Israel announces ceasefire after 11 days of fierce battle with Hamas in Gaza

[BumRushDaShow]

Source: The Jerusalem Post

The Israeli security cabinet voted to accept a ceasefire late Thursday as the Israeli south and Gaza remain inflamed. Top world envoys had worked fervently to end the violence while Israel's security cabinet debated the details of a restoration of calm. An Egyptian security source - whose country has been mediating between the sides - said they had agreed in principle to a mutual halt in hostilities, but details needed to be worked out. US President Joe Biden spoke with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi of Egypt about ceasefire efforts.

According to Kan News, Israeli National Security advisor Meir Ben-Shabbat received a proposal for such a restoration of calm from the Egyptians, who along with the UN and others, are working for a truce 11 days after Hamas escalated tensions by shooting rockets at Jerusalem. Before the vote, Israeli government sources would not confirm that a ceasefire was imminent. Israeli cabinet ministers, other than Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Benny Gantz, went into the security cabinet meeting Thursday evening having heard about a pending ceasefire from foreign media, including Al-Jazeera and BBC, but without having been briefed on the matter.

"We have seen reports of a move toward a potential ceasefire. That's clearly encouraging," White House press secretary Jen Psaki told reporters in Washington. We believe the Israelis have achieved significant military objectives that they laid out to achieve, in relation to protecting their people and to responding to the thousands of rocket attacks from Hamas," Psaki said. "So that's why in part that we feel they're in a position to start winding their operation down," she said.

United States Ambassador to the United Nations Linda Thomas-Greenfeld told a special General Assembly meeting that the US was working to attain a trust and that "in the hours and days ahead, we will continue to relentlessly push for peace." US Deputy Assistant Secretary for Israel and Palestinian Affairs Hady Amr remained on the ground to advance those efforts. United Nations Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process Tor Wennesland was in Qatar on Thursday.

Read more: https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/no-rocket-sirens-since-1-am-as-israel-hamas-ceasefire-said-to-be-close-668607

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Heard CBS radio news break in with this on my local radio affiliate.

[Budi]

1. THIS is President Biden's strength, unmatched. "..the US was working to attain a trust"

HAMAS needs to be driven down 1st, to ever achieve peaceful resolutions between those Nations
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We believe the Israelis have achieved significant military objectives that they laid out to achieve, in relation to protecting their people and to responding to the thousands of rocket attacks from Hamas," Psaki said. "So that's why in part that we feel they're in a position to start winding their operation down," she said.

United States Ambassador to the United Nations Linda Thomas-Greenfeld told a special General Assembly meeting that the US was working to attain a trust and that "in the hours and days ahead, we will continue to relentlessly push for peace."

Thank You President Biden & your skilled diplomacy in walking this narrow line of foreign policy.

THIS is President Biden's strength, unmatched.


"..the US was working to attain a trust"

[peppertree]

3. +1

Blessed be the peacemakers.

[George II]

2. I just heard this on the radio myself on the way home from dinner pickup. Good news. Maybe...

....NOW the naysayers that were complaining that Biden wasn't doing anything will stop and perhaps give our President a little credit? While some were grandstanding Biden was quietly getting the job done.

Gotta give him a LOT of credit for this.

[Budi]

5. They step in front & steal his credit. Their base mission is to oppose Biden on everything.

per Waleed Shahid. Creator of Movement Mastery & avid anti-Democrat & multimillionare, & media organizer.

"Money & Media" they said with a smirk.

[NotANeocon]

4. Title should read "after 11 days and 53 years of slaughter and Lebensraum - for now".

[Budi]

6. Well this is sourced from Jeruselum press.

I'll put more faith in this article than HAMAS Times.

[NotANeocon]

19. The Brits say "Askmy brother am I a liar!!

[ripcord]

7. You are just too cool

Showing your anti-semitism by using phrases associated with nazi Germany in reference to Jews.

[NotANeocon]

16. Since when is calling a spade a spade antisemitism?

I could also accurately call what Israel is currently and historically engaged in Anschluss.


Don't like being called out on your actions - then don't do it.



Let me recommend a little reading exercise.
The General's Son: Journey of an Israeli in Palestine
Book by Miko Peled

[oldsoftie]

8. "After 11 days & 53 years of constant assaults on Israel"

There, I fixed it for you

[regnaD kciN]

9. "...and 53 years of not-even-close-to-constant assaults on Israel"...

"...by, you know, the people who lived there first and were forcibly dispossessed."

Fixed it for YOU.

[Budi]

10. The UN settled the homeland-less Jewish people following the holocost.

The anti-semitism is blaring loudly.

Some even refer to Israel, this very day, as a 'Settlement Colony', denying their given land by the UN.

