A 12-year-old boy and 14-year-old girl broke into a home, found weapons and opened fire on deputies

[groundloop]

Source: CNN

Deputies in Volusia County, Florida, shot a 14-year-old girl on Tuesday night after she and a 12-year-old boy fled a group home, broke into a house, found multiple guns inside and then opened fire on deputies, according to Volusia County Sheriff Mike Chitwood.

The girl was shot in the abdomen and the arm and is in stable condition, while the boy surrendered and was not injured, the sheriff's office said.

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The startling spree of gunfire came as Sheriff Chitwood insisted deputies repeatedly tried to deescalate the situation, make personal contact with the juveniles, and were forced to hide behind trees amid waves of shooting.

"We try to deescalate, we throw a cell phone into the house to try to talk to them. The 14-year-old comes out of the garage with a pump shotgun, levels it at deputies, and despite warnings to drop it, she walks back into the garage. She comes back a second time, and that's when deputies open fire," Chitwood said.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/02/us/florida-deputies-shooting-teen/index.html

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Thankfully nobody was killed, but geez, why didn't the homeowner have all those weapons locked up? (Or why did the homeowner feel the need to have all those weapons at all?)

[regnaD kciN]

1. So, the girl came out of the house with the shotgun...

…and was able to go back inside, and was only shot when she came out and pointed it at the cops a second time?

And they only shot to wound, not kill her?

She must have been white.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

5. Shot in the stomach is not shoot to wound,

the police are taught to aim center mass, as that is the largest part of the body, so he did not shoot to wound, he did what all LE is trained to do.

She's lucky to be alive at this point, but from what I read earlier, she may not survive the gun shot.

[regnaD kciN]

20. She's in stable condition...

...so I think her survival is likely at the very least.

And he may have "aimed center mass," but he sure didn't shoot her four to six times there, which is certainly what we've seen happen recently when the teenage girl in question was BIPoC.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

22. LE is trained to shoot until the threat is neutralized, as was probably this case,

she probably hit the ground as soon as the round hit her stomach, but neither you nor I were there so we can't say for sure what happened.

Again, a gunshot to the stomach is NOT a shoot to wound, the officer did exactly what all LE are trained to do, aim center mass.

I know this because I did a 2 year stint with the Marine Security Forces (MP) and this was exactly how we were trained.

[DENVERPOPS]

28. Exactly MCE

Is the bullet, coming from a 12 year old's gun, any less lethal than coming from an adult's gun ???????

That having been said, I am in hopes that they did everything they could do to de-escalate the situation, as should be done in every similar situation.

My immediate thoughts were to what was I doing when I was 12 years old.......

[MarineCombatEngineer]

29. +100.

At 12 years old, I was doing what just about every kid was doing in '59, being a kid, playing baseball, going to school, not a care in the world.

I sure do miss being a kid again.

[oldsoftie]

11. Try to stretch that kernal as far as you can.

A gut shot isnt "shooting to wound"

[Warpy]

12. She was shot in the chest and the arm

I don't think most cops want to shoot kids, at least the deputies on this call said that to the local TV station.

Apparently the 12 year old opened fire first and gave up as soon as the girl was shot.

I was going to post this hours ago, couldn't find any words. I just hope law enforcement asks a lot of questions about why this guy felt he needed an AK-47 and why there were three unsecured guns in his house.

They can't do anything about it, but questions need to be asked since the guy is apparently not real bright and needs to think about this.

Most of the crooks I knew in Boston got their guns from burglarizing legal gun owners .

[OnlinePoker]

23. The weird thing is the picture CNN put in the article of the black girl.

I thought that was the shooter, but it's from a related article about another shooting (Ma'Khia Bryant).

[Bernardo de La Paz]

24. The abdomen is full of infectious bacteria, so a shot there is surprising deadly

Cops know this, but as explained by other posters, cops aim at center of mass to stop the assailant immediately without waiting for infection (the deadliness) to take hold later.

[3Hotdogs]

2. Shot in the abdomen isn't shooting to wound.

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[christx30]

7. Nope You shoot for center mass.

You shoot to stop the threat. Shooting at an arm or leg can almost guarantee that the shot is going to go wild, and hit something you don't want to destroy. If the person survives the shot, you try to save their life. But protecting the life of someone that's threatening you isn't the focus. And it really shouldn't be. Once the person stops being a threat, you help them, if you can.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

8. +100. nt

[PerceptionManagement]

3. maybe someone should check out the 'religious foster home' the ran away from

and ask why they had to run away

[Bernardo de La Paz]

25. Immediately. Probably severe abuse there and/or grifting with tax dollars

"Fostering" children is a business for some, not a high percentage of foster homes, but enough to warrant investigation.

[LT Barclay]

30. As a parent who fostered then adopted 3 from the foster

System, it is hard not to be offended by these posts. If you met our family you probably wouldn't jump on the foster parents.
Our oldest runs away anytime he is back in our home and would rather sit in residential psychiatric care than adapt to our house. Yet his sister and brother are thriving.
We know of 3 other adoptive families where the oldest has the most difficulty and wants to disrupt the home and the adoption process.
Sadly it was probably something these kids learned from their bio-parents.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

31. Well, yeah, I was too harsh. Sorry.

I respect people such as yourselves ready to open their homes to children in need. Perhaps I was harsher than I should have been.

