 2021 #7
Most GOPers Elessar Zappa May 2021 #9
I think all of them who did that are (obviously) in swing districts BumRushDaShow May 2021 #10
You made me think about a related subject - the changing Laura PourMeADrink May 2021 #11
The GOP is definitely trying to stall it out of the news cycle. BumRushDaShow May 2021 #12
Yes, prosecutions will help, but intense utter rage diminished Laura PourMeADrink May 2021 #13
Lately, it seems like even one Republican going out of line is making big waves. I'll take 35! n/t Akoto May 2021 #14
I could hardly believe Arkansas' Womack and Hill voted with the Democrats. sinkingfeeling May 2021 #6
Yay Arkansas! Trump's probably asking people now how he Laura PourMeADrink May 2021 #8
*LOCKING* Spazito May 2021 #15

machoneman

(4,007 posts)
1. McCarthy, thinking he's as smart as a fox, gets eaten alive! Gotta love it!
Wed May 19, 2021, 09:51 PM
May 2021

More like a Dodo bird, dumb jackass, a lemming jumping off a cliff into the sea...yada, yada!

Up yours, dumb shit!

drmeow

(5,017 posts)
2. I'd like to see the same thing happen
Wed May 19, 2021, 10:27 PM
May 2021

in the Senate - a pipe dream, I know.

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
4. Major rebuke? Not hardly IMHO
Thu May 20, 2021, 12:03 AM
May 2021

BumRushDaShow

(128,930 posts)
5. Actually it was
Thu May 20, 2021, 05:14 AM
May 2021

in a "relative" sense because they pride themselves on lockstep voting.

Had heard a report on my local news radio earlier this morning- a NY GOPer who helped to spearhead that "bipartisan" thing -

35 Republicans buck Trump, back study of Jan. 6 Capitol riot

By ALAN FRAM today


WASHINGTON (AP) — Thirty-five House Republicans joined Democrats in voting to create a bipartisan commission to investigate the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, risking the wrath of former President Donald Trump and flouting GOP leaders who condemned the proposal as unfairly partisan and unneeded. The Republican mavericks were led Wednesday by New York Rep. John Katko, who wrote the measure with Homeland Security Committee Chairman Bennie Thompson, D-Miss. Katko, that panel’s top Republican, was battling two tides that have overwhelmed Congress in recent years: the nearly overwhelming potency Trump still has among Republicans and a jagged-edged partisanship that often confounds even mundane legislation.

“I encourage all members, Republicans and Democrats alike, to put down their swords for once, just for once, and support this bill,” Katko said before the House approved the measure. The 35 defectors represented a relatively modest but significant slice of House Republicans, of whom 175 opposed the legislation. Their defiance underscored the party’s rift as some lawmakers supported an investigation of the shocking and violent Capitol attack while leaders tried to avoid enraging the former president, whose support they believe they’ll need to win House control in the 2022 elections.

All 10 Republicans who voted in January to impeach Trump for encouraging his supporters to storm the Capitol supported the commission. Most of the 35 Republicans backing the commission were moderates. The 10 who backed impeachment included Katko and Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., Trump’s most prominent House GOP critic. She did not speak during Wednesday’s debate, but after the vote she tweeted a message urging the Senate to approve the commission, saying, “Some things must be above politics.” The vote came a week after her colleagues dumped her from a Republican leadership position for repeatedly criticizing Trump for his role in the attack and his false claims that he lost the election because of widespread voting fraud.

Opposing the commission was Rep. Greg Pence, R-Ind. His brother, former Vice President Mike Pence, was in the Capitol during the attack and was hustled to safety by security officers even as some in the pro-Trump mob were heard shouting “Hang Mike Pence.” Trump had turned on his vice president for not derailing Congress’ counting of the votes, which Pence did not have the constitutional power to do. A moderate and former prosecutor, Katko defended the proposed commission as a fair and needed step toward understanding the riot, how it happened and what security improvements the Capitol needs to prevent a future assault. “This is about fact. It is not partisan politics,” he said pointedly. Two other Republicans spoke in favor of the legislation: Fred Upton and Peter Meijer of Michigan. The two had also voted to impeach Trump.

https://apnews.com/article/politics-michael-pence-donald-trump-capitol-siege-government-and-politics-5200132c46aab8bf6f8f91923589d905
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
7. Agree if we are talking relatively only. Strikes me as a loser's way
Thu May 20, 2021, 08:08 AM
May 2021

of spinning a bad outcome.

If I was Trump, I'd be pretty damn happy with only 16% of people who were actually there voting against a commission! And, like your article says, mostly moderates and pro-impeachment types.

