Charleston church shooter making appellate arguments
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Source: Associated Press
COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) The man on federal death row for the racist slayings of nine members of a Black South Carolina congregation is making his appellate argument that his conviction and death sentence should be overturned.
Oral arguments in the case of Dylann Roof are scheduled to be held Tuesday before a three-judge panel of the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, based in Richmond, Virginia. Appellate Judge Jay Richardson, who as an assistant U.S. Attorney prosecuted Roofs case, is not part of the panel.
In 2017, Roof became the first person in the U.S. sentenced to death for a federal hate crime. Authorities have said Roof opened fire during the closing prayer of a 2015 Bible study session at Charlestons Mother Emanuel AME Church, raining down dozens of bullets on those assembled. Roof was 21 years old at the time.
In a lengthy brief, Roofs attorneys argue that an appellate court should vacate Roofs convictions and death sentence, or remand his case to court for a proper competency evaluation.
Read more: https://apnews.com/article/sc-state-wire-donald-trump-charleston-religion-shootings-d59bf47614071023aec651017cae557e
Aristus
(66,462 posts)you're competent enough to stand trial for it, and have your conviction upheld by the court.
Bottom line...
TwilightZone
(25,485 posts)Plenty of people who are able to kill someone with a gun are determined to be mentally incompetent. That ability to commit the action doesn't solely prove anything in that regard.
In this case, his competency should have been established prior to or during his initial trial. In my personal opinion, everything in context points to him being competent - planned well in advance, clearly understood what he was doing, claims he nearly didn't go through with it because everyone was nice to him, etc.
This is just a hail mary with very little chance of success.
Aristus
(66,462 posts)But I think hate-boy is just evil.
I'm actually fine if his death sentence is overturned; I'm opposed to the death penalty.
But overturning the conviction would itself be an act of evil.
Let him rot his worthless life away in the slam...
Warpy
(111,352 posts)because he'll only join a white power prison gang in the general population, be one of their heroes.
However, competency to stand trial has a pretty narrow definition, he had to have the capacity to tell right from wrong at the time of the crime. Since he fled the scene, going across the state line so he wouldn't get caught. No matter how fanatical he was in his bigotry, his flight demonstrates that he knew there would be legal consequences and sought to evade them.
IOW, he hasn't got a prayer, not even in SC.
multigraincracker
(32,722 posts)of his life in the Cuckoos nest with a certain nurse.
mn9driver
(4,428 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)It's evidence that he's a racist. It says nothing about anyone else.
The majority may very well be, but one person does not a trend make. There are also a lot of liberal gunners, some of them seemingly as adamant about it as many on the right. I wouldn't automatically assume they're racists on that basis alone.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)leftieNanner
(15,154 posts)canetoad
(17,190 posts)With how they all accessorize.
leftieNanner
(15,154 posts)But no. Camo, obscene guns, and ugly.
SMDH
llashram
(6,265 posts)struggle4progress
(118,350 posts)It is an affirmative defense to a prosecution under any Federal statute that, at the time of the commission of the acts constituting the offense, the defendant, as a result of a severe mental disease or defect, was unable to appreciate the nature and quality or the wrongfulness of his acts. Mental disease or defect does not otherwise constitute a defense.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/17
struggle4progress
(118,350 posts)By Glenn Smith, Jennifer Berry Hawes and Abigail Darlington
Dec 13, 2016 Updated Dec 14, 2016
... Data culled from Roofs GPS navigation device showed the self-avowed white supremacist made seven trips to Charlestons Emanuel AME Church, the last on the evening of the June 2015 massacre. He often lingered for hours in the area before making the 90-minute trip back to his home outside Columbia ...
https://www.postandcourier.com/church_shooting/testimony-shows-dylann-roof-scouted-emanuel-ame-church-for-months-before-mass-shooting/article_ce5fa596-c12d-11e6-903b-974d94ad04f3.html
struggle4progress
(118,350 posts)June 19, 2015, 9:01 AM EDT / Updated June 19, 2015, 10:26 AM EDT
By Erik Ortiz and Daniel Arkin
... Roof told police that he "almost didn't go through with it because everyone was so nice to him" ...