[NotANeocon]

17. Where did the UN obtain title to the land?

BTW is judaism an ethnic or religious description or just another handy equivocation fallacy.

Who owns the Cannanite land? And who owns N and S America? Who should be "resettled" there?

[Beastly Boy]

30. From the British who gave it up.

And it wasn't a deed to the land, as you are desperately trying to portray it, it was a mandate to govern a territory which the Ottoman Empire lost in WW1.

The titles to some of this land (less than 50% of it being owned by the Palestinian landowners) are shown on this map .
As you can see, nearly as much land as was owned by the Palestinians was designated by the UN (and the British before them, and the Ottomans before the Britsh) as public, not belonging to any landlord.

The territory as a whole was British at the time. And if you want to go back to the pre-Roman times, don't object to dealing with myths and fables.

United Nations ultimately determined who should be resettled where. It was not, for obvious reasons, up to the Palestinian Arabs to make that determination, and it was certainly not up to the five Arab countries who invaded the land designated to be Jewish the day Israel declared its independence within the borders determined by the UN.

[NotANeocon]

33. Terra Nullius you say!

And we're back to the "Eminent Domain" and "Manifest Destiny" bullshit.

The British; and the Ottomans; And the United Nations guided by the USA; did not own the land - and neither did the supposed descendants of people who claimed in their fables to have lived there thousands of years ago. Neither was the land "uninhabited and unowned (or Terra Nullius)" as was claimed of the indigenous lands in much of the world by the British and North American Invaders.

The land belonged to the people who were on and working that land at that time.

If jews wanted a center for their religion to prosper I'm quite sure a piece about the size of Vatican City could have easily been negotiated. But that would have created a real problem for all those pesky refugees who wanted to settle in N America and Britain and were already settled all over Europe. The problem - "nobody wants them here".

So the lies started and became more audacious. Trump didn't invent lie repetition - that's an ancient religious technique to bring the rubes in line.

Fast forward to 1948 and the WW2 "Winners" (without the Russians who actually were the nationals who defeated the Germans) decided to steal land from the Palestinians and set up a place for those pesky refugees to live and get rid of that problem. That worked fine until the settlers decided no matter how much land they were stealing they didn't have enough land to live on and wanted to take over the whole damn continent - just like had happened in N and S America. The system of expanding for living space is known universally as Lebensraum.

Lebensraum is continuing to this day in N Africa and will continue until the 1948 original inhabitants are either killed off or vapourized by the arms supplied by the US Military Industrial Complex because -after all - Capitalism is the only religion worth keeping. At that time they will probably find new lands to invade and Lebensraum will continue until all of Africa is inhabited by Capitalists claiming some phony religious reason for entitlement to the land.

Just how I see it.

[Beastly Boy]

41. It should be self evident that I don't say Terra Nullius, but don't let it stop you!

Your post is so full of false equivalencies, omissions and innuendo that one more in the header is hardly worth mentioning.

To begin with, let me dispel one representation that serves as a foundation for much of your argument: you are confusing, or perhaps deliberately obfuscating the difference between land ownership and sovereignty. These are two completely different concepts. To give you an example: if a Palestinian owns and works a parcel of land in Texas, does it make his land Palestinian? This suggestion is preposterous on its face.

Keeping this in mind, there has been an uninterrupted succession of sovereign entities that controlled the territories of Palestine for thousands of years. In fact, the designation of the land as Palestine is relatively recent: it came into existence only after Roman emperor Hadrian, after brutally suppressing the Second Jewish (hint, hint) Revolt and killing off or exiling much of the indigenous Jewish population, changed the name of the Roman province from Judea (hint, hint) to Syria Palestina. This was as close as the territory came to being Terra Nullius. There were no Arabs or Muslims to speak of in the territory until the 7th century AD. Until then, the Palestinians were a ragtag collection of Jews, Romans, and a bunch of adventurous or desperate expatriates from Asia Minor. Despite some of them being landowners, they were all Roman (or Byzantine) subjects.

This followed by a succession of of dynastic Muslim Caliphates, and even a short period of European Crusaders, none of them native Palestinians, gaining and losing sovereign control over the territory, until the Ottomans eventually took over in the 15th century. Like it or not, sovereignty has historically been determined by conquest, treaties and dynastic succession, independent of land ownership.

Before we jump to 1947, a little detour just to show how false equivalencies and innuendo play into your narrative: it is my sad duty to inform you that religious sentiment played little to no role in the formation of the State of Israel. Zionists, who were at the forefront of creating the State of Israel, were a completely secular group, so your analogy to Vatican is completely irrelevant.

