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Mr. Sparkle

(2,935 posts)
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 07:14 AM Nov 2021

US Navy sacks commanding officers of crashed submarine

Source: BBC



The US Navy has sacked three top crew members aboard a nuclear submarine that crashed into an underwater mountain. Commander Cameron Aljilani and two others were removed after an investigation into the incident in the disputed South China Sea. The USS Connecticut struck the object last month, forcing the vessel to come to the surface for a week and sail to the US territory of Guam. Navy officials say the crew members "could have prevented" the collision.

Last week, the navy said the submarine had hit an uncharted "seamount" while patrolling below the surface. A seamount is a mountain that rises from the ocean floor. Fifteen sailors suffered minor injuries. The submarine is currently being checked for damage at Guam in the Pacific before it returns to Washington for repairs. The incident happened amid rising tensions in the region.

US Navy officials have yet to explain how the vessel hit the seamount. Ryan Ramsey, a former British Royal Navy submarine captain, said he was shocked by the collision, which is relatively rare. "The USS Connecticut is a very modern submarine - so it's kind of surprising," he told the BBC. "But if you relax at any point, then things can happen."

Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59175396

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US Navy sacks commanding officers of crashed submarine (Original Post) Mr. Sparkle Nov 2021 OP
Moral of the story: Don't go around crashing into undersea mountains Champp Nov 2021 #1
It's A Big Ocean COL Mustard Nov 2021 #5
I'm guessing they were sacked ... left-of-center2012 Nov 2021 #2
And the fact that this boat was possibly carrying nuclear torpedos, and was carrying a ... marble falls Nov 2021 #3
they were sacked because they screwed up and found out.... getagrip_already Nov 2021 #6
Okie dokie left-of-center2012 Nov 2021 #7
Plus, the who knows how many millions the repairs will cost RAB910 Nov 2021 #9
About SSN-22 USS Conneticut: marble falls Nov 2021 #4
Seems odd, not only that the sub was attacked by a polar bear, 70sEraVet Nov 2021 #10
Navy logs are detailed and archieved. marble falls Nov 2021 #11
I wonder if there is video of that Sapient Donkey Nov 2021 #18
I can just see it... jmowreader Nov 2021 #19
Embarrassing. They deserve to get the sack. Pepsidog Nov 2021 #8
Lots of uncharted undersea territory in that region. LastDemocratInSC Nov 2021 #12
Is submarining the most boring job in any military? Or more boring ship cruising...? Alexander Of Assyria Nov 2021 #13
I don't think they think so jgmiller Nov 2021 #17
Boring 99% of the time... Shipwack Nov 2021 #20
I've seen the post crash pictures, it took out the entire sensor nose bubble. nt yaesu Nov 2021 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author jgmiller Nov 2021 #15
As soon as they felt the impact they knew Bobstandard Nov 2021 #16
This is the Navy's official statement jmowreader Nov 2021 #21
Sounds like an attentive passive sonar operator Ghost Dog Nov 2021 #25
XO and COB got the ax also EX500rider Nov 2021 #22
SOP relayerbob Nov 2021 #23
What is up with the Navy?We just saw the Bonhomme Richard go up in smoke due to cascade of failures. Irish_Dem Nov 2021 #24

marble falls

(57,114 posts)
3. And the fact that this boat was possibly carrying nuclear torpedos, and was carrying a ...
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 07:57 AM
Nov 2021

... nuclear reactor.

getagrip_already

(14,767 posts)
6. they were sacked because they screwed up and found out....
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 08:57 AM
Nov 2021

There is a zero tolerance policy for command level errors of any magnitude. Once confidence is lost, your career is over.

marble falls

(57,114 posts)
4. About SSN-22 USS Conneticut:
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 08:05 AM
Nov 2021

USS Connecticut (SSN-22)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Connecticut_(SSN-22)



