China vows no concessions on Taiwan after Biden comments

[Omaha Steve]

Source: AP

BEIJING (AP) — China on Friday said there is “no room” for compromise or concessions over the issue of Taiwan, following a comment by U.S. President Joe Biden that the U.S. is committed to defending the island if it is attacked.

Foreign Ministry spokesperson Wang Wenbin reasserted China’s longstanding claim that the island is its territory at a daily briefing after Biden made his comment a day before at a forum hosted by CNN.

China has recently upped its threat to bring Taiwan under its control by force if necessary by flying warplanes near the island and rehearsing beach landings.

“When it comes to issues related to China’s sovereignty and territorial integrity and other core interests, there is no room for China to compromise or make concessions, and no one should underestimate the strong determination, firm will and strong ability of the Chinese people to defend national sovereignty and territorial integrity,” Wang said.



President Joe Biden participates in a CNN town hall at the Baltimore Center Stage Pearlstone Theater, Thursday, Oct. 21, 2021, in Baltimore, with moderator Anderson Cooper. China on Friday, Oct. 22, said there is “no room” for compromise or concessions over the issue of Taiwan, following a comment by U.S. President Biden that the U.S. is committed to defending the island if it is attacked. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)


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[JohnSJ]

1. There may be "no room for concessions", by Xi, but it is very unlikely China will initiate an

unprovoked invasion of Taiwan, because they are well aware what will happen if they did that.

[LymphocyteLover]

2. Yes, "no room for concessions" is meaningless here, but seriously, China's approach

to Taiwan is simply appalling and shows what a dangerous hegemonic regime runs China.

[JohnSJ]

4. Xi is terrible

[IronLionZion]

3. Tell that to Russia

who totally invaded and took land from Ukraine already.

[JohnSJ]

5. Not the same at all. The relationship with Taiwan has been since WWII, and the US has a

mutual defense treaty with Taiwan.

Also, Crimea has an ethnic Russian majority of about 60%, which complicates things, and make it different than Taiwan

[ancianita]

8. True. But is he really going to have the US fight for the Taiwanese?

[Devil Child]

14. Yes and a mission that deserves support.

China can always do the right thing and dissolve its government and surrender to Taiwan.

[ancianita]

15. Why does it have to be one owning the other? Why can't they coexist as separate Asian nations?

The reality is that they seem to have put up with each other. China has repeatedly saber rattled since WWII, has not invaded, but somehow this time is different because the weaponry gets more powerful?

[Devil Child]

18. Ask China

Taiwan is content to exist independently. China is the one having a spastic fit and threatening/bullying anyone who opposes. China is the enemy.

And yes to you last sentence. China feels emboldened with new toys and the short attention span of Western nations. If they see a moment of strategic opportunity with Taiwan they will seize it.

[former9thward]

30. The U.S. will not fight for Taiwan.

And China knows it. Our days of fighting losing wars in Asia are over.

[MichMan]

32. That isn't what the President just said

[JohnSJ]

16. If China actually invaded Taiwan, yes. That being said it won't happen. Taiwan may actually vote

to be incorporated into China eventually.

Not the same thing, but if North Korea did an invasion is South Korea, we would also be right there

Of course if trump or someone like him became president, everything is off the table

[EndlessWire]

21. I just disagree

I think that the 60% is just an excuse for what Russia did. They wanted Crimea strategically, they took it, and that's that. They don't care about the people, any more than Xi does. When we applied sanctions for it, the Orange Turd did everything he could to get rid of them on behalf of his buddy, Putin.

I don't think we plan on sanctions against China, though. I think Xi knows it, and he may wait until 2024 to see if Dumpy Trumpy gets back in power to be his chump again. Meanwhile, it seems to me that some sort of defensive prep is underway here.

Without us and our trade, China would be nothing. Bill Clinton enabled China to prosper, and under normal circumstances, this would have been okay, but nooo...never goes unpunished. I'm on the West Coast and figure at some point I'm dead. I still think we should defend Taiwan, because all those other islands are at risk, too. Xi wants to eff with us over who owns the South China Sea? Eff him. "President For Life" Xi must know we will fight.