Fast forward to 1947. The UN (not the Palestinian Jews or the Palestinian Arabs, for obvious reasons), approved the partition of the soon to expire British mandate (as a side note, the British took Palestine from the Ottomans as a consequence of the Ottoman defeat inWW1 and the ensuing international treaties), into two territories, one to be governed by the Palestinian Jews and the other, FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, by the Palestinian Arabs. The Jews accepted the UN resolution (Resolution 181), and the Arabs promptly rejected it. To add insult to injury, five neighboring Arab states invaded the then State of Israel (curiously, on the same day the Soviet Union, not Russia as you erroneously call it, recognized the country’s independence), with every expectation to end its existence. They lost, badly. BTW, Jordan and Egypt eventually annexed more of the land meant by the UN to become the Palestinian State than Israel did. When the West Bank and Gaza were occupied by Israel in 1967, these were Jordanian and Egyptian territories, They were not Palestinian at the time, and, thanks to the Palestinians themselves, didn’t get to become Palestinian.

So you see, even if one is to accept your awkward attempt to claim theft, one must inevitably conclude, based on historical sequence of events alone, that the UN “stole” Palestinian land from the British, and Israel “stole” Palestinian land from Jordan and Egypt. Unless you limit your claims of theft to the Israeli settlements on the West Bank (all 21 Israeli settlements in Gaza were demolished by Israel in 2005), in which case your credibility may yet be salvaged.

I will not even go into your totally misguided notions of Lebensraum, or conflating it with capitalism and religion, or cryptic talk of "audacious lies" - this is pure fodder unencumbered by rational deliberation.

Yours is a curious perspective, and you have every right to post how you see it, but sadly, it is full of self inflicted bullet holes in the foot. Since you are touching on some important issues, I wish it weren’t the case.

[NotANeocon]

44. Just a few points.

" I don't say Terra Nullius,"?

You certainly DO say "Terra Nullius" even if by proxy - it is the justification in the map you included to "justify" the religious/ethnic? based theft of territory.

"Zionists, who were at the forefront of creating the State of Israel, were a completely secular group"

Surrre - about as secular as the Pope and College of Cardinals or Focus on the Family.

and finally

You've drunk so much of the 75 year propaganda campaign Kool Aid that you can no longer look outside the box to actually see the facts. As I said to another poster recently "you cannot reason with a person who has not reached their conclusions through reason."
You possibly even still believe that Europeans were justified in the treatment meted to indigenous Americans.

Finis de la musica.

[Beastly Boy]

45. You have, to put it charitably, a rather vivid imagination.

To begin with, it is quite an amazing stretch to see the map you are referring to as signifying religious/ethnic-based theft of territory. A rational human being would immediately recognize it as a map of historically based apportionment of land ownership titles among private landlords of two ethnic groups, and the State as the custodian of public land with no land ownership titles attached to it. Because, duh! it says so on the map! In fact, the United Nation has been using it as such for decades. It is completely beyond me how you can possibly force the subject of theft of any kind onto the content of this map. To further claim that I am somehow, by proxy, use the map to justify the non-existent theft on the grounds of a never articulated “Terra Nullius” claim, when I am on record as arguing the exact opposite, is, pardon my French, batshit crazy.

For someone who has the word “Zionist” on speed dial, it is remarkable that you don’t even know that Zionism was, and still is, a secular movement. But don’t take my word for it, google it!.. Who did you think they were, Opus Dei in Hassidic garb on speed?

And you know you completely lost an argument when your best response involves mentions of Kool Aid and looking outside the box. But by all means, heed your warning: start reaching your conclusions through reason. You will know you have succeeded when Kool Aid is no longer in your vocabulary.

And please, quit dragging indigenous Americans into this discussion. They deserve the dignity of their own thread. So if you have something to say on their behalf, start one. Don’t use them to hide your ignorance of an unrelated subject.

[oldsoftie]

11. The people who were there FIRST are the Jews

And they've been run out of there repeatedly. Thats over.
Get used to it. Most of the rest of the Arab world has.

[Humanist_Activist]

12. That's not accurate, assuming the stories in the Bible is accurate, they invaded and killed...

The Amalekites and a few other tribes first. At least get the founding myths right, damn.

Not to mention that your line of argument would lead to some uncomfortable ideas for allowing certain groups of people to resettle in various areas of the world. Couple of examples off the top of my head, should the Anglo-Saxons be given a right to return to Saxony? Should the Britons be allowed to occupy England?

[Jay25]

15. +1

[Beastly Boy]

20. Ah, a Bible connosseur.

Ever heard of Abraham? And his two sons, Isaac and Ismael? Remember which one of them ended up inhabiting "Palestine"?

And as far as you bringing up some ideas for certain groups to resettle, something tells me the Palestinians would not appreciate it.

