Biden Hater's Banners That Town Called Obscene Can Stay Up, Court Rules

[Polybius]

Source: NY Times

A New Jersey woman can leave up several banners that use what local officials called an obscenity to express her hostility toward President Joe Biden, a state court ruled Tuesday.

The ruling came after the woman, Andrea Dick of Roselle Park, enlisted the American Civil Liberties Union of New Jersey to fight a municipal judge’s order that she take the banners off a fence outside the house where she lives with her mother or face $250 a day in fines.

After the civil liberties group joined the case, Roselle Park officials backpedaled on their earlier demand that Dick take down the banners and effectively dropped the matter.

“I feel amazing,” Dick, 54, said after the Superior Court of New Jersey dismissed the case, which was brought against her mother, Patricia Dilascio, who owns the home where the banners have hung since the Memorial Day weekend.

Read more: https://news.yahoo.com/biden-haters-banners-town-called-121119332.html

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[Midnight Writer]

1. If she got within 500 yards of a Trump property, she would be tackled by security.

[TheBlackAdder]

6. Andrea Dick -- It that like Andy Dick's sister if she were on a 2AM bender at the Waffle House?

[secondwind]

2. What a miserable looking pile of humanity.

[Trueblue1968]

4. What a miserable looking pile of anything.

[hlthe2b]

3. Like a neon sign announcing her utter and complete ignorance and hate-fueled attitude...

“It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt”

― Mark Twain



The same may go for what one displays...

[TheBlackAdder]

5. Gotta own it. If they play the "Fuck Biden" card, play the "Fuck Biden-Trump's Already Fucked!" card

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They do that to piss neighbors off. Neighbors have to turn that negative into a positive that will piss them off more.

They need to take that cray and kick it back into their faces.

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[WinstonSmith4740]

15. Exactly!

If it's her right to do this, then it's her neighbor's right to fly anti-Trump flags, or ones that say "You're an idiot" so it's what she sees every time she looks out her windows.

[TheBlackAdder]

18. Perhaps a nice topiary, but they'd probably spray it with plant killer.

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or place something that only looks like a middle finger from her house.

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[Sapient Donkey]

35. If her neighbors flew some obscene anti-trump flags a couple years ago before Biden and the American

people evicted him from the White House. I wonder if she would have been complaining about that to the city trying to get them to have it removed. I have a suspicion she might be the type to do that. She might even be the type to do it even today.

[brooklynite]

7. Good to hear...

If we want free speech, we have to give it to them.

[SomewhereInTheMiddle]

8. Agreed

Everyone has rights or no one does.

[hollygolively]

10. Agreed.

‘I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it’
-Voltaire

[2Gingersnaps]

26. Sadly true,

she is a walking example of why people agree to Homeowner associations.

[PatSeg]

17. Exactly

You can't legislate language in a free society, which means we have to put up with obscenities and vulgarity now and then. At least we can be grateful that we don't have to live with her.

[plimsoll]

21. That's true, but have you ever noticed that the ACLU only seems to win these cases

when it's the right having it's civil liberties infringed?

The right loves to attack the ACLU, but the ACLU has protected them, and done so more successfully than it's protected the left since the 1950s.

[marble falls]

23. Uninformed opinion?

https://www.aclu.org/aclu-accomplishments

Frankly I while I have problems with someone feeling empowered to hang "fuck" placards, it's about taste and common decency, not free speech. It's also obviously Constitutionally protected speech.

If I felt like doing the same with 45 signs, I'd do it.

A lot of the right winger issues you think are being served before left issues are being looked at too narrowly. A RWer having his free speech protected, protects my free speech, too.

You do know the ACLU wins most of their suits?

[plimsoll]

39. So I'm told.

And yes congress did blow Ollie Norths conviction, but they are not as successful in high profile cases for the left. Honestly during the 50's they did very little for the far left because they didn't want to be accused supporting communism.

They seem far more successful at giving the right something to complain about.

[GulfCoast66]

49. You obviously don't follow the ACLU much.

I’ve been a proud member for years.

They protect all Americans from government over reach. And more commonly that is people in marginalized groups.

[plimsoll]

53. I doubt we disagree conceptually.

However, you’re not convincing me I’m wrong. I agree with the intent and principles of the ACLU, but they have been very effective in insuring that anti civil liberties groups and individuals don’t have their civil liberties curtailed. From a purely ideological perspective that’s what they must do to be consistent, but on the whole you should ask if it’s effective in protecting civil liberties generally.

There are two reasons for the apparent greater effectiveness protecting right wing positions. The first may be entirely out of the ACLU’s control. The media reports it heavily. Why this is so I’m not sure, I have conjectures but no real answer. The effect however is to legitimize the right wing position. Irrespective of the actual intent, it now has the imprimatur of the ACLU, it must be OK. You and I can explain why this is wrong till the cows come home but it won’t matter, that is the perspective. The second the reason the ACLU may have some control over, that is funding. If a right wing position or individual is getting financial support from other sources, particularly anti-civil liberties sources there may not be a compelling reason for the ACLU to join in. As you state the ACLU is often protecting under represented voices, voices with right wing deep pocket support don’t really count as under represented in our “cash and carry” justice system.

I quit a long time ago, I should be the poster child for ACLU supporter, but I keep looking at the unintended consequences and asking myself “did we win?”