[JohnSJ]

26. I respectfully disagree, and your assessment that China would be nothing without us is not

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Not correct, and if you have ever been to China that should be quite obvious

Also, it was Nixon that opened the door with China which had been closed since 1949, and every subsequent administration since Nixon furthered that relationship with trade, cultural exchange, and opening the doors to business

We don’t have a defense pact with Ukraine like we do Taiwan, and that is why President Biden said at last nights town hall without hesitation that we would defend Taiwan if China invaded, which it is unlikely to happen.

The only way it might happen sometime in the future is in a non-military way, but only if Taiwan agreed to such an arrangement

[EndlessWire]

33. Nixon may have visited China

but he did not facilitate trade in the way Clinton did. Clinton pushed our Congress to approve the United States-China Relations Act of 2000, and to grant PNTR, or permanent normal trade relations with China. Our government gave China permanent MFN status (Most Favored Nation) in 2001. This enabled China to join the WTO in 2001. China apparently didn't live completely up to the agreements, and we lost millions of jobs to the rising trade deficit. So, no good deed goes unpunished. And no, I've never been to China, but I can read.

How many jet sorties did they make threatening Taiwan? I surely won't mind if they fail to live up to President For Life Xi's bloated rhetoric, but I would keep a watchful eye to see if maybe they just might favor those boat landings they are practicing. Keeps life exciting, doesn't it? You really can't be sure of anything, can you?

[JohnSJ]

34. In 1979 the US and China signed a bilateral trade agreement which was the start of a rapid

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Growth of trade between the US and China, from 4 billion in 1979, and steadily growing to hundreds of billions, and became our largest trade partner

Also, my previous post was truncated on the mobile phone I was writing on, and should have said:

“Your assessment that China would be nothing without us is not correct”

That is why I made the comment that if you have never been to China, it is obvious that is not the case. They are quite self-sufficient, as they should be, and so should we.

My point be was that nothing was going to stop trade with China no matter who was president, and it was more than just us, the world was involved.

That is why when Carter did the grain embargo against Russia in response to their invasion of Afghanistan, was a complete failure, and the ones it hurt were US farmers. It had minimal effect on Russia because they were able to offset it from other sources, namely South America, Ukraine, etc., where the crops were cheaper than the US

In fact I would argue that it hurt Carter in the 1980 election in the farm belt. Of course his deregulation of the airlines, and the Iran hostage crisis did not help, along with the possible allegation that the reagan team had interfered “secretly” with Iran not to release the hostages until after the election, and they would be rewarded accordingly. Though those allegations were never proven, what happened with the Iran Contra affair should have been more than sufficient to have Reagan impeached

Obama pushed for the TPP to actually be a force against China’s trade leverage, but some Democrats didn’t want it, and trump insured the US would not be part of it. Nor surprisingly China, which was once exiled by the US as part of the TPP agreement, is now trying to be part of it

Isolationism and trade wars have never been a winning strategy, and those were part of trumps policy, and has made the economic situation from the pandemic far worse then it had to be

[Devil Child]

6. That is a highly optimistic outlook

That I cannot share due to China’s actions.

[turbinetree]

7. Xi had in place an agreement with the Brits on Hong Kong, look at his word now it means shit

literally he's just a lying POS....another in a long line of megalomaniacs....with their world domination crap racing through that brain.....

[Javaman]

9. Why isn't or hasn't ever been a "NATO" for the pacific?

PTO. maybe not a good acronym (paid time off LOL)

but something better

[Devil Child]

11. There is now. AUKUS

We are in it, you should look it up. Biden is correctly shifting the strategic focus to the true enemy of China.

[Javaman]

12. dang, I'm surprised at myself for never knowing that. Thanks for the info!

I will most definitely read up on that.

[Devil Child]

13. Relatively recent and major development

Involves the nuclear sub deal for Australia and more. Sorry can’t share some links due to phone. Exciting stuff.

[Javaman]

22. it is interesting for sure.

it would be amazing if other nations were added: Japan, S. Korea and one or more nations from SE Asia.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

28. There was. Ever hear of SEATO? Southeast Asia Treaty Organization.

https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ho/time/lw/88315.htm

[Calista241]

10. If China is ever going to attack Taiwan,

now is the time. Our Navy is the weakest it's been since the end of WW2. The coming years will see massive investment come to fruition in Naval capability. Starting in the late 2020's and early 2030's, our capabilities will be much, much greater.

2049 is the 100 year anniversary of the Chinese Communist Party coming to power, and many believe that's the date that China internally expects to have full integration completed with Taiwan.