History
United States
Name USS Connecticut
Namesake The U.S. State of Connecticut
Ordered 3 May 1991
Builder General Dynamics Electric Boat
Laid down 14 September 1992
Launched 1 September 1997
Commissioned 11 December 1998
Homeport Kitsap Naval Base, Bremerton, Washington
Motto "Arsenal of the Nation"
Status in active service
Badge USS Connecticut (SSN-22) crest.png
General characteristics
Class and type Seawolf-class submarine
Displacement 7,568 tons light, 9,137 tons full, 1,569 tons dead
Length 107.5 meters (353 feet) overall, 107.5 meters (353 feet) waterline
Beam 12.1 meters (40 feet)
Draft 10.9 meters (36 feet)
Propulsion

1 S6W PWR 57,000 shp (43 MW), HEU 93.5%[1][2]
1 secondary propulsion submerged motor
1 shaft
1 pump-jet propeller

Complement 15 officers, 101 men
Armament Eight 26-inch torpedo tubes, 40 torpedoes and missiles, or 100 mines

USS Connecticut (SSN-22) is a Seawolf-class nuclear powered fast attack submarine operated by the United States Navy. Connecticut is the fifth active United States Ship to be named for the U.S. state of Connecticut, going back to 1776. The contract to build her was awarded to the Electric Boat Division of General Dynamics Corporation in Groton, Connecticut on 3 May 1991 and her keel was laid down on 14 September 1992. She was launched on 1 September 1997 sponsored by Patricia L. Rowland, wife of the Governor of Connecticut, John G. Rowland, and commissioned on 11 December 1998.
History

1999 was spent conducting shakedown operations that evaluated Connecticut's weapons systems, sensors, stealth and engineering proficiency. She participated in Joint Task Force Exercise 2-99 as an opposing force asset, and completed acoustic trials, a shallow water exercise, and an anti-submarine warfare exercise.

In September 1999 Connecticut began a Post-Shakedown Availability (PSA) at the Electric Boat shipyard. Despite 100 percent growth in the amount of PSA work, making this the submarine force's most demanding PSA, Connecticut completed all work ahead of schedule. Additionally, this PSA concluded as the safest in the 100-year history of Electric Boat.

In April 2003, Connecticut surfaced through the Arctic ice at the University of Washington's Applied Physics Laboratory Ice Station (APLIS). While there, she came under attack by a polar bear, which gnawed on her rudder for a while before disengaging.[3]
Connecticut breaks polar ice and is encountered by a polar bear.

On 31 March 2004 Connecticut put to sea in support of the War on Terrorism as part of the Wasp Expeditionary Strike Group (ESG), returning to NSB New London on 2 September with a pierside band blasting Thin Lizzy's "The Boys Are Back in Town". For the next three years, Connecticut was largely confined to port as she underwent a prolonged maintenance cycle.

In early 2007, it was announced that Connecticut would be transferred to Naval Base Kitsap-Bremerton, in Washington's Puget Sound, following a six-month deployment commencing on 25 July 2007.[4] She would be the last of the Navy's three Seawolf-class submarines to be transferred from New London to Kitsap as part of a larger U.S. Navy realignment shifting 60 percent of the fleet's submarines to the Pacific.[5][6] Upon arrival at Kitsap on 30 January 2008, Connecticut joined her Seawolf sisters in Submarine Development Squadron Five.[3][7]
Connecticut surfaced for ICEX 2019

In early 2011, Connecticut participated in ICEX 2011 in order to "train today’s submarines in the challenging Arctic environment", as well as "refine and validate procedures and required equipment."[8]

Connecticut received extensive overhauls from 2012 to 2017. She returned to operation in early 2018 and participated in the Arctic ICEX 2018 operational readiness exercise.[9] She later that year deployed to the western Pacific before returning on 30 January 2019.[10]

From 26 March through 19 August 2019, Connecticut underwent maintenance and modernizing in a drydock at Puget Sound Naval Shipyard.[11] The US$17 million project involved 30,000 worker days and included use of a hull-climbing robot to inspect the ship's hull.[11][12]

