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Sun Jun 13, 2021, 07:12 PM

Star Member Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (72,090 posts)

Trudeau says no deal on lifting border restrictions after talks with Biden

Source: The Hill

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said on Sunday that he and President Biden hadn't reached a deal about lifting coronavirus border restrictions after discussing the matter.

Trudeau said during a press conference that he spoke with Biden about lifting the ban on nonessential travel between the U.S. and Canada. The restrictions were imposed in March 2020, at the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic.

Both U.S. and Canadian business leaders have complained about the border restrictions, which lowered tourist travel between the two countries, affecting Canadian businesses and airlines that depend on tourism, Reuters noted.

Trudeau said Canada needs more of its citizens to be vaccinated before border restrictions are lifted, adding that he will work closely with the Biden administration to be on the right path.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trudeau-says-no-deal-on-lifting-border-restrictions-after-talks-with-biden/ar-AAL0omu?li=BBnb7Kz

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Reply Trudeau says no deal on lifting border restrictions after talks with Biden (Original post)
 Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2021 OP
LineReply Appropriate call. Neither Country is 'there' just yet.
 Budi Jun 2021 #1
LineLineReply So, what exactly is "there" ?
 Yavin4 Jun 2021 #4
LineLineLineReply 75% completely vaccinated
 maxsolomon Jun 2021 #5
LineLineLineLineReply So, that should be the priority. Correct? n/t
 Yavin4 Jun 2021 #8
LineLineLineLineLineReply I guess. I don't know what the metric should be.
 maxsolomon Jun 2021 #21
LineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply How about requiring all Medicare and Medicaid recipients get vaccinated?
 Yavin4 Jun 2021 #22
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply I don't think that Biden will require anything.
 maxsolomon Jun 2021 #24
LineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Tourism is important to both countries, but more so the US
 Hiawatha Pete Jun 2021 #30
LineLineLineReply We do not have the virus under control, from what I have read and studied.
 HUAJIAO Jun 2021 #6
LineLineLineLineReply Control means that the virus does not overwhelm healthcare resources
 Yavin4 Jun 2021 #7
LineLineLineLineLineReply "Control means that the virus does not overwhelm healthcare resources."
 HUAJIAO Jun 2021 #20
LineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply If you're fully vaccinated, you have nothing to fear from covid either.
 Yavin4 Jun 2021 #23
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply I may be pretty safe.
 HUAJIAO Jun 2021 #25
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply It's not as big of a threat than a multitude of other things. For example, global poverty for one.
 Yavin4 Jun 2021 #27
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply You are comparing things that have no relationship..
 HUAJIAO Jun 2021 #28
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Seriously, what a weird comparison.
 ShazzieB Jun 2021 #29
LineLineLineLineReply We have the virus under control by any standard.
 Dopers_Greed Jun 2021 #11
LineLineLineLineLineNew Reply I doubt anybody is suggesting only zero cases means we have it under control.
 HUAJIAO Jun 2021 #26
LineLineLineLineReply You're 100% correct n/t
 OhioChick Jun 2021 #12
LineLineLineLineLineReply Thank you. Glad somebody agrees.. :))
 HUAJIAO Jun 2021 #14
LineLineLineReply Nobody said zero cases.
 HUAJIAO Jun 2021 #18
LineLineReply The US is way ahead of Canada on the "there" standard.
 Renew Deal Jun 2021 #10
LineLineLineReply Stadiums are 'safer' to fill anyway because they are outside.
 HUAJIAO Jun 2021 #19
LineReply Meaingful discourse between leaders
 ripcord Jun 2021 #2
LineReply Hopefully we will help Canada with vaccines
 questionseverything Jun 2021 #3
LineReply Another argument for vaccine passports
 MurrayDelph Jun 2021 #9
LineLineReply Totally agree. I want a vaccine passport. For my safety and the safety of other travellers.
 usaf-vet Jun 2021 #13
LineLineLineReply righties/repubs
 DownriverDem Jun 2021 #16
LineLineLineLineNew Reply Fine
 Mz Pip Jun 2021 #31
LineReply Oh boo
 DownriverDem Jun 2021 #15
LineReply Darn!!!
 Karma13612 Jun 2021 #17

Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Jun 13, 2021, 07:16 PM

Budi (9,940 posts)

1. Appropriate call. Neither Country is 'there' just yet.

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Sun Jun 13, 2021, 09:16 PM

Star Member Yavin4 (33,129 posts)

4. So, what exactly is "there" ?

Is it zero cases? If so, we're never, ever going to get to zero cases. At some point soon, we have to restore the world back to where it was. We have the virus under control. Re-opening should be our highest priority at this point.

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Sun Jun 13, 2021, 09:31 PM

maxsolomon (25,142 posts)

5. 75% completely vaccinated

Pick a metric.

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Sun Jun 13, 2021, 10:20 PM

Star Member Yavin4 (33,129 posts)

8. So, that should be the priority. Correct? n/t

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Mon Jun 14, 2021, 12:09 PM

maxsolomon (25,142 posts)

21. I guess. I don't know what the metric should be.

I only know the toothpaste is out of the tube in this country, and getting another 10% of this blockheaded population vaxxed is going to be nearly impossible.

Trudeau's going to have to find something he can live with - showing your vax card, an attestation, a negative test. He can't keep the hordes out forever; Canada needs our money.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #21)

Mon Jun 14, 2021, 12:27 PM

Star Member Yavin4 (33,129 posts)

22. How about requiring all Medicare and Medicaid recipients get vaccinated?

There are about 140 million Americans on either one. Why not require them to get vaccinated in order to continue to receive the benefit? How about giving special dispensation to health insurance companies to raise premiums for those that refuse the vaccine? How about letting companies require people to get vaccinated or face OSHA fines.

Too many people are not fully understanding nor showing the necessary commitment to return to normal. It's scary how easy it is for people to restrict individual freedom, but when it comes to mandating taking the vaccines, they go full Rand Paul/Libertarian.

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #22)

Mon Jun 14, 2021, 12:32 PM

maxsolomon (25,142 posts)

24. I don't think that Biden will require anything.

The (over)reaction would be "Death Panel Plus" among the know-nothing vax-defiance crowd.

A bribery program is much more likely. Pay people to get the shot. They're already handing them out in grocery stores.

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 13, 2021, 09:43 PM

Star Member HUAJIAO (1,277 posts)

6. We do not have the virus under control, from what I have read and studied.

Last edited Mon Jun 14, 2021, 08:56 AM - Edit history (1)

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Sun Jun 13, 2021, 10:19 PM

Star Member Yavin4 (33,129 posts)

7. Control means that the virus does not overwhelm healthcare resources

Looking at the global rates of hospitalizations and deaths. The virus does not kill any more than other maladies.

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Mon Jun 14, 2021, 09:21 AM

Star Member HUAJIAO (1,277 posts)

20. "Control means that the virus does not overwhelm healthcare resources."

Humm.. not sure I agree.

Heart disease doesn't overwhelm healthcare resources but certainly is not under control. And heart disease or cancer, etc do not spread in aerosols or from person to person contact..... So if someone has stomach cancer s/he is not a danger to me.

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Mon Jun 14, 2021, 12:32 PM

Star Member Yavin4 (33,129 posts)

23. If you're fully vaccinated, you have nothing to fear from covid either.

If you do get it, you won't have to seek care in the hospital. That's what it means by having the disease under control.

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Mon Jun 14, 2021, 12:37 PM

Star Member HUAJIAO (1,277 posts)

25. I may be pretty safe.

But not enough people are fully vaccinated yet, in the US or the world in general. So the danger of covid-19 as a pandemic is still a very real threat..

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Mon Jun 14, 2021, 02:14 PM

Star Member Yavin4 (33,129 posts)

27. It's not as big of a threat than a multitude of other things. For example, global poverty for one.

Extreme poverty kills more people than does COVID-19 but we don't lock down the world to fight it.