[GulfCoast66]

56. I've read you point of view and respectfully disagree.

It always makes big news when they support a group that does not match their normal leanings because it is so seldom those groups are discriminated against.

I would not support them if the were fine with government trampling the rights of people I disagree with.

But honorable people can disagree.

[plimsoll]

57. Fair enough

I would not support them if the were fine with government trampling the rights of people I disagree with.

Nor would I, and my objection would be more than "There are unintended consequences."

[Orrex]

22. I concur

I would certainly never want to miss an opportunity to declare that Trump can go fuck himself.

[reACTIONary]

30. +100 nt

[movingviolation]

9. She radiates blind hate, so bright, I gotta wear shades.

I bet she's real fun at family reunion parties!

[NoMoreRepugs]

11. Yet another t-RUMP calendar girl.

[NurseJackie]

12. She's purty. (Modeling the latest from the "chip-on-your-shoulder" collection.)

[bucolic_frolic]

14. Should trade in her gold

on plastic surgery

[bucolic_frolic]

13. This country must decide if obscenity means anything in the law nowadays

if not we can all just curse all the time, in public, and teach our kids to curse, and nuns and preachers and doctors and lawyers and we're all just a bleepin' bleepin' bleepin' pile of no good bleepin' horseshit, don't you think, your Honor?

[PJMcK]

16. Classy dame

Aptly named, too.

[Harker]

19. Some people take great joy in annoying others.

I don't quite understand it.

Must be the best they have going for them.

Sad.

[2Gingersnaps]

27. I just read a great article in Mother Jones on anger in America,

yep, it is FOX entertainment channel and that long held "own the libs" desire. That feeding of the old grievance culture. She looks like a ray of sunshine.

[Harker]

29. It's awful, and senseless.

I'm glad I don't spend time with a tv.

[maxrandb]

20. 54, living in moms basement, full of hate and ignorance

in other words, a typical Donnie Dipshit ass-kisser

What's the female equivolent of an "incel"?

[TexasBushwhacker]

59. An old 54 at that

Mom may require care though.

[COL Mustard]

24. What A Dick.

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

[Mr.Bill]

25. Where can I get my

Fuck Andrea Dick flag?

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

28. I'm all for Freedom of Speech, but sheese, choice of expression can violate community standards! n/t

[reACTIONary]

31. Fuck community standards. nt.

[reACTIONary]

32. The source is the Washington Examiner, not....

.... the New York Times. FYI, the Washington Examiner is a right wing rag. That said, the article itself is pretty much straight up reporting.

[Sapient Donkey]

33. I think this is a good ruling.

It's about what she is saying, but her right to say it. I don't view fining her to be much different than that Sheriff in some Texas county that said some person's "Fuck Trump and Fuck You For Voting For Him" sticker was illegal. I don't see how I could be against the Texas sheriff, but support the town in fining this lady. I also don't see how someone could against the town fining this lady, but totally in favor of the Texas sheriff.... Although, I bet this lady thought the Texas sheriff was 100% right in his attempts to go after the "Fuck Trump" person.

[AllaN01Bear]

34. os, if i put up a i hate the tfg awc , will i be forced to take it down and would i loose my day in

court?
i think so.evry thing is for them.

[getagrip_already]

36. ok, so hang a sign that says....

Fuck tRump Girls from behind with someone else's Dick......

Hey, nothing wrong with that, right? (I actually agree with the aclu but think this would be a valid counterpoint).

Yes, it's wrong and violent in nature. I'm being sarcastic here.

[JohnnyRingo]

37. Clearly, that's fine.

Trumpers would go nuts.

[Karadeniz]

38. If she yelled her opinion with obscenities in my face, wouldn't she be harassing me? Signs with

Obscenity, demeaning someone, sounds like harassment to the public to me.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

45. No, not even close.

Supreme Court ruled long ago that cussing in public is protected speech.

[GulfCoast66]

50. Fuck no!

40 years ago The Clash, a band I love had a song that stated ‘he who fucks nuns will later join the church’. I’m glad it was not banned although many wanted to. It helped me start thinking.

The government has no business censoring our speech. Or the signs we put up.

[Skittles]

40. she looks like a happy person

[Darkstar53142]

41. That's a woman?

Wow!

[BlueStater]

42. "Trump girl" 🤮

You’re not that scumbag’s type, lady. He generally prefers young. Have some fucking self-respect.

[Polybius]

46. He prefers attractive too

And that she is not.

[JI7]

43. I wonder what an average day for her is like

and what kind of thoughts she has throughout the day. Becsuse she looks like she spends most of her time being miserable and angry.

[BradAllison]

44. A miserable, hateful hag.

Look at how fucking angry she is, fuck her life.

[twodogsbarking]

47. We have one down the street.

When I ask people his name they launch into a rant about "that idiot".

Heretofore know as "the idiot".

[Woodwizard]

48. Thats fine.

I like to know where the nuts are in town we still have trump flags up faded and mangy looking.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

52. You want to burn her flags and signs?

Why? Because it has a message that you don't like?
You're suggesting someone commit arson?
You would violate her 1st Amendment right because it violates YOUR sense of decency?

[sarisataka]

54. Are you suggesting terrorism? Nt

[madville]

55. The 1st Amendment is an awesome thing

Some people obviously don't understand it means freedom of speech for all. Glad to see the ACLU step in to make the government back off.