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/charleston-church-shooting/dylann-roof-almost-didnt-go-through-charleston-church-shooting-n378341
lonely bird
(1,689 posts)marble falls
(57,240 posts)RVN VET71
(2,698 posts)I would rather he be incarcerated for life in one of those nasty cells in Langley. But Id certainly settle for life in a Supermax. At the same time, Id like to imagine a Clive Barker eternity of punishment for him.
I almos dint kill them n-words on account they wuz so nice to me, is not exculpatory. It deserves special attention and treatment by demons in hell. But I digress.
marble falls
(57,240 posts)... but we do have courts to redress that.
We don't like the way the GOP whizzes past the law and the way to correct that is to not act like them. We can beat them. We are beating them and we need to keep attention on them.
But it won't take and doen't need flipping a switch.
I think about it every single time some criminal has pushed a crime into the truly and solidly bizarre outrage, and in the end I recognize that the death penalty is incapable of fair and equal imposition based on reason, having nothing to do with stoked emotions.
My next fear is that every execution makes it easier to execute innocent people, particularly PoC.
Plus I do not want to give them any martyrs. I want him to be what he is: a garden variety racist criminal. I don't want him a hero, I want everyone to how pathetic he really and truly is.
RVN VET71
(2,698 posts)Clearly, he wanted the (white) police to think better of him -- or less bad of him -- because he felt a little hesitant about slaughtering the people in the church. No, no one else but the murderer was seeking exculpation, or at least amelioration.
And to reiterate, I dont want the little peckersniff to be executed, either. I relish the idea of him living a long and boring and desperate life in Supermax -- which makes me, perhaps, more savage than some who would see him executed. Hes committed a horrible crime for which there can be no forgiveness from society -- certainly not from me.
And as for the death penalty, I agree with the old saw: if even one innocent person is executed, the punishment is evil and indefensible. And the fact is that America has seen much evidence of the state-ordered murder of people who turned out to be innocent.
marble falls
(57,240 posts)... the little weasel deserves more than we can ethically and morally give him.
struggle4progress
(118,350 posts)by: FOX8 Digital Desk, CNN Wire
Posted: Jun 18, 2015 / 11:19 AM EDT / Updated: Jun 18, 2015 / 11:19 AM EDT
Dylan Storm Roof .. was arrested in Shelby, N.C., on Thursday, about 250 miles from Charleston ... Roof was currently out on bond in connection with multiple recent arrests on drug and trespassing charges ...
https://myfox8.com/news/captured-charleston-church-shooting-suspect-has-been-caught-in-shelby-nc/
struggle4progress
(118,350 posts)(1) to plan the shooting over a period of months;
(2) to hesitate killing all these people because they were nice to him; and
(3) to flee the state after the crime
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,212 posts)Let him rot in prison. That's probably tougher than the death penalty.
twodogsbarking
(9,814 posts)I don't see that changing.
marble falls
(57,240 posts)... by filing civil rights violation in cases where the local courts fail to punish criminals. This is the first time I've ever heard of a death penalty for a civil right's charge.
marye50
(19 posts)melm00se
(4,996 posts)but that in no way should limit the convicted's rights to do so.
joetheman
(1,450 posts)as black people within the USA, what do you think would happen? It's the plot of a movie I am working on.
One scenario has the gun lovers trying to kill as many black people as possible before midnight.
Another scenario has many gun lovers shooting them selves.
Another scenario has them all trying to leave the country for another country only to find that most other countries outlaw or ban guns so they end up being stuck on a ship that begins to sink because of the weight of the guns. Does anyone believe they will toss their guns overboard?
Add another scenario, I will copyright it for you.
Lovie777
(12,329 posts)I had to chuckle and I would go with the middle one.
Omaha Steve
(99,727 posts)Announcement of a court date coming up on Tuesday is not news. Can be posted in GD.
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