[Steelrolled]

17. I hope President Biden tones it down.

The rest of the world can take the lead regarding China and Taiwan, we can follow.

[Devil Child]

19. I hope he dials it up and provides leadership for the rest of the world against China

Your entire tech based life depends on trade from Taiwan. China knows this and will aggressively move to annex this capability.

[Steelrolled]

20. We depend on China even more so.

I don't see a Chinese takeover of Taiwan (which seems unlikely unless we do something stupid to provoke it) as changing much regarding trade.

Independently of the China-Taiwan issue, we need to move more critical manufacturing on-shore.

[EndlessWire]

23. Power corrupts.

Xi is talking war. If China took Taiwan, there would be Trouble. Everything you buy is from China, if not in whole than in part. We need to shift everything back to our shores, but it is hard to find "Made in America" goods; that's over money and labor, I think, and that's not likely to change.

China once said fairly recently that it OWNS everything that the South China Sea laps up to. Well, it can't own Japan...if Taiwan is swallowed up by communist China, then they will cast eyes at Japan. Maybe not right away, but sooner or later. They think those artificial islands entitle them.

[Steelrolled]

24. I am hoping Biden and future governments

do some combination of carrot and stick for more domestic production. Of course some is highly automated anyway. And we could do trade security deals with other friendly nations, to reduce dependence on China.

I think China would fear this kind of development much more than the Taiwan.

[Igel]

29. To the south of Japan is

the East China Sea.

Taiwan, Vietnam, China, Philippines bound it. It's southern limit is a bit fuzzy, IMHO.

I suspect Xi-Ra didn't mean Vietnam and the Philippines (although I'm sure they could gin up a reason for Vietnam), but the Philippines are right out. Not necessarily all the small bits of less-wet ground sticking up above the waves at low tide.


Not that the Western media would notice. Listened to a report today that utterly missed a Big Point. Coal production's up in the US (evil! shame!)

That's because there's a coal supply shortage, and China, esp., needs to buy coal. After all, it's ramping up output after the pandemic.

Unmentioned: The Great Xi-la is playing hardball with Australia, a former large exporter of coal into China, because Australia dared to stand up to China. It's better to let power plants sit idle, with rolling blackouts and closed factories, than buy from a country that dared to say, "China--you interfered in our elections, you interfered in New Zealand's, you're being a bully." Response: "Keep your coal, welcome to economic hardship." At the expense of its own population, which knows pretty much nothing about the real reason. (Much like the US population, if they listen to NPR.)

[AZLD4Candidate]

25. "No one should underestimate the strong determination, firm will and strong ability of the Chinese

Chinese people to defend national sovereignty and territorial integrity,” Wang said.

Except those that drink the CCP kool aid, 90% of the Chinese people don't care. But it's nice the CCP hide behind the people when they couldn't give a tinker's damn about most of the Chinese people. Quaint too. And complete BS to the highest odor.

The CCP has backed themselves into a corner and it would be a complete loss of face if they backed down, which is all they care about.

I said it for years in China: Mian zi will eventually destroy the CCP.

[marie999]

27. How can we protect Taiwan when we don't even recognize it as a country.

If it isn't it a country isn't it still part of China?

[soryang]

31. Who's zoomin who?

(Source- USNI Oct. 4) US aircraft carriers Vinson and Reagan with HMS Queen Elizabeth, and the Japanese small carrier Ise. Taiwan News reported these ships operating north of Taiwan, October 3 and 4, with 13 other allied warships.

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4306367

This task force could readily fly 200 sorties a day at an operational tempo. Did they? The presence of this fleet wasn't even reported for a few days while the western press crowed about an alleged Chinese "incursion" of 159 flights over two days.

This naval battle group basically represents the same turn of the century alliance that carved up Asia and the Pacific for colonial exploitation. Ultimately it resulted in WWII, when Japan decided it could take it all. China isn't going to be intimidated by this kind of gunboat diplomacy on its front porch. Reporting referring to PLAAF air ops in international airspace as "incursions" is ridiculously biased. Austin basically had it right:

Asked Friday whether the U.S. would defend Taiwan if the island were attacked by China, U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told a reporter he would not discuss hypothetical situations, but also said, “Nobody wants to see cross-Strait issues come to blows -– certainly not President Biden, and there’s no reason that it should.” Speaking in Brussels after a NATO defense ministers’ meeting, Austin added that Washington remains committed to its longstanding “one China” policy.