When I said "warrant investigation" I was referring to the one home, not even the low percentage, but the one home. The reaction of the children, willing to risk death, is severe.

That's not simple "running away from home". Something is going on. Or maybe the child (14 yo ringleader) was misplaced and should be in psychiatric care or some other special care rather than a foster home.

[LT Barclay]

36. A few other factors have an effect (solely based on our experiences)

Social workers don't last long so many are inexperienced.
Problems are downplayed so kids can be placed.
Problems get worse as they spend more time in the system. Ours were back and forth between bio-parents and foster so much that even the youngest had 6 or more placements and they often separated. And something triggered the oldest and no one can figure it out. He didn't make the middle school basketball team, he was attaching to my wife and going through puberty. School is difficult for him and he was falling further behind. Could have been any or all of those. I'm frustrated with the therapy offered because current practice is entirely behavioral modification with no focus on causes or triggers.
Anyway just like much of life, we can't have good things and support a billionaire class.

[ArizonaLib]

4. The owner had all those guns in case someone tried to break in

This way the owner's property would be safe.

What a damned idiot!

[MarineCombatEngineer]

6. LOCK YOUR FUCKING FIREARMS UP YOU FUCKING IDIOT,

especially if you're not going to be home.

[Aussie105]

9. Can he be charged with anything?

Gross negligence, poor firearm security?

And the kids names . . . Bonny and Clyde perhaps?

I hope the girl will pull through.

Now if suburban America was de-weaponized, they may just have come out swinging baseball bats instead.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

10. I highly doubt it.

The kids broke into his home, and as far as I know, FL, doesn't have a safe storage law.

[NutmegYankee]

21. Someone breaking in is almost always an exception to any storage law.

The laws protect children regularly in a home but do not address someone who entered illegally. Nor frankly, should laws cover that. That is now well beyond traditional Common Law concepts of negligence.

[Pharlo]

14. I read the article and all it said was 'they found guns',

it did not say they were not locked up. If these two juveniles were willing to break into a home and go all 'GTA' on police, I would not assume they did not break into a locked gun cabinet.

I agree about the AK47, I do not know why anyone would need one of these, but a shotgun is a hunting weapon, and I can see an actual use for that if the owner hunts.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

15. I meant this post to be generic, geared towards those that don't secure their firearms

while not in use, especially when they're not home.

I think the confusion is that I didn't use the plural when writing my post.

My bad.

[Pharlo]

16. Well, generically, I agree with you.

It's just that I know a lot of hunters - and any firearm not in use, or under immediate supervision, is locked up. Yet, I could see someone who broke into a house also breaking into a gun cabinet.

As for idiots who leave guns laying around, well, they're asking for a tragedy. Too often, there is a two or three year old around to make the tragedy a reality.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

18. Agree with everything you said.

I myself don't want firearms in my house nor my truck, after 35 years in the Armed Forces, I just choose not to own any, but, that being said, I have no problem with lawful citizens owning firearms with reasonable restrictions.

Peace out
Danny

[knightmaar]

13. Why have all the guns? What if you're attacked by a puppy while riding your bicycle!?!!?

[keithbvadu2]

17. 12 and 14... They seem quite knowledgeable about guns.

12 and 14... They seem quite knowledgeable about guns.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

19. Anyone who plays these video games,

like Medal of Honor, Call of Duty, etc, can learn all they want about firearms these days.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

26. No, you really can't

Video game guns are nothing whatsoever like real guns.

You don't reload a real gun by pressing 'B' for example. You don't aim by moving a joystick around.

Aiming in games is totally unrealistic, and aided by auto-aim.

Shooting and handling guns in video games and in real life are almost nothing alike.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

27. Ok, thanks for the info.

I just assumed that these games gave the details of the firearms normally used by the military, I've never played any of those games, no interest at all.

Have a great Thursday.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

33. Guns in high-budget games have the IRL names and some have reasonably accurate ballistics modeling

COD series is not a game know for accurate modeling, whereas there are some others like ARMA that are supposedly more real.

But the big disconnect is that using a joystick or mouse to 'aim' is wildly different from handling a weapon with mass, recoil, manual chambering/magazine loading procedures, etc.

There are now some virtual reality games that are getting a little bit closer to real-life in terms of needing to hold out your arms, 'chamber a round', 'swap out mags', and 'aim down the sites', but it's probably never going to be THAT close to the real thing.

I've been playing shooters since the late 90's (recently some in VR even) and I'm a decent shot in games but if you handed me a real gun I would be terrible at operating it

[MarineCombatEngineer]

35. I'm on the opposite side of you,

if I tried playing those games, I would be wiped out in a nanosecond, however, if you put a firearm in my hands, I would be quite efficient with it, not that I ever want to hold a firearm again, but after 35 years in the Corps, one gets quite capable with firearms.

Thank you for this info, I always thought that the claim that these games are part of the firearm violence in this country are bullshit, and after talking to you, it just reinforces my belief.

[miyazaki]

32. In my case, I always reloaded by pressing 'R'.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

34. I like KBM controls in general but I'm a programmer (and DU'er) so I TYPE ENOUGH!

I like gamepads these days cause I need to get away from typing motions when gaming.

Though I'm still a diehard PC gamer, to be clear