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Mon Jun 14, 2021, 02:23 PM

Star Member HUAJIAO (1,277 posts)

28. You are comparing things that have no relationship..

apples and elephants.

Poverty doesn't spread by aerosols and human contact.

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Mon Jun 14, 2021, 05:12 PM

Star Member ShazzieB (3,387 posts)

29. Seriously, what a weird comparison.

Apples and elephants, for sure.

Trudeau said Canada needs more of its citizens to be vaccinated before border restrictions are lifted. That makes sense to me. Much easier to make sure Canadians are protected than to try to keep the unvaxxed idiots out.

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Sun Jun 13, 2021, 11:59 PM

Dopers_Greed (2,515 posts)

11. We have the virus under control by any standard.

If we're waiting for zero cases, we'll be locked down forever.

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Mon Jun 14, 2021, 12:38 PM

Star Member HUAJIAO (1,277 posts)

26. I doubt anybody is suggesting only zero cases means we have it under control.

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Mon Jun 14, 2021, 05:27 AM

OhioChick (23,082 posts)

12. You're 100% correct n/t

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Mon Jun 14, 2021, 08:43 AM

Star Member HUAJIAO (1,277 posts)

14. Thank you. Glad somebody agrees.. :))

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Mon Jun 14, 2021, 09:07 AM

Star Member HUAJIAO (1,277 posts)

18. Nobody said zero cases.


-Nobody said zero cases.

-The world will never be restored to “back the way it was.” Nothing goes back to the way it was. Everything is in change.

-I still do not agree that the virus is under control.

-Our highest priority should not be “re-opening.” It should be getting 80-90% (?) of the world population vaccinated or enough to slow the spread of covid to the point that it’s replication is so slow it is not a global danger.

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Sun Jun 13, 2021, 11:27 PM

Star Member Renew Deal (79,722 posts)

10. The US is way ahead of Canada on the "there" standard.

In the US, it's safe to fill stadiums. In Canada it's dangerous to fill restaurants.

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Mon Jun 14, 2021, 09:09 AM

Star Member HUAJIAO (1,277 posts)

19. Stadiums are 'safer' to fill anyway because they are outside.

I would say 'safer' not totally safe...

It is not safe to fill restaurants in the USA either.

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Sun Jun 13, 2021, 07:33 PM

Star Member ripcord (2,249 posts)

2. Meaingful discourse between leaders

What is this world coming to.

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Sun Jun 13, 2021, 08:41 PM

questionseverything (7,503 posts)

3. Hopefully we will help Canada with vaccines

They have been wonderful allies over the years

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Sun Jun 13, 2021, 10:47 PM

Star Member MurrayDelph (4,572 posts)

9. Another argument for vaccine passports

After all, if I brought my dog into Canada with me, I'd have to have proof of her vaccinations.

I really miss visiting Canada.

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Mon Jun 14, 2021, 07:20 AM

Star Member usaf-vet (3,991 posts)

13. Totally agree. I want a vaccine passport. For my safety and the safety of other travellers.

We got a paper card that indicates we got our vaccinations. Anyone with the technology could in 30 minutes produce a FAKE card to be sold or used to "indicate" the carrier of the card has been vaccinated.

We need an addendum to our current passports as a government certification of vaccination.

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Mon Jun 14, 2021, 08:46 AM

Star Member DownriverDem (4,983 posts)

16. righties/repubs

are totally against something like that.

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Mon Jun 14, 2021, 08:13 PM

Star Member Mz Pip (26,273 posts)

31. Fine

They can stay home. I certainly won’t miss traveling around dumbass antivaxers.

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Mon Jun 14, 2021, 08:44 AM

Star Member DownriverDem (4,983 posts)

15. Oh boo

I live close to the border. So wanted to go over to Windsor Ontario for lunch.

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Mon Jun 14, 2021, 08:52 AM

Karma13612 (3,108 posts)

17. Darn!!!

We live in NY-21 along the St Lawrence River. We love (and miss) Ottawa and Montreal SO MUCH. They’re basically our only close centers of culture.

Patience! It’ll happen, just wish it would come in the good weather and not delay until like October.

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