84% of people who may have thought they were literally gonna die that day, not voting for the commission is pretty sad.

That's an amazing piece of evidence that his hold is still very strong.

Elessar Zappa

(13,981 posts)
9. Most GOPers
Thu May 20, 2021, 08:29 AM
May 2021

are in lock step. Having 35 vote for a commission is the best we can get. The good thing is that it reflects very badly on the Republican Party.

BumRushDaShow

(128,930 posts)
10. I think all of them who did that are (obviously) in swing districts
Thu May 20, 2021, 08:31 AM
May 2021

where some of them are only there after having taken over their seats in the 2020 election, after Democrats had originally turned those seats blue in 2018. I remember there being ~25 "moderate" Republicans leading up to 2018 and now there appear to be those 35.

I fully expected this vote to just barely pass with maybe up to 225 - 230 votes max (Democrats have 219 members and there are 5 vacancies including 3 (D) seats).

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
11. You made me think about a related subject - the changing
Thu May 20, 2021, 09:26 AM
May 2021

News cycles and shortened attention spans of the public. I know, there are many causes for pulling together legislation taking so long. But, having things happen closer to when the events actually happened means everything in today's world. Look how police brutality has faded from the headlines.

I agree I guess that 28 to 35 is a small victory. But these people were actually in the related life or death situation! I bet if a commission vote had been held in February it might have been a lot higher.

BumRushDaShow

(128,930 posts)
12. The GOP is definitely trying to stall it out of the news cycle.
Thu May 20, 2021, 09:58 AM
May 2021

But the one thing that keeps yanking it back is the news of more arrests of the perpetrators of that event by DOJ, even 4 months later. And if any of the trials start happening, particularly for the more "colorful" characters, that will keep the hot coals simmering below the surface, with flare-ups now and then.

For example this is still on the DU front page under LBN - https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142746061

And from the OP article -

Attorney for ‘QAnon Shaman’ questions mental abilities of his client, others in Jan. 6 riot

By Brittany Shammas
May 19, 2021 at 7:30 p.m. EDT

The attorney representing Jacob Anthony Chansley, also known as the “QAnon Shaman,” has spent months arguing that Donald Trump is responsible for his client storming the Capitol on Jan. 6. Now, he says Chansley and other accused Capitol rioters were especially susceptible to being duped by baseless claims about election fraud. In expletive-laden remarks to Talking Points Memo, lawyer Albert Watkins pointed to their mental abilities, using a pejorative for people with intellectual disabilities.

“These are people with brain damage,” Watkins said. He went on to say that the alleged rioters deserved empathy, arguing they’re not “bad people.” Their actions came, he said, after they were subjected to what he described as “propaganda” not seen since Adolf Hitler.

Chansley, a 33-year-old, self-described shaman and QAnon digital warrior from Phoenix, quickly emerged as one of the most recognizable faces from the attack on the Capitol. Shirtless and tattooed, he wore horns and red-white-and-blue face paint while roaming the center of U.S. democracy. In his hands was a spear draped with an American flag. He has been in jail since his arrest on Jan. 11, despite his attorney’s many attempts to get him out. Watkins called on Trump to pardon Chansley and declared it a “betrayal” when his client did not get clemency. He argued his client was a peaceful protester and was not armed, despite the spear.

U.S. District Judge Royce C. Lamberth rejected those arguments, blasting them as “meritless,” “mistaken” and “so frivolous as to insult the Court’s intelligence.” He ordered that Chansley remain jailed until trial. The alleged rioter has remained in the news, at one point covertly giving a “60 Minutes+” interview from behind bars.

More: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/05/19/qanon-shaman-short-bus/

^^^bolding mine for emphasis

As long as you have "15-minutes-of-fame" defendants AND "15-minutes-of-fame" lawyers, this will actually stay in the news cycle. Because. Freakish.
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
13. Yes, prosecutions will help, but intense utter rage diminished
Thu May 20, 2021, 01:01 PM
May 2021

Perfect example - McCarthy

Akoto

(4,266 posts)
14. Lately, it seems like even one Republican going out of line is making big waves. I'll take 35! n/t
Thu May 20, 2021, 01:04 PM
May 2021

sinkingfeeling

(51,454 posts)
6. I could hardly believe Arkansas' Womack and Hill voted with the Democrats.
Thu May 20, 2021, 08:04 AM
May 2021
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
8. Yay Arkansas! Trump's probably asking people now how he
Thu May 20, 2021, 08:26 AM
May 2021

can get someone else's money to challenge them huh.

Spazito

(50,330 posts)
15. *LOCKING*
Thu May 20, 2021, 01:22 PM
May 2021

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