[Humanist_Activist]

29. Considering they are the victims of a forced resettlement that continues to this day...

you would be right.

As to the issue with Abraham, you know that the story is, at best, allegorical, right?

Also, what's with the scare quotes around "Palestine", you do realize the etymology of the name refers to one of its original inhabitants, the Philistines.

[Beastly Boy]

31. I would be right regardless of your considerations.

And the only reason I brought up Abraham was to counter your fable of Amalekites. I am claiming as much historical accuracy with it as you are with your reference to the Amalekites.

And another history lesson: did you know that the historical Philistines have nothing to do with Palestine? To the best of historical accuracy, Philistines were sea-fairing nomads of Greek or Minoan origin who occupied the coastal areas between Ashkelon and Gaza before the time of Alexander the Great. Hence the reason for my scare quotes around the word Palestine: there was no such thing until the Romans gave this name to one of their provinces.

[Budi]

13. K & R

[NotANeocon]

18. Do you mean the mainly Mid Europeans who were forcibly "Re Settled" there?

Because too many 'allied' countries were anti Jewish and did not accept Jewish refugees post WW2.

Balfour had no authority to deliver land either.

[Beastly Boy]

22. The UN had that authority (Resolution 181) when the British gave up their mandate to

administer the territory that the Ottomans lost in WW1.

Now, if you go back a few centuries, you may argue that the Mamluks or the Ayyubids had no authority to surrender the territory (which by that time long lost its designation as Roman Palestine) to the Ottomans, but I am afraid it would have little to do with Balfour.

[NotANeocon]

23. When you base your actions on fables and fairy tales -

anything you do - no matter how unethical - becomes legal.

[Beastly Boy]

24. UN resolution 181 is a fable and a fairy tale? Really?

Tell me more about it!

[NotANeocon]

21. I accepted resettlement before 1967 - but -

since 1967 Lebensraum is the ONLY appropriate description of the settlers actions.

It's a replay of the Boer War with bows and arrows against gatlin guns but fireworks against nuclear weapons supplied by the US MIC .

[oldsoftie]

25. Israel was attacked in '67. They didnt use nukes.

They were victorious and captured land. That happens in war. Then they give much of that land BACK and still get attacked again and again. Because the leaders of the palestinians REFUSE TO ACCEPT THE EXISTENCE OF ISRAEL. So they will forever and always be getting the short end of the stick until they learn to deal with it. Even the Saudis have tired of their continuing self imposed "victimhood"

[EX500rider]

27. I doubt the Israelis hiding in bomb shelters would characterize it as fireworks

... and the French helped the Israelis get nuclear weapons not the US

[George II]

32. Israelis hide in bomb shelters, Hamas hide in civilians' homes in violation of international law....

....and that's considered a war crime.

[NotANeocon]

34. Israel has been using that lie since 1967 to cover their own war crimes.

And they didn't even invent the lie that they were simply attacking "the enemy" hidden among civilians. Lets face it - Israel is engaged in slow genocide.

[Jay25]

42. Yes they are, but you get lambasted if you mention it.

[NotANeocon]

47. I'm fed up seeing Israel treated with kid gloves.

It is really time that the worst rogue terrorist nation in North Africa, and most dangerously armed by co-criminals, is called to account for its war crimes.

I am also culpable in these atrocities having watched silently for too long.

[Jay25]

48. As am I. I just don't know what to do, considering people throughout the world are aware.

Hell, you even have progressives that back Israel, with impunity

[EX500rider]

43. "the lie that they were simply attacking "the enemy" hidden among civilians"

Where do you think Hamas bases it munitions and rockets teams and HQ's? Out in the country where the civilians of Gaza would be safe? Not hardly.

[NotANeocon]

36. And I have this real cheap bridge for sale in LA.

[EX500rider]

38. Well with proof like that who wouldn't believe you

[George II]

28. When did the Israelis use nuclear weapons? And when were they supplied by the US? Never and never.

[NotANeocon]

35. Is it really important which shipping route was used to supply nukes and armaments?

The threat of using them is enough to terrorize neighbors. Like the Contras the arms get to their destination and that is all that matters.

[George II]

37. When did the Israelis use nuclear weapons and when did the US supply them to Israel?

[EX500rider]

39. The Israelis have never threatened to use nukes they don't even admit to having them

[George II]

26. +1,000,000

[Jay25]

14. Thank you.

[Elessar Zappa]

40. You're clearly an anti-Semite.

Most of us can see you clearly.

[NotANeocon]

46. Of course -

criticism of a nation led by war criminals (and UN designated terrorists initially) for in excess of 75 years must be unrelated to criminal activity on the part of said nation. Poor innocent victims!