The Navy plans to extend a submarine pier to moor Connecticut and USS Seawolf together with USS Jimmy Carter at Naval Submarine Base Bangor.[13]

On 2 October 2021, Connecticut was damaged after she collided with a seamount[14] while maneuvering in the South China Sea.[15] About eleven sailors were injured, though none were reported to be life threatening, and the submarine's propulsion system and nuclear reactor were said to be operating normally.[16] After an investigation, the commanding officer, his executive officer, and the chief of the boat were all relieved of duty.[17]

70sEraVet

(3,504 posts)
10. Seems odd, not only that the sub was attacked by a polar bear,
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 09:43 AM
Nov 2021

but that the incident found its way into an official report!

jmowreader

(50,560 posts)
19. I can just see it...
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 02:20 PM
Nov 2021

“Captain! We’re under attack by a polar bear. What do we do?”
“We lock the hatches and wait until he gets bored. He can’t eat the whole boat.”
“Is that all?”
“Yeah. You going to go out and talk to him?”

LastDemocratInSC

(3,647 posts)
12. Lots of uncharted undersea territory in that region.
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 10:26 AM
Nov 2021

And the seamounts can move due to seismic activity. Using active sonar for navigation in that region could cause a crisis because the Chinese also have subs there.

It's a dangerous place for undersea operations.

The sacking of a ship's leadership is expected after any collision, however, especially a collision with a land mass.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
13. Is submarining the most boring job in any military? Or more boring ship cruising...?
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 11:24 AM
Nov 2021

Can you imagine the sonar guy falling asleep at the wheel and missing a…mountain?

jgmiller

(395 posts)
17. I don't think they think so
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 12:27 PM
Nov 2021

Sailing around under a 1000 feet or more of water at a pressure that would kill you instantly and with no easy way to see anything wouldn't exactly be boring. Insanely pressure filled sounds more like it.

Shipwack

(2,165 posts)
20. Boring 99% of the time...
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 02:33 PM
Nov 2021

...Terror 1% of the time, though during the actual terrifying incidents you are too busy trying to get things right again to be scared. It's only after the fact you go,"Holy $#*@! That just happened!".

In my twenty years in the submarine service, officer stupidity almost killed us twice, and it was enlisted training that saved us.

There are days that I wish I could go back there, but that's only because time has blurred all the stupid crap I had to deal with... Lol

As for the sonar guy missing the mountain, my guess is that there were multiple mistakes and bad decisions contributing to the accident. No one person can be blamed, but ultimately it's the Captain's responsibility so he gets the blame. That's why he gets the big bucks and all that power...

Response to yaesu (Reply #14)

jmowreader

(50,560 posts)
21. This is the Navy's official statement
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 02:36 PM
Nov 2021
https://news.usni.org/2021/11/04/uss-connecticut-co-xo-cob-relieved-over-collision-in-south-china-sea-due-to-lose-of-confidence

Apparently “adherence to required procedures in navigation” would have kept them from hitting a mountain no one knew was there. The real reason he got canned was “fuck up once and you’re gone.”

I don’t think I would want to command a submarine. A nice destroyer would be much more to my liking…at least you can see where you’re going.
 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
25. Sounds like an attentive passive sonar operator
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 09:27 AM
Nov 2021

should have been able to detect signs of the presence of a seamount - from the change in water flow around it?

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
22. XO and COB got the ax also
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 02:39 PM
Nov 2021

The commander, executive officer and senior enlisted sailor for attack submarine USS Connecticut (SSN-22) have been fired following the results of an investigation into the Oct. 2 underwater collision in the South China Sea, the Navy announced on Thursday.
The reliefs are “due to loss of confidence. Thomas determined sound judgement, prudent decision-making, and adherence to required procedures in navigation planning, watch team execution and risk management could have prevented the incident,” reads a statement from